BREAKING: EMILIANO SALA

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Which of the potential defendants would have valid insurance in place for their actions?

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Good point and a great previous summary by Ninian too.

Regarding the insurance situation. I don't think any insurances will ultimately settle apart from the company who actually own the defective plane who Henderson leased it from, as they may have a duty to ensure it was safe. And they maybe dodgy too and ultimately have no legal cover or the finances to be sued. But then again, that responsibility may lie with the former, who is in jail for actually making the arrangements whilst also not having a valid license to operate flights. And of course, the safety checks may legally lie with the responsibilities of the pilot, who was not licensed to fly it in the first place. So no chance of claiming from them so then does it default to the owner of the plane?. I have no legal expertise or a even a clue at all in this but the root of this for me is whoever is ultimately responsible for the defective plane, unless their lease caveats or lack of finances let them off.

The other thing is that Emiliano will have had private life insurance which also doesn't appear too have been settled and I'm assuming because it would have been void due to the reasons above. This could also be the reason that Cardiff's insurance will also be void as it will not pay out for the same reasons.

On player ownership, hmmm, there's a legal game being played here and it would appear there have been some very dodgy dealings from both sides which the clubs lawyers maybe trying to expose to leverage the above to flush a deal out. It seemed to me that he was our player, we pay the first installment and then somehow argue a civil case for loss of revenue, again, no idea how that would work. But maybe the Nantes hierarchy and significant others wouldn't want this playing out in court and then they settle for less? Who knows.

For me, someone is ultimately to blame for this young mans needless death. And for me, it is the owner of the plane or whoever was responsible for its safety. The question of player ownership, well, it seems to me it was us but for us to not just pay seems to suggest that there's a lot more to this than meets the eye and our legal warchest is bigger than theirs, which is the way it usually plays out.

I'm not a fan of MD in any shape or form but he did say that these transfer dealings were like the Wild West and needed to change. I'm hoping all of this resolves in something good coming out of a bad situation, ultimately for a talented young man that appears to have been treated like a commodity not to happen again, justice served and lessons learned. I really don't think we are the bad guys in this and if it shines a light on the real bad guys, so be it.

Forgot to add, the BBC documentary said there was also private cases in both in France and also from Emilianos family, I wonder how they are developing in relation to the above? It's also interesting why we are now challenging CAS, an appeal we would surely lose, unless CAS are unduly influenced by FIFA, a renowned and proven corrupt global organisation. Hmmmm.

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

Say you agree to buy a new Rolex and courier lose it whilst bringing it to you. Would you then pay for that?
Not being harsh just taking the human element out of it.
Rip sala

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

Say you agree to buy a new Rolex and courier lose it whilst bringing it to you. Would you then pay for that?
Not being harsh just taking the human element out of it.
Rip sala

Wrong, Sala had already been to Cardiff signed and agreed and was a Cardiff player.
Registered with Welsh FA.
Then flew back to France.
The next verdict will be once again City will have to pay, plus huge amounts of costs and interest.
This is the last time City can appeal.

Annis, not being negative here but wasn't there something wrong with the initial signed contract and the WFA jumped the gun on details which sadly were never rectified?

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

The argument with FIFA is about the ownership bug in virtually every hearing so far we/the club have found out more due to full disclosure.

That’s the whole point. This is a long game not something that will be solved overnight.

The club have to keep going in this and so far things have been exposed that has helped us.

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Which of the potential defendants would have valid insurance in place for their actions?

The owner of the plane, Ibbotson, Henderson, McKay and us/Nantes would all have had valid insurance at the time. Therefore that’s why all these other cases are leading to finding out which insurer/individual/organisation is liable.

People really need to stop trying score “moral” points and realise that there is a whole lot more to this than just which club owned the player.

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

The argument with FIFA is about the ownership bug in virtually every hearing so far we/the club have found out more due to full disclosure.

That’s the whole point. This is a long game not something that will be solved overnight.

The club have to keep going in this and so far things have been exposed that has helped us.

So what will you say if Tan loses the 3rd case in a row ?
Don’t think Tan has the best lawyers on this.

As there are No more appeals
Are you saying we are still right to say Sala was not our player because this is what the case is about???

Annis, not being negative here but wasn't there something wrong with the initial signed contract and the WFA jumped the gun on details which sadly were never rectified?

Yes Jules the paper work to allow Sala to play in the Premier League .

Not the paper work that says he’s a Cardiff City player.

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

The argument with FIFA is about the ownership bug in virtually every hearing so far we/the club have found out more due to full disclosure.

That’s the whole point. This is a long game not something that will be solved overnight.

The club have to keep going in this and so far things have been exposed that has helped us.

So what will you say if Tan loses the 3rd case in a row ?
Don’t think Tan has the best lawyers on this.

As there are No more appeals
Are you saying we are still right to say Sala was not our player because this is what the case is about???

They keep going until they exhaust all avenues and have collected as much information as possible under disclosure rules that will help them in the next round of cases on liability to Nantes.

I do believe we will have to pay Nantes but there is every chance that those monies, and more, will be recouped in the future from the other parties involved.

If it was my money and I thought somebody else was liable for the accident to the tune of £15m plus I would exhaust every avenue. If you’re honest, taking your bias against Tan away, you would also go through every court too !!

It is distasteful as it involves the life of a human being but Cardiff were not the ones who caused this or are liable for the accident and therefore they have fight this.

You want Tan out. That’s much more likely to happen if he recoups something/all of this money, surely you can see that !?

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

The argument with FIFA is about the ownership bug in virtually every hearing so far we/the club have found out more due to full disclosure.

That’s the whole point. This is a long game not something that will be solved overnight.

The club have to keep going in this and so far things have been exposed that has helped us.

So what will you say if Tan loses the 3rd case in a row ?
Don’t think Tan has the best lawyers on this.

As there are No more appeals
Are you saying we are still right to say Sala was not our player because this is what the case is about???

They keep going until they exhaust all avenues and have collected as much information as possible under disclosure rules that will help them in the next round of cases on liability to Nantes.

I do believe we will have to pay Nantes but there is every chance that those monies, and more, will be recouped in the future from the other parties involved.

If it was my money and I thought somebody else was liable for the accident to the tune of £15m plus I would exhaust every avenue. If you’re honest, taking your bias against Tan away, you would also go through every court too !!

It is distasteful as it involves the life of a human being but Cardiff were not the ones who caused this or are liable for the accident and therefore they have fight this.

You want Tan out. That’s much more likely to happen if he recoups something/all of this money, surely you can see that !?

Ok that’s your opinion.


Let’s see the next outcome.

How much it then costs us for denying Sala was our player.

And let’s see how much we get back.

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Which of the potential defendants would have valid insurance in place for their actions?

The owner of the plane, Ibbotson, Henderson, McKay and us/Nantes would all have had valid insurance at the time. Therefore that’s why all these other cases are leading to finding out which insurer/individual/organisation is liable.

People really need to stop trying score “moral” points and realise that there is a whole lot more to this than just which club owned the player.

Well said

Just to pick up on point 5.

The individuals don’t have the finances to pay but their insurers will and that’s what all of these actions are leading up to.

So there is still a lot to fight for. Nantes may well have to be paid by us but so far the criminal and coroner hearings are very much helping the club’s case against those others and their insurers.

This won’t be concluded any time soon but they are important issues that may well benefit the club hugely further through the process.

Which of the potential defendants would have valid insurance in place for their actions?

The owner of the plane, Ibbotson, Henderson, McKay and us/Nantes would all have had valid insurance at the time. Therefore that’s why all these other cases are leading to finding out which insurer/individual/organisation is liable.

People really need to stop trying score “moral” points and realise that there is a whole lot more to this than just which club owned the player.

Well said

Very well said.

Say you agree to buy a new Rolex and courier lose it whilst bringing it to you. Would you then pay for that?
Not being harsh just taking the human element out of it.
Rip sala

Wrong, Sala had already been to Cardiff signed and agreed and was a Cardiff player.
Registered with Welsh FA.
Then flew back to France.
The next verdict will be once again City will have to pay, plus huge amounts of costs and interest.
This is the last time City can appeal.

I get what happened pal, I lived through it like everyone else.
Surely you can see the bigger picture though and why we are fighting it?

Appalling situation, pay up now and let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve.

Agree .

If it was your money, would you personally pay like Tan would have to if you thought the City were correct in their stance?

Sala was our player end off and twice the courts have ordered , so yes I would and save costs

Isn't the argument though that willy McKay acting on behalf of Nantes arranged the fatal flight. So indirectly are partly to blame. I know it's a lot more complicated than that and I've simplified it lol.
Not sure the argument is wether he was our player anymore. More who's responsible

No the argument with FIFA is that City we’re saying he was not our player at the time and he was.

The other stuff should and hopefully will be a separate private suing matter.

The argument with FIFA is about the ownership bug in virtually every hearing so far we/the club have found out more due to full disclosure.

That’s the whole point. This is a long game not something that will be solved overnight.

The club have to keep going in this and so far things have been exposed that has helped us.

So what will you say if Tan loses the 3rd case in a row ?
Don’t think Tan has the best lawyers on this.

As there are No more appeals
Are you saying we are still right to say Sala was not our player because this is what the case is about???

They keep going until they exhaust all avenues and have collected as much information as possible under disclosure rules that will help them in the next round of cases on liability to Nantes.

I do believe we will have to pay Nantes but there is every chance that those monies, and more, will be recouped in the future from the other parties involved.

If it was my money and I thought somebody else was liable for the accident to the tune of £15m plus I would exhaust every avenue. If you’re honest, taking your bias against Tan away, you would also go through every court too !!

It is distasteful as it involves the life of a human being but Cardiff were not the ones who caused this or are liable for the accident and therefore they have fight this.

You want Tan out. That’s much more likely to happen if he recoups something/all of this money, surely you can see that !?

Ok that’s your opinion.


Let’s see the next outcome.

How much it then costs us for denying Sala was our player.

And let’s see how much we get back.

My point is, unless it’s cut and dried (which it clearly isn’t) the club is duty bound to challenge it.

Say you agree to buy a new Rolex and courier lose it whilst bringing it to you. Would you then pay for that?
Not being harsh just taking the human element out of it.
Rip sala

Wrong, Sala had already been to Cardiff signed and agreed and was a Cardiff player.
Registered with Welsh FA.
Then flew back to France.
The next verdict will be once again City will have to pay, plus huge amounts of costs and interest.
This is the last time City can appeal.

I get what happened pal, I lived through it like everyone else.
Surely you can see the bigger picture though and why we are fighting it?

The board should of gone straight after the agents and perused them etc


But instead they are fighting in court saying Sala was not our player and yet he was and that’s why we have lost both court cases.

The bigger picture is it’s embarrassing and degrading and the family should not be hearing us denying he was our player.

FIFA have said on two occasions in court cases Sala was ours.

Costs and interest have so far cost our club an extra £5mill, that for me is shocking.

Sala was registered with the Welsh FA as our player and this is what this actual court case is about.

Tan fights every case and in Uk loses 99% , he fights every case because he is use to winning everything in Malaysia.




So please tell me why we are fighting to say Sala is not our player??

How Sala died etc is not totally cut and dried.

But this is totally different, Tan is saying that Sala was not our player and that is cut and dried he was our player.

And that throws opinions out the window as it’s in b/w in documents signed and sealed and twice announced in court cases.


As to suing agents etc that’s a future court case abd I back the board etc on that.

Two court cases both say it’s cut and dried that Sala was our player at an extra cost of £5mill to our club.

Shall we wait and see the the final Appeal, but I bet you will still side with Tan and shockingly say Sala was not our player that’s what your really saying as this case is what it’s all bout.

How Sala died etc is not totally cut and dried.

But this is totally different, Tan is saying that Sala was not our player and that is cut and dried he was our player.

And that throws opinions out the window as it’s in b/w in documents signed and sealed and twice announced in court cases.


As to suing agents etc that’s a future court case abd I back the board etc on that.

Two court cases both say it’s cut and dried that Sala was our player at an extra cost of £5mill to our club.

Shall we wait and see the the final Appeal, but I bet you will still side with Tan and shockingly say Sala was not our player that’s what your really saying as this case is what it’s all bout.[/quote]

You haven’t read my post.

My view is that during/before each hearing more details/evidence is disclosed.

In such a complicated case you take each strand to the limit to tease out every bit of evidence to, hopefully, built the ultimate case when you identify who is really liable and, therefore, who to target your efforts at.

None of this is new, it’s simple in terms of civil/insurance cases and pretty common place.

Now, just to be clear, I have no way of saying we will win any case or money. However, there are some serious lawyers involved who are absolutely confident that we will either not be liable or we will be able to pin liability on someone else.

Simple question, why should the club pay up solely when they were clearly not at fault for what happened whereas the coroner/criminal courts have found against other individuals ?

The club is right to take these actions, they are safeguarding the finances of the club and should be applauded for that not vilified.

By the way, I don’t believe, technically, we can argue that Sala wasn’t our player. It was worth questioning as it certainly wasn’t clear. However that case has uncovered a whole lot more information that we will now use in future, probably, more successful cases.

You are either being naive or biased if you really think that the club was wrong to take, and continue, this case

By the way, I don’t believe, technically, we can argue that Sala wasn’t our player. It was worth questioning as it certainly wasn’t clear. However that case has uncovered a whole lot more information that we will now use in future, probably, more successful cases.

You are either being naive or biased if you really think that the club was wrong to take, and continue, this case

Let’s see how the 3rd and final case decides, as I said we’ve had two cases and both say Sala was our player which he was, now for yet another costly appeal by Tan.

Not naive facts , Sala was our player.

Are FIFA & Welsh FA Naive as well?

Maybe you and Tan are the hypocrites.
Sad really, very.
I’m actually appalled and sickened.

let’s leave it there.

By the way, I don’t believe, technically, we can argue that Sala wasn’t our player. It was worth questioning as it certainly wasn’t clear. However that case has uncovered a whole lot more information that we will now use in future, probably, more successful cases.

You are either being naive or biased if you really think that the club was wrong to take, and continue, this case

Let’s see how the 3rd and final case decides, as I said we’ve had two cases and both say Sala was our player which he was, now for yet another costly appeal by Tan.

Not naive facts , Sala was our player.

Are FIFA & Welsh FA Naive as well?

Maybe you and Tan are the hypocrites.
Sad really, very.
I’m actually appalled and sickened.

let’s leave it there.

We can leave it there but just to be absolutely clear , I’m not disputing Sala was our player. I believe he was just like you.

What we disagree on is whether it was necessary to pursue this through the courts. I believe that is a “yes” without question to lay the ground for further civil cases.

The whole truth won’t come out until years/cases ahead but I’m firmly of the belief that the club will, eventually, recoup a significant amount of their outlay.

By the way, I don’t believe, technically, we can argue that Sala wasn’t our player. It was worth questioning as it certainly wasn’t clear. However that case has uncovered a whole lot more information that we will now use in future, probably, more successful cases.

You are either being naive or biased if you really think that the club was wrong to take, and continue, this case

Let’s see how the 3rd and final case decides, as I said we’ve had two cases and both say Sala was our player which he was, now for yet another costly appeal by Tan.

Not naive facts , Sala was our player.

Are FIFA & Welsh FA Naive as well?

Maybe you and Tan are the hypocrites.
Sad really, very.
I’m actually appalled and sickened.

let’s leave it there.

We can leave it there but just to be absolutely clear , I’m not disputing Sala was our player. I believe he was just like you.

What we disagree on is whether it was necessary to pursue this through the courts. I believe that is a “yes” without question to lay the ground for further civil cases.

The whole truth won’t come out until years/cases ahead but I’m firmly of the belief that the club will, eventually, recoup a significant amount of their outlay.

You are disputing Sala was a Cardiff City player as that is what this exact case is about, 100%.

By the way, I don’t believe, technically, we can argue that Sala wasn’t our player. It was worth questioning as it certainly wasn’t clear. However that case has uncovered a whole lot more information that we will now use in future, probably, more successful cases.

You are either being naive or biased if you really think that the club was wrong to take, and continue, this case

Let’s see how the 3rd and final case decides, as I said we’ve had two cases and both say Sala was our player which he was, now for yet another costly appeal by Tan.

Not naive facts , Sala was our player.

Are FIFA & Welsh FA Naive as well?

Maybe you and Tan are the hypocrites.
Sad really, very.
I’m actually appalled and sickened.

let’s leave it there.

We can leave it there but just to be absolutely clear , I’m not disputing Sala was our player. I believe he was just like you.

What we disagree on is whether it was necessary to pursue this through the courts. I believe that is a “yes” without question to lay the ground for further civil cases.

The whole truth won’t come out until years/cases ahead but I’m firmly of the belief that the club will, eventually, recoup a significant amount of their outlay.

You are disputing Sala was a Cardiff City player as that is what this exact case is about, 100%.

Again, once more, you are not reading what I am saying.

This is all about gathering more information and also setting the scene for future cases.

On it’s own this case is about ownership but there’s a whole lot more that has come out that is allowing the legal team to add to the evidence for the next cases.

This is such a complicated matter that you cannot take this case in isolation.

You’re not an uneducated man and deep down you know all of this.