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Re: Change of name

Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:48 pm

1980s Bluebird wrote:Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!

Why shouldn't we proud to be Welsh? The FAW have done wonders in recent years to promote the use of our own language and long may it continue. I think CCFC could learn a thing or two from them.

Re: Change of name

Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:12 pm

1980s Bluebird wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!


It's unfortunate to see how little people care about their history, culture, and identity.

I guess this is the modern-day era, where multiculturalism has made everything stale and homogenized.

When I visit Italy, I want Italian culture.

When I visit France, I want to experience French culture.

And when I am in Wales, I'd love to see a population of people proud of their history and culture too.

Anyway, I've voiced my opinion enough today, and I hope to see Cymru represented in its native language on the global stage.



I care about my culture, my history and my identity. I class myself as Welsh but changing a name is not going to bring those three things to the forefront. We have a Secretary of State for Wales appointed by an English Prime Minister, the previous one lived in Swindon and was MP for Swindon we have a Prince handed that title by a King who historically is the King of England. All our signs are in English, Welsh though compulsory in schools is taught maybe once a fortnight.
Our clubs play in the English leagues and we have Black history month (which is fine by the way) but we dont have a Welsh history month.

The name Cymru changes none of that apart from appease a few based in North Wales.



This is my issue- What is our culture ?

Historical Wales is in the north, it was a medieval lord's land to the left of Lancashire and Yorkshire where the northern power was, nothing really happened in the south until 150 years ago. We can continually look backward like the nationalists and talk about the 1284 Statute of Rhuddlan that effectively ended Wales as an independent country, but that was 750 years ago for christ's sake !!!

Cardiff was only made the capital in 1955, the current flag was first adopted 1959, and devolution 1999 we are very young.

When people today talk about Wales today they are talking about the south; but even the south varies; are we talking about the Rhondda, Swansea and Gwent valleys ? The cosmopolitan, multicultural M4 corridor between Swansea and Newport where the vast majority live; Or are we talking west of Swansea and mid-wales farming country?

Very few people lived in the Rhondda before we found the black gold, Cardiff was a minor fishing port. My ancestry is French, German, English and Irish. I am more Barry Welsh than Owain Glyndrw and i speak with a thick Cardiff accent.

The FAW are flirting a little too close to Plaid/ Yes Cymru's agenda for my liking. This could backfire.

Re: Change of name

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:46 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:Unless you have a name like Ap Gruffydd or Ap Llwelyn or Ap Dai the Bus then we are all foreigners really derived from travelling from England, Ireland, Scotland Norway, Denmark et al. My great grandfather derives from Hereford and GGG from Devon but I am Welsh from Wales or Cymru or whatever you want to call it. Jumping on this nationalist bandwagon is just ridiculous and the FAW or whatever they want to be called should concentrate on making sure any Euros game in the future is not played at the Rugby stadium!


It's unfortunate to see how little people care about their history, culture, and identity.

I guess this is the modern-day era, where multiculturalism has made everything stale and homogenized.

When I visit Italy, I want Italian culture.

When I visit France, I want to experience French culture.

And when I am in Wales, I'd love to see a population of people proud of their history and culture too.

Anyway, I've voiced my opinion enough today, and I hope to see Cymru represented in its native language on the global stage.



I care about my culture, my history and my identity. I class myself as Welsh but changing a name is not going to bring those three things to the forefront. We have a Secretary of State for Wales appointed by an English Prime Minister, the previous one lived in Swindon and was MP for Swindon we have a Prince handed that title by a King who historically is the King of England. All our signs are in English, Welsh though compulsory in schools is taught maybe once a fortnight.
Our clubs play in the English leagues and we have Black history month (which is fine by the way) but we dont have a Welsh history month.

The name Cymru changes none of that apart from appease a few based in North Wales.



This is my issue- What is our culture ?

Historical Wales is in the north, it was a medieval lord's land to the left of Lancashire and Yorkshire where the northern power was, nothing really happened in the south until 150 years ago. We can continually look backward like the nationalists and talk about the 1284 Statute of Rhuddlan that effectively ended Wales as an independent country, but that was 750 years ago for christ's sake !!!

Cardiff was only made the capital in 1955, the current flag was first adopted 1959, and devolution 1999 we are very young.

When people today talk about Wales today they are talking about the south; but even the south varies; are we talking about the Rhondda, Swansea and Gwent valleys ? The cosmopolitan, multicultural M4 corridor between Swansea and Newport where the vast majority live; Or are we talking west of Swansea and mid-wales farming country?

Very few people lived in the Rhondda before we found the black gold, Cardiff was a minor fishing port. My ancestry is French, German, English and Irish. I am more Barry Welsh than Owain Glyndrw and i speak with a thick Cardiff accent.

The FAW are flirting a little too close to Plaid/ Yes Cymru's agenda for my liking. This could backfire.

Henry Tudor was Welsh yet the Tudors ruled England

Re: Change of name

Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:02 pm

I love my country. But as Welsh football is in the best place it's been for years, all this shizen has started. I can see where people are coming from, but just leave it as it is.

Re: Change of name

Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:52 am

Caerdydd12 wrote:I love my country. But as Welsh football is in the best place it's been for years, all this shizen has started. I can see where people are coming from, but just leave it as it is.

If it ain’t broken

Re: Change of name

Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:00 am

Changing the name to Cymru is a bad idea and good luck teaching the foreigners the mutation rules for C !!!
The idea is well supported by the noisy gog like minority but it's another tick box. Hopefully it will soon quietly disappear.

Re: Change of name

Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:31 pm

barry boy wrote:Changing the name to Cymru is a bad idea and good luck teaching the foreigners the mutation rules for C !!!
The idea is well supported by the noisy gog like minority but it's another tick box. Hopefully it will soon quietly disappear.

What about Deutschland (Germany)?
What about Hrvatska (Croatia)?
What about Nihon (Japan)?

No one's telling you to stop referring to these teams by their English names, including Wales. The FAW just want start to refer to ourselves on the world stage by our official name in our official language, JUST like every other nation. Yes, English is the number 1 spoken language here, no one can deny that, but it's about preserving and promoting the use of Cymraeg here.

They've actually been using Cymru instead of Wales in communications for many years now, have you complained about that? Or have you not noticed?