If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

As you Pembroke Allan seem to be the most hatred to Sam on this thread?

These are just for you.

Honest answers please and Cardiff City is all that matters to me in this as that’s who I care about.



We’re you supporting City before Sam’s days?
If so tell Exactly how we were doing then, crowds, league, ground , squad value , Accademy ,debt etc etc?
How come no one was interested in us back then?


So please tell Me where we were in the league and what league when Sam left ? Crowds ? Stadium, future plans? Debt, squad value etc?
Was our profile bigger? Did you welcome Sam and did you ever sing his name etc?


Did you enjoy the promotions?
Did we ever get relegated under Sam?


Sam made mistakes, he accepts and now has the money to take us forward and was virtually at every game home and away including under 21’s , under 12’s etc, does that not show that he actually cared for our club.

Sam was never ever going to put us under, that I know for a fact, not media bullshit.

Sam coming back would be the best thing to happen to this club in my opinion. Sadly he'd need to piece together the fragments Tan left behind, but that wouldn't take a man of his football knowledge and ability long.

A return by Sam would see the fans return, would see a sense of pride and urgency at the club, would simply see an enjoyment of the game and a competitiveness not seen in years under the current regime.

But Sam will not be coming back though, will he?

Two feuding rich men is never going to result in a deal, it's almost the stuff of 1970's mega drama, Dallas.

I think the majority agree its probably best if Vinny leaves, but who the hell would want to own a football club? I believe the football bubble may be bursting and the big yank owners are cashing in their chips whilst they still can.

As you Pembroke Allan seem to be the most hatred to Sam on this thread?

These are just for you.

Honest answers please and Cardiff City is all that matters to me in this as that’s who I care about.



We’re you supporting City before Sam’s days?
If so tell Exactly how we were doing then, crowds, league, ground , squad value , Accademy ,debt etc etc?
How come no one was interested in us back then?


So please tell Me where we were in the league and what league when Sam left ? Crowds ? Stadium, future plans? Debt, squad value etc?
Was our profile bigger? Did you welcome Sam and did you ever sing his name etc?


Did you enjoy the promotions?
Did we ever get relegated under Sam?


Sam made mistakes, he accepts and now has the money to take us forward and was virtually at every game home and away including under 21’s , under 12’s etc, does that not show that he actually cared for our club.

Sam was never ever going to put us under, that I know for a fact, not media bullshit.

Let me see started 1970 so seen the lot including 40 fans at blackburn southend ect .... did I enjoy promotions mmm to ill so missed 1st one 2nd one was an experience most fans wanted I enjoyed the games like most..... did I sing for sam like fck I did nor did I for any of the owners we've had since 1970? Not sure what your trying to prove? you know my views on sh it hasn't changed and won't ... sh is like any owner of a club they're suppose to be custodians of the club and nearly all have made mistakes In one way or another.... as for loving club he had a funny way of showing it lying about Langston just like he did to other club no matter what you say I still believe he had designs in doing what he did to the other club? ( should try reading about it) Even you got to admit the similarities are there to see.. if he wouldnt let club go under why was tax man continuously at the door and the other financial matters selling players ect? as owner it was his responsibility to pay them and others? If he did tan wouldn't be here now! I dont hate tan dont hate sh I just dont want him near the club again tan as made club a circus so did sh all be it in different way... I want tan gone but also want clean broom not ex owner with the baggage and divisiveness he will bring to fans no matter how much money he as... does that answer you questions? Because I've certainly made it clear in the thread why I don't want him here. And I am not alone am I?

Yes, please bring back the guy who took one club into extinction, and almost the same with us.

Did he? Actual evidence or paper talk?
Simple question where were we before Sam? If you mate have been going as long as me , you will
Know since the early 70’s City have gone nearly gone under on many occasions.
I for one would love Sam and see the ground bouncing again and the club showing passion and players fighting for the club on the pitch.
The only owner to bring our youngsters properly through and actually make it.

My view on Sam is as I have said in my comments earlier.

However, please don’t try to re-write history and claim that the final situation under Sam was “paper talk”.

We sold Kav, Collins, Gabbidon and Gunter all in a last desperate effort to stop our creditors winding us up. Those efforts worked. But anyone saying “it wasn’t that bad” is a liar or wasn’t around at the time.

It was the worst, and most frightening, time of my 52 years supporting this club. Yes, even worse than turning red because at least we knew we still had a club to support no matter how distasteful it felt.

Even Forever Blue, Sam’s friend, has previously admitted those were bad days and Sam made mistakes.

We can have a good debate on whether Sam coming back is a good thing but let’s do it based on facts and not try to gloss over the truly awful situation we were in toward the end of Sam’s time.

It happened and we don’t want to ever be in that situation again. So whoever wants to take us over has to give us those assurances before any of us back a takeover of any sort.

Am I writing saying Sam left Cardiff City in 2006?

Danny Gabbidon was sold to West Ham in 2005

James Collins was sold to Wedt Ham in 2005

As to Chris Gunter sold to Forest in January 2008 for £2mill by Ridsdale

As to Aaron Ramsey sold to Arsenal in 2008 for £5mill by Ridsdale




CARDIFF CITY FC:


: 22 October 2006

The new Chairman of Cardiff City


Sam Hammam has resigned as Chairman and a director of Cardiff City FC.

Peter Ridsdale takes over with immediate effect as the new Chairman.

A statement from the club reads

It has been clear for some time that if Cardiff City Football Club were to fulfil their ambitions to build their new 30,000 seater stadium and invest in the squad to continue their push for promotion, there was a requirement to bring new funding into the Football Club. In order that the current debt levels can be reduced and then eradicated and for the Club to have additional working capital, an agreement has now been reached for a debt for equity swap with institutional hedge funds, who have acknowledged the unique huge potential that exists with Cardiff City Football Club. Keith Harris, Chairman of Seymour Pierce, has been engaged to act for the Club to conclude this deal.

[quote="Forever Blue"]Am I writing saying Sam left Cardiff City in 2006?

Danny Gabbidon was sold to West Ham in 2005

James Collins was sold to Wedt Ham in 2005

As to Chris Gunter sold to Forest in January 2008 for £2mill by Ridsdale

As to Aaron Ramsey sold to Arsenal in 2008 for £5mill by Ridsdale





CARDIFF CITY FC:

: 22 October 2006

The new Chairman of Cardiff City


Sam Hammam has resigned as Chairman and a director of Cardiff City FC.

Peter Ridsdale takes over with immediate effect as the new Chairman.

A statement from the club reads

It has been clear for some time that if Cardiff City Football Club were to fulfil their ambitions to build their new 30,000 seater stadium and invest in the squad to continue their push for promotion, there was a requirement to bring new funding into the Football Club. In order that the current debt levels can be reduced and then eradicated and for the Club to have additional working capital, an agreement has now been reached for a debt for equity swap with institutional hedge funds, who have acknowledged the unique huge potential that exists with Cardiff City Football Club. Keith Harris, Chairman of Seymour Pierce, has been engaged to act for the Club to conclude this deal.

(/quote]

You are correct, I was wrong about Gunter.

But the others I mentioned were once things had started to go wrong under Sam.

I didn’t mention Ramsey. Even I wouldn’t defend the Riddler !!!!

Just for completeness Sam resigned as chairman and owner in October 2006. However I don’t think that was fully completed until Dec 2006 or very early in January 2007.

Am I writing saying Sam left Cardiff City in 2006?

Danny Gabbidon was sold to West Ham in 2005

James Collins was sold to Wedt Ham in 2005

As to Chris Gunter sold to Forest in January 2008 for £2mill by Ridsdale

As to Aaron Ramsey sold to Arsenal in 2008 for £5mill by Ridsdale





CARDIFF CITY FC:

: 22 October 2006

The new Chairman of Cardiff City


Sam Hammam has resigned as Chairman and a director of Cardiff City FC.

Peter Ridsdale takes over with immediate effect as the new Chairman.

A statement from the club reads

It has been clear for some time that if Cardiff City Football Club were to fulfil their ambitions to build their new 30,000 seater stadium and invest in the squad to continue their push for promotion, there was a requirement to bring new funding into the Football Club. In order that the current debt levels can be reduced and then eradicated and for the Club to have additional working capital, an agreement has now been reached for a debt for equity swap with institutional hedge funds, who have acknowledged the unique huge potential that exists with Cardiff City Football Club. Keith Harris, Chairman of Seymour Pierce, has been engaged to act for the Club to conclude this deal.

(/quote]

You are correct, I was wrong about Gunter.

But the others I mentioned were once things had started to go wrong under Sam.

I didn’t mention Ramsey. Even I wouldn’t defend the Riddler !!!!

Due to the Riddler / Guy / Hall and David Temme they all had a hand in back stabbing Sam and preventing him getting the New Stadium, So Sam started to run out of money , they made multiple £millions out City after Sam had started the dram, but No one skated them??

When Sam left City still had players worth £millions including Joe Ledley, Ramsey, Gunter. Loosens etc etc

If you were to work it out Sam left us £24mill owing, with outline planning for a 60,000 stadium, 5pts clear at the top of the Championship and Ninian Park in a good state, crowds good etc

We actually were worth more than the debt.

But Riddler sold us off cheap, made a bigger debt and his group made £mills

Just for completeness Sam resigned as chairman and owner in October 2006. However I don’t think that was fully completed until Dec 2006 or very early in January 2007.

True,

But he had NO say at all when he resigned.
Sam left a few days before Norwich away October 2006.

Am I writing saying Sam left Cardiff City in 2006?

Danny Gabbidon was sold to West Ham in 2005

James Collins was sold to Wedt Ham in 2005

As to Chris Gunter sold to Forest in January 2008 for £2mill by Ridsdale

As to Aaron Ramsey sold to Arsenal in 2008 for £5mill by Ridsdale





CARDIFF CITY FC:

: 22 October 2006

The new Chairman of Cardiff City


Sam Hammam has resigned as Chairman and a director of Cardiff City FC.

Peter Ridsdale takes over with immediate effect as the new Chairman.

A statement from the club reads

It has been clear for some time that if Cardiff City Football Club were to fulfil their ambitions to build their new 30,000 seater stadium and invest in the squad to continue their push for promotion, there was a requirement to bring new funding into the Football Club. In order that the current debt levels can be reduced and then eradicated and for the Club to have additional working capital, an agreement has now been reached for a debt for equity swap with institutional hedge funds, who have acknowledged the unique huge potential that exists with Cardiff City Football Club. Keith Harris, Chairman of Seymour Pierce, has been engaged to act for the Club to conclude this deal.

(/quote]

You are correct, I was wrong about Gunter.

But the others I mentioned were once things had started to go wrong under Sam.

I didn’t mention Ramsey. Even I wouldn’t defend the Riddler !!!!

Due to the Riddler / Guy / Hall and David Temme they all had a hand in back stabbing Sam and preventing him getting the New Stadium, So Sam started to run out of money , they made multiple £millions out City after Sam had started the dram, but No one skated them??

When Sam left City still had players worth £millions including Joe Ledley, Ramsey, Gunter. Loosens etc etc

If you were to work it out Sam left us £24mill owing, with outline planning for a 60,000 stadium, 5pts clear at the top of the Championship and Ninian Park in a good state, crowds good etc

We actually were worth more than the debt.

But Riddler sold us off cheap, made a bigger debt and his group made £mills

I’m not disputing any of that, you are correct, although whilst I detested PMG, Riddler, etc., most knew that Sam had run out of money and the concerns over some of the funding, e.g. Langston loans, we’re causing concern, rightly as it turned out !!

They also knew that the council wouldn’t work with the club on the stadium whilst Sam was in charge. Probably to avoid any possible repeat of the Wimbledon situation, I’m not sure, but certainly the stadium would have stalled if Sam hadn’t gone when did.

At end of day regardless of should he could he.... if sh returned to club he will devide fans that is unquestionably what will happen as this thread shows... my position since it was muted about his return/sale of club is we need a completely new regime fresh start fresh ideas going back is not the answer regardless of how much money sh as got... but if he does end up here well I'll just let others bow in front of him I'll do what I did when he 1st came and when tan came SFA.... certainly no flags singing or dancing thats for sure .

At end of day regardless of should he could he.... if sh returned to club he will devide fans that is unquestionably what will happen as this thread shows... my position since it was muted about his return/sale of club is we need a completely new regime fresh start fresh ideas going back is not the answer regardless of how much money sh as got... but if he does end up here well I'll just let others bow in front of him I'll do what I did when he 1st came and when tan came SFA.... certainly no flags singing or dancing thats for sure .

Funny Allan,

You could not answer the simple questions and facts as usual.

As you Pembroke Allan seem to be the most hatred to Sam on this thread?

These are just for you.

Honest answers please and Cardiff City is all that matters to me in this as that’s who I care about.



We’re you supporting City before Sam’s days?
If so tell Exactly how we were doing then, crowds, league, ground , squad value , Accademy ,debt etc etc?
How come no one was interested in us back then?


So please tell Me where we were in the league and what league when Sam left ? Crowds ? Stadium, future plans? Debt, squad value etc?
Was our profile bigger? Did you welcome Sam and did you ever sing his name etc?


Did you enjoy the promotions?
Did we ever get relegated under Sam?


Sam made mistakes, he accepts and now has the money to take us forward and was virtually at every game home and away including under 21’s , under 12’s etc, does that not show that he actually cared for our club.

Sam was never ever going to put us under, that I know for a fact, not media bullshit.

I get where your coming from but I believe Cardiff city are in a completely different place now to when Sam took over, fans certainly expect alot more and are used to a degree of success, no matter whos responsible for achieving it.
I genuinely can't ever seeing it be the same I'm afraid. Times are too different

Was wondering how long it would take for all blame to be shifted to The Riddler !!!!
Please don't fetch Ledley into the equation as whatever he may have been worth, he fucked off for nowt.
I'm with the ' not for me crowd ' as whoever's name get thrown in the hat for blame as its been said on here many many times THE BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP and to my thinking that includes past as well as present owners.

What are the chances of this even happening ?

Supporters squabbling with each other with no proof it is even on the table, let alone got a chance of happening.

Sam may have said to someone he would be interested or even want to take the club over again, but that is no different to a fan saying if they won the big EuroMillions jackpot they would take over city, it probably will never happen.

Unless there is proof its on the table, which i doubt, move on guys, cos it ain’t worth it.

I would welcome Sam back tommorow. He will divide fans yes, but we are already divided anyway because of Tans ignorance and stubbornness constantly blaming managers signings that he sanctioned and lack of transparency with us the loyal paying customer that football clubs depend on. Sam was awesome at that. When he took over he rejuvenated and kickstarted us embracing our Welsh capital status overnight. I saw the best football , best players and had the most fun as a city supporter under his regime. It got scary at the end but at least we had assets on the pitch , championship status and a stadium on the way. Businessmen with lots of money tend to not make the sane mistake twice, Tan is not splashing any cash any more for the same reason. So yes, come back Sam, there is no doubting his affection and wish for greatness for our club. The last few seasons under Tan have been dreadful on and off the pitch. We need a change, Sam can rejuvenate us again I believe

I would welcome Sam back tommorow. He will divide fans yes, but we are already divided anyway because of Tans ignorance and stubbornness constantly blaming managers signings that he sanctioned and lack of transparency with us the loyal paying customer that football clubs depend on. Sam was awesome at that. When he took over he rejuvenated and kickstarted us embracing our Welsh capital status overnight. I saw the best football , best players and had the most fun as a city supporter under his regime. It got scary at the end but at least we had assets on the pitch , championship status and a stadium on the way. Businessmen with lots of money tend to not make the sane mistake twice, Tan is not splashing any cash any more for the same reason. So yes, come back Sam, there is no doubting his affection and wish for greatness for our club. The last few seasons under Tan have been dreadful on and off the pitch. We need a change, Sam can rejuvenate us again I believe

We have assets on the pitch now. We have a stadium that is a massive asset.

Stadium was not on the way last time. That was the problem.

On the balance I’m for it but we have to be correct with what we say.

Was wondering how long it would take for all blame to be shifted to The Riddler !!!!
Please don't fetch Ledley into the equation as whatever he may have been worth, he fucked off for nowt.
I'm with the ' not for me crowd ' as whoever's name get thrown in the hat for blame as its been said on here many many times THE BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP and to my thinking that includes past as well as present owners.

Jules and what I am saying is when the Riddler and Co came in the debt rose significantly and they made £millions upon £millions on what Sam had set up, yet NO one blames them for nothing.

Was wondering how long it would take for all blame to be shifted to The Riddler !!!!
Please don't fetch Ledley into the equation as whatever he may have been worth, he fucked off for nowt.
I'm with the ' not for me crowd ' as whoever's name get thrown in the hat for blame as its been said on here many many times THE BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP and to my thinking that includes past as well as present owners.

Jules and what I am saying is when the Riddler and Co came in the debt rose significantly and they made £millions upon £millions on what Sam had set up, yet NO one blames them for nothing.

Annis I think the Riddler is widely blamed for us being the closest we have ever been to being wound up.

Literally we were in court for unpaid tax with no new monies to think of. He had sold all the diamonds and was reliant on selling Matthews and then people realised Matthews wasn’t that good.

I would welcome Sam back tommorow. He will divide fans yes, but we are already divided anyway because of Tans ignorance and stubbornness constantly blaming managers signings that he sanctioned and lack of transparency with us the loyal paying customer that football clubs depend on. Sam was awesome at that. When he took over he rejuvenated and kickstarted us embracing our Welsh capital status overnight. I saw the best football , best players and had the most fun as a city supporter under his regime. It got scary at the end but at least we had assets on the pitch , championship status and a stadium on the way. Businessmen with lots of money tend to not make the sane mistake twice, Tan is not splashing any cash any more for the same reason. So yes, come back Sam, there is no doubting his affection and wish for greatness for our club. The last few seasons under Tan have been dreadful on and off the pitch. We need a change, Sam can rejuvenate us again I believe

We have assets on the pitch now. We have a stadium that is a massive asset.

Stadium was not on the way last time. That was the problem.

On the balance I’m for it but we have to be correct with what we say.

What assets do we have on the pitch now Neil. I don't see much there.

Last time the stadium was on its way but it never materialised due to Sam called the leader of the council a raving puff. Strange thing about this episode was it was the Riddler that pulled it all off with PMG, perhaps 2 most controversial characters than we have had in our history.

I would welcome Sam back tommorow. He will divide fans yes, but we are already divided anyway because of Tans ignorance and stubbornness constantly blaming managers signings that he sanctioned and lack of transparency with us the loyal paying customer that football clubs depend on. Sam was awesome at that. When he took over he rejuvenated and kickstarted us embracing our Welsh capital status overnight. I saw the best football , best players and had the most fun as a city supporter under his regime. It got scary at the end but at least we had assets on the pitch , championship status and a stadium on the way. Businessmen with lots of money tend to not make the sane mistake twice, Tan is not splashing any cash any more for the same reason. So yes, come back Sam, there is no doubting his affection and wish for greatness for our club. The last few seasons under Tan have been dreadful on and off the pitch. We need a change, Sam can rejuvenate us again I believe

We have assets on the pitch now. We have a stadium that is a massive asset.

Stadium was not on the way last time. That was the problem.

On the balance I’m for it but we have to be correct with what we say.

What assets do we have on the pitch now Neil. I don't see much there.

Last time the stadium was on its way but it never materialised due to Sam called the leader of the council a raving puff. Strange thing about this episode was it was the Riddler that pulled it all off with PMG, perhaps 2 most controversial characters than we have had in our history.

PMG pulled it off. Riddler was the front man.

As an aside I wouldn’t touch Riddler with a barge pole and would fight tooth and nail for him not be anywhere near my club ever again.

Colwill is an absolute asset (I don’t see why personally) as is Davies. Some of the other promising youngsters too. Remember when Sam left all Ramsey was at the time was a promising 15 year old and he’s been included in assets left. Gunter to who was 16. No way was that squad worth more than the debt at the time. Everything valuable had already been sold.

The ground is the biggest asset and training facilities which are so much better than then and better than most championship clubs (and some premier league).

That’s our squad at the time right here.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cardiff ... on_id=2006

Chopra had just signed so wasn’t the 5 million striker he became.
Johnson has just signed so wasn’t the 5 million defender he became.
Loovens was establishing himself so wasn’t the 3 million defender he became.
Ledley was establishing himself so wasn’t the class midfielder he became.
Whitts signed in January 2007 after Sam had left.

Lot a lot there really. No depth which was why we fell of so badly.

Dave Jones performed miracles he really did.

An interesting thought, he was certainly done over by PMG for the stadium build and retail park which would have been a great asset for the club for years to come. Goodwage was on board but then he lost the election didn’t he? Isn’t that when his troubles began….
I really can’t see things being any worse than now, loads of people I know have stopped going, the club needs galvanising again and I reckon he could do it. He understands football at least whereas Tan for all his money, doesn’t. How much has he lost already? All his doing…

As others have said, never go back to an old love. Sam did a lot right for the club but also a lot wrong, as do most owners of any club but I wouldn't want him back, in the same way I didn't want my ex wife back when she came asking.

But Sam does seem to get mixed in & blamed for a lot of what happened when the riddler was in charge but there's a reason Sam is called by his name & the riddler is called the riddler rather than his actual name.

As others have said, never go back to an old love. Sam did a lot right for the club but also a lot wrong, as do most owners of any club but I wouldn't want him back, in the same way I didn't want my ex wife back when she came asking.

But Sam does seem to get mixed in & blamed for a lot of what happened when the riddler was in charge but there's a reason Sam is called by his name & the riddler is called the riddler rather than his actual name.

Sam brought Riddler to the club I probably why.

Says online he has a net worth of 7.89 million, so assuming we still lose 1m a month we should be ok until the summer when he runs into the sunset again

Our club has lost its closeness, feeling, passion and is drifting away from us all, owners don’t give a f**k, at least with Sam the club would ignite again and everyone deserves a second chance, I started my days under Sam and loved them

My family and myself would welcome Sam back with open arms and everyone I speak to say the same, he brought our cub to life and gave us nothing but success on the pitch and we lived the dream

My family and myself would welcome Sam back with open arms and everyone I speak to say the same, he brought our cub to life and gave us nothing but success on the pitch and we lived the dream

Success on pitch what was that I must have forgotten what success we had ? Success is winning promotion or a cup not staying in a league p