CCFC FANS MEETING TOMORROW / SO PLEASE

So looks like a news blackout on todays meeting

So looks like a news blackout on todays meeting

Waiting as it was restricted to the chosen few, totally wrong

They're called "fans representatives" but don't involve other fans in the process, so which fans do they actually represent?

Or are they just representatives of the club, echoing what the board wants the fans to believe?

Who was invited anyway, who are the chosen ones ?

Apparently we are now paying Nantes, do cost us £20mill

Ridiculous that long standing season ticket holders, shareholders have no invite.
Who do the people who were invited actually represent, especially given there is no news.

Apparently we are now paying Nantes, do cost us £20mill

Are we paying the full amount, the $5 million installment?

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Keith may as well work for the club in my opinion

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Keith may as well work for the club in my opinion

think Keith does a lot of good work for the trust and is a good representative for the trust.
Not that I am a member , but thinking of joining , just to give the Trist a bit more backig .
We all have the club at heart.

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Keith may as well work for the club in my opinion

Thank you for your opinion but in this case at least you are talking complete rubbish for reasons I don`t really understand .I am , and always have been, completely independent from any owner of the club that I have supported for over 60 years

Keith

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Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Keith may as well work for the club in my opinion

Thank you for your opinion but in this case at least you are talking complete rubbish for reasons I don`t really understand .I am , and always have been, completely independent from any owner of the club that I have supported for over 60 years

Keith

My strong strong opinion and let’s see Keith what you asked the Hierarchy this time ?!??

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Keith, how will non trust members find out the outcome from the meeting please?

Thanks

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Keith, how will non trust members find out the outcome from the meeting please?

Thanks

We will put it on here a minute after

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Sorry Keith, I wasn't having a pop it's just that you were the only one at the previous embargo announcement meeting that published the outcomes and ahead of WOL, who you'd think would have it out first. Many of us appreciate your analysis of the accounts etc and I know you are restricted on the types of questions that you can ask the board, otherwise you don't get asked back, WOL suffer from that too but the they stem from the obvious concerns of most fans and need to be asked or at least the club address them.

Now pull your finger out and get that report out

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Sorry Keith, I wasn't having a pop it's just that you were the only one at the previous embargo announcement meeting that published the outcomes and ahead of WOL, who you'd think would have it out first. Many of us appreciate your analysis of the accounts etc and I know you are restricted on the types of questions that you can ask the board, otherwise you don't get asked back, WOL suffer from that too but the they stem from the obvious concerns of most fans and need to be asked or at least the club address them.

Now pull your finger out and get that report out

Just to clarify, I am never restricted on the questions I ask of the club. The Trust board remains totally independent and will ask anything its members ask us to. Our refusal to "tow the party line" or limit our questions to only those that the club owner would like to hear is the main reason why the club fell out with us last year. We will continue to ask difficult questions where necessary going forward.

Our independent report will go out to members tonight and they are free to copy it on to any message board they wish. I believe that we are the only fans` representatives that will be issuing a report as the Supporters Club do not usually report back to their members on such meetings as they do not regard issues such as corporate governance as part of their remit.

Keith

Keith Morgan said he'd be sending the meeting summary to Trust members, there's nothing in their site at present and no mention from the MSM as yet.

Give me a bit of a chance

I didn`t get home after the match until after 5.30. I then drafted some notes on the meeting which I then sent to a fellow Trust board member (who is a very good professional journalist). These will then hopefully be sent out by email this evening to Trust members who I was representing at the meeting. I will do the same net week if and when expected developments occur.

Keith

Sorry Keith, I wasn't having a pop it's just that you were the only one at the previous embargo announcement meeting that published the outcomes and ahead of WOL, who you'd think would have it out first. Many of us appreciate your analysis of the accounts etc and I know you are restricted on the types of questions that you can ask the board, otherwise you don't get asked back, WOL suffer from that too but the they stem from the obvious concerns of most fans and need to be asked or at least the club address them.

Now pull your finger out and get that report out

Just to clarify, I am never restricted on the questions I ask of the club. The Trust board remains totally independent and will ask anything its members ask us to. Our refusal to "tow the party line" or limit our questions to only those that the club owner would like to hear is the main reason why the club fell out with us last year. We will continue to ask difficult questions where necessary going forward.

Our independent report will go out to members tonight and they are free to copy it on to any message board they wish. I believe that we are the only fans` representatives that will be issuing a report as the Supporters Club do not usually report back to their members on such meetings as they do not regard issues such as corporate governance as part of their remit.

Keith

Thanks Keith, that's good to know and yes, I remember the fallout after the open letter that to be fair did ask the questions we wanted answers to. I'm also hoping that the outcome of the FLRG initiative will lead to more open dialogue and fan engagement/representation as it's simply healthy for the whole club.

Now stop posting on forums and get that report out.

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Cardiff City Transfer Embargo: The Latest + More City News
admin January 8, 2023


Trust chair Keith Morgan, who is a football finance expert, was among a group of fan representatives who attended a meeting with Cardiff City chairman Mehmet Dalman and other club officials before today’s Leeds United FA Cup game.

Below is Keith’s report on the key points of the meeting:

1. Transfer Embargo – I was wrong in an earlier post. As well as the EFL embargo, a FIFA one does exist in parallel but they are not consistent with each other. What is clear is that the club cannot presently meet the criteria to lift either. The club has written to the EFL pointing out some inconsistencies in their embargo ruling and expects to receive a response within the next week to their request to have the embargo lifted.

2. Appeal to Swiss Federal Tribunal – This is ongoing but no date has yet been set for a court hearing.

3. Other legal actions to recover losses arising – These are ongoing but full details could not be revealed due to legal confidentiality. However, it was stated that the claim against the club`s insurance brokers was a negligence claim.

4. Neil Warnock – It was categorically stated that the directors had had no contact with Neil Warnock about a possible return to CCFC and that they had no intention of doing so in the future.

5. Vincent Tan Financial Support –Mehmet Dalman stated that Vincent Tan had recently confirmed on several occasions that he was pledging to continue financially supporting the club.

6. Other matters discussed – It was revealed that not only was the Emiliano Sala transfer not recognized as complete by the Premier League at the time but was also not recognised by the players union the PFA. It was also said that players were being loaned out despite there not being the ability at present to bring replacements in as a manager`s decision on the basis that he didn’t believe they would have a part to play in the first team squad this season.

There is expected to be an update on various matters available within the next week and Trust members will be notified as soon as this is available.

You can join the Trust for just £12 a year through our website or call into our office before the Wigan game. We’re near Gate 5 and open 90 minutes before kick-off. The more members we have the stronger voice fans have.

“It was revealed that not only was the Emiliano Sala transfer not recognized as complete by the Premier League at the time but was also not recognised by the players union the PFA” doesn’t suggest that we’re about to give any money to Nantes.
If the directors of the club believe this to be true then paying some of the Sala money means that they accept that the transfer was complete.
Saying that, the transfer doesn’t need to be complete at the Premier League end for Sala to have been a Cardiff City player.


Doesn't sound like Nantes will get paid after reading that

THE SALA MYTH :



Dalman is being Dalman ….in causing confusion by making a correct statement which diverts from the real truth. He successfully hoodwinked those who met him yesterday by his smokescreens .

He Could sell sand to the Arabs.


He CORRECTLY says that the Premiere League (and even the PFA) had not yet sanctioned Sala to play for us . Sure … he could not yet play for us (due to a technicality) … but this is totally separate from the actual transfer . Dalman is saying that because at the time of the accident the PL had not -yet- sanctioned Sala to play for us (true) ….. and so he was not our player ! Wrong wrong wrong !




The reality is that WE BOUGHT SALA FROM NANTES - AND THE TRANSFER WAS 100% COMPLETE ! HE WAS OUR PLYER ! The WFA (Welsh F.A) confirmed the registration .. so did the French FA… so did FIFA … or whatever legal bodies . We bought Sala and Nantes delivered him - end of - we have to pay ! He was our player .


Of course we have to register him with the PL to play for us … and it is true that this was not yet completed when the accident happened ….. but this has nothing to do with Nantes and the transfer ! He was our player and the PL authorization is totally separate from the transfer !


FIFA 100% confirmed this and ordered us to pay and later sanctioned and embargoed us . The CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport ) in Switzerland ruled 100% against us ! Now we went to the SFA (Swiss Federal Court) …. There is no chance that this court can rule that Sala was not our player.




Conclusion : WE HAVE TO PAY NANTES ! That is why we have the two separate embargoes by the EFL and FIFA.

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Re: TRUST STATEMENT ON FANS MEETING:
Postby Forever Blue » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:03 am



KIETH MORGAN and DALMAN :


Keith and I go a long way and I consider him to be a true Bluebird and doing what he thinks he can for the Club . He is a colleague supporter in his own way. Over the years , Keith has been excellent in his assessments on financial matters relating to the Club. I - like many- appreciate and respect this very much. I also know that he is quite perceptive in understanding the important issues and questions .


In My Opinion, his problem and real unnerving limitation is that ….he does not or can not ask Dalman/Club the tough questions ! If he does ask ….. Dalman/Club will ban him from the meetings and/or information !

For this reason he , I believe, KOWTOWS to Dalman and only goes as far as asking Dalman what Dalman allows or wants to answer.

While I understand Keith’s stance and reasons ….. still the reality is what he reports - from Dalman/Club is what they want to say and what they want to talk about ….. he does not ask or report on the tough questions and sometimes when he does he only reports the partial answers , in the , politician , answers that Dalman wants him to .

At least Kieth reports some useful things ….when others report nothing . So thank you Keith ….. but we also know your limitations .

But why are they limiting it to not only the same old faces , but even less now??

Keith Morgan - Dalman - Meeting :


I had asked Keith to ask 11 questions to Dalman which I listed last Saturday . Keith is not obliged to ask anything I like ….. that is his prerogative .


(1) Keith got the answer to the most important question ….and that is Tan’s 100% clear continued financial support - no matter what - therefore including our monthly losses , Sala , and all our debts ….. be they to him , Dalman or others. Tan’s most recent interview , when he spoke about the possibility of us reaching the PL ….. did not clearly say that . Now , Tan has at least legally committed to the Club to do it as confirmed by Dalman.



(2) Keith also reported on the transfer embargo ….however , we only got an incomplete and still confusing answer . So yes we have clarified that the EFL embargo is separate from the FIFA embargo (good). He also confirmed that we are trying to lift the EFL embargo (great). However , what about the FIFA embargo ? Can it be lifted ?


Is the 3 window embargo cast in stone ? Can we now sign any players (albeit under the EFL limitation embargo rules)? Yes - thank you - we know that we can not presently meet the criteria to lift either embargo ….. but what the hell can we do ? Can we sign anybody under the EFL limitations ? Can anyone tell me what we can or can’t do ? Honestly , while we know more it is still confusing.




(3) I had asked 11 questions all of which are being questioned by fans …… and thankfully Keith asked the two above ….. but he did not ask or at least get the answers on the other 9. For avoidance of doubt I remind you of the 11 questions.