THE SALA MYTH : Dalman is being Dalman ….in causing conf

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

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If we have/had zero chance of winning then a judge will give a summary judgment against us throwing out the case before there is even a full hearing.

To my knowledge that hasn’t happened in any of the cases so far. So the claim we have “zero chance” of winning is factually wrong.

That doesn’t mean we will win any, but it does mean we have an defence that has some merit.

I still say we should pay at least what is currently due now, then carry on pursuing any other parties in separate claims.

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

Dalman/Tan should just be honest and tell us where we stand. If the embargo is going to stay then so be it, at least we/Hudson know where we stand.

Trying to hide things doesn’t help anyone and gives people a chance to speculate.


I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

Surprisingly I agree with you on this !!

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

They did say yesterday, they said they didn't know and are waiting fir clarification this week .

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

They did say yesterday, they said they didn't know and are waiting fir clarification this week .

Wez, for weeks theyve known about these embargo's they tried to pull the wool over our eyes.

They shall i say Boris Johnson flanneling us.

They will have had the top lawyers on this a month ago.

And asked All the questions.

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

Thanks Annis, however if indeed this is another issue then surely under the freedom of information act then the EFL must publish the grounds for implementing an embargo.

As far as I can see we are listed on embargo with EFL under rule 52.2.3 which relates to late payment of transfer fees so it would appear that it is a mirror embargo as per the rule listed on EFL website as below:

EFL extract
52 Fees Payable on Appearances etc.

52.1 A Transferor Club shall within seven days of the date of such transfer provide to any previous Club(s) (and or Premier League Club(s)) with which that Player was registered and which has a right to a Sell-On Fee as part of the Transfer Fee or Compensation Fee in respect of any transfer of that Player (in this Regulation the ‘Previous Club(s)’) full details of all amounts paid or due to be paid to the Transferor Club. A Previous Club shall not at any time disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly any information provided to it to any third party without the 83 prior written consent of the Transferor Club save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to its auditor.

52.2 Unless stated to the contrary, a sell on clause in an agreement between a Transferor Club and Transferee Club (Member Clubs only, and not any other clubs) entered into after the 1 July 2015 shall be construed in such a manner as to ensure that any Loan Fees received by that Transferee Club shall be included in the amounts received (or equivalent provision) for the purposes of calculating the amounts due to the Transferor Club under the sell on clause (if any). Guidance The EFL has issued separate guidance on the wording of sell on clauses. Please refer to the Player Administration section of the Club Portal for copies of the latest guidance. However, in summary Clubs are reminded that any Sell-On Fee contained within a Financial Agreement will be calculated on the basis that the excess is split based on taking the percentage of the surplus and paying it to the third party in line with the proportion of the payment received by the selling club. Clubs are free to negotiate an alternative Sell-On Fee arrangement (for example, the third party club receiving their Sell-On Fee in full on transfer or the selling club recouping their monies prior to the third party club receiving any of their monies).

52.3 Where, on the transfer of a Player, provision is made for the payment of further sums on the happening of certain specified events (e.g. after the Player has made a certain number of First Team appearances) it shall be the duty of the Transferee Club to inform both The League and the Transferor Club that the specified events have happened. Unless otherwise specified in the written agreement between the two Clubs, the Transferee Club shall pay to The League within 14 days of the specified events happening the sums of money then due both to the Transferor Club and to The League. Any such payment cannot be deferred beyond 31 July following the end of the Season in which the event happens. The League shall forthwith on receipt of such sums pay the amount due to the Transferor Club. Guidance. The EFL can only apply fines for late payment and/or apply embargo to a defaulting club (see Regulations 51.2.3 & 51.6), if Clubs send copies of all invoices to The League. All such invoices should be sent to playeradmin@efl.com.

52.4 In the case of an International Transfer the Transferee Club shall inform the Transferor Club in writing that the specified events have happened and within 14 days pay such sums due in accordance with Regulation 51.2.8.

Question to Annis or indeed any else with information !
Is the EFL embargo a separate and additional issue to the Sala issue or is the EFL just mirroring the FIFA embargo by enforcing it on the domestic scene?

I believe (not 100% certain) that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo, from what I understand .

What is doing my head in is ….why doesn’t the Club or Dalman yesterday tell us exactly what is happening , why it happened and how can we get out of it and what can we do in this window ?

Has anyone ever seen the Sala contract, whilst accepting any football business always seems strange and different to the real world there has to be a basic premise to the Sala contract, it needed to be “performed” by all parties, us, Nantes and probably Sala the “product” and also it would need to be “fair”. Any registration would be supplementary and would not indicate legal ownership, the DVLA is at pains to say the the registered keeper of a vehicle does not prove ownership, loads of players are registered with clubs that do not own them. Speaking, of course, with no insight, the primary requirement for any sale contract to become legally binding is the “financial consideration” I.e. payment before title is released. It is reasonable to assume that Nantes would retain title until all or an agreed amount of funds had been paid.

Disappointingly the subtext is the 13 years that messers Tan, Dalman & Choo, have run our club with absent casualness, their lack of time and attention resulting in situations that should never have occurred if they’d given our club the love and attention it needed and deserved, cases in point was the loss of Malky, our best ever manager, although Mr Tan was prepared to spend millions to honour his injured pride and also why was Sala allowed to return to Nantes, at a time when we were fighting for Premiership survival, surely it could of waited till the end of the season, responsibly and culpability for that is an issue that no doubt will raise its head in the future.

All said, so much time has passed and we can’t ignore the arrogant casualness exhibited by our board, Mr. Tan, do nothing and we’re seriously in danger of being relegated, the playing staff can’t be happy with this and bar a few, I’ve never seen our supporters so deflated, angry and in no small way sad.

Make no mistake to Mr Tan £5million is no hardship, he’s a very senior gentlemen, all his family are exceedingly rich, they have no need of his money, you can knock 4 noughts off the amount to see the real affect it will have on a man who has enough money to last a 1000 lifetimes.

Anyway, what price honour? It’s time to do the right thing.

Owners should be punished not the club, it is unfair for clubs and their fans to have to suffer due to the incompetency of its owners. They should be fined. Are they going to pay up on Wednesday....suppose we will have to wait and see

Owners should be punished not the club, it is unfair for clubs and their fans to have to suffer due to the incompetency of its owners. They should be fined. Are they going to pay up on Wednesday....suppose we will have to wait and see

The Smoke and mirrors policy from the Chairman only further muddies the waters. We need factual statements on what has happened, what has been done (if anything) and how are they actually going sort it out, in other words THE TRUTH until that point there will always be accusations of slease and wrong-doing COME CLEAN ON IT and be judged accordingly

I will tell you what was weird CCFC Liason officer was at Cardiff airport waiting for Emiliano Sala and it was Sala himself who decided to go on this plane arranged by the agents son who actually was our employee? interesting

The communication is ridiculously bad but the club seem to be fine with it being that way.

Season tickets will be on sale soon. They won't have any issues with communicating that information

Not being funny Annis but I'd be careful saying he was out player. I can see us losing case against the insurance company, then I wouldn't put it past this board to sue the fans for claiming he was one of our own.

Not being funny Annis but I'd be careful saying he was out player. I can see us losing case against the insurance company, then I wouldn't put it past this board to sue the fans for claiming he was one of our own.

I can see what your saying about this current Regime, well 3 different Courts have all said he was our player and we owe FC Nantes.

I can see they are trying to out the blame on everyone else but themselves and in my opinion if three courts says you have to pay , then you have to pay , that’s why we have two Transfer Embargo’s on our club

To everyone on here it doesn't matter one jot, what you ,I or anyone thinks about which club Sala belonged to and that includes Dalman.

(The latest clutching at straws statement being he wasn't registered with pfa! , as if that makes any difference.Added to the brilliant policy of he's not our player but we're going to sue the insurance company for not insuring him as if he was. You couldn't make it up.)

Three courts have decided that he was our player, end of. Indeed the only people that would want to pursue this would be our lawyers to collect more fees pursuing further pointless litigation.
Anyone else with a business brain would say we've had a go at litigation been unsuccessful now we need to settle it.End of!

That is the whole point NO ONE can now say he was not our player which opens up a whole new legal situation, re, selling club, selling agents, insurance companies, aircraft owners etc etc I could go on ......BIGGER PICTURE.

That is the whole point NO ONE can now say he was not our player which opens up a whole new legal situation, re, selling club, selling agents, insurance companies, aircraft owners etc etc I could go on ......BIGGER PICTURE.

Correct, Jules; which is why (from our side) the club (nee Vincent Tan) can no longer hold back payment to FC Nantes with any real integrity

Whether we can claw some/most/all of that back from them, their Agent(s) and/or other potentially liable parties is another matter and one Tan must follow, if he genuinely believes he can achieve it (a matter for him and his legal team)

It will keep this forum going as I believe this is bouncing around for years.