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Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:29 am

wez1927 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:

Was in bridgend market today at the butchers stand about 10 of us talking about it ,every single person thought boris should come back ,one voted Labour and said the people chose him in 2019 and he shouldn't of left ,boris was elected on mass by people who knew what he was like ,2 years is a long time in politics, he could turn it around when he left labour qere only 8 points ahead in the polls.which mid term is normal.



Wez, I am not a tory although i voted for them in the last two elections. My simple reasoning is that he is not a leader. A charismatic disruptor, but as a younger more motivated driven man the leader of the biggest city was his limit. He can not lead the country through the straight-jacketed discipline required for the next two ~ five years. It will be chaos

Sunak when the chancellor forgot to mention his wife's non-dom status, the country is skint and HMRC are putting the squeeze on joe public but we still have that avenue for those with the wealth to keep their

Rachel Reeves the BoE economist, so there's a continuation of the last 30 years orthodoxy, the bankers are always saved and our kids and grandkids pay.

Funny how the Hunts special "city" advisor team got him to reverse every one of Kwasi's tax cuts but forgot to put the cap back on bankers bonuses :?

The truth is we are screwed, we have borrowed so much money since bailing out the banks and giving them basically free money that we don't have any and they do. They call the shots as was evident over the last few weeks. May as well make Jamie Dimon PM (CEO JP Morgan) and do away with the middlemen.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:56 am

Starmer looks listless when the Torys are weak.. still won’t give answers to straightforward questions. That’s why nobody knows what he is. As for Rachel Reeves, she backed Ed Miliband. That says much of her.

Neither party appears even mildly competent.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:58 am

llan bluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:

Was in bridgend market today at the butchers stand about 10 of us talking about it ,every single person thought boris should come back ,one voted Labour and said the people chose him in 2019 and he shouldn't of left ,boris was elected on mass by people who knew what he was like ,2 years is a long time in politics, he could turn it around when he left labour qere only 8 points ahead in the polls.which mid term is normal.



Wez, I am not a tory although i voted for them in the last two elections. My simple reasoning is that he is not a leader. A charismatic disruptor, but as a younger more motivated driven man the leader of the biggest city was his limit. He can not lead the country through the straight-jacketed discipline required for the next two ~ five years. It will be chaos

Sunak when the chancellor forgot to mention his wife's non-dom status, the country is skint and HMRC are putting the squeeze on joe public but we still have that avenue for those with the wealth to keep their

Rachel Reeves the BoE economist, so there's a continuation of the last 30 years orthodoxy, the bankers are always saved and our kids and grandkids pay.

Funny how the Hunts special "city" advisor team got him to reverse every one of Kwasi's tax cuts but forgot to put the cap back on bankers bonuses :?

The truth is we are screwed, we have borrowed so much money since bailing out the banks and giving them basically free money that we don't have any and they do. They call the shots as was evident over the last few weeks. May as well make Jamie Dimon PM (CEO JP Morgan) and do away with the middlemen.

Genuine question mate, if you voted for the tories in Last two elections, why does that not make you a Tory? No opposition?

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:16 am

wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .


Maybe you need to actually listen to what he said!?

Certainly more detail in that than what Truss said to her conference and infinitely more detail than any of the current Tory leadership candidates have come up with in their various roles.

I don’t mind allegiance to parties but at least listen to what the others have to say and then disagree !!

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:19 am

rumpo kid wrote:Starmer looks listless when the Torys are weak.. still won’t give answers to straightforward questions. That’s why nobody knows what he is. As for Rachel Reeves, she backed Ed Miliband. That says much of her.

Neither party appears even mildly competent.


Rachel Reeves is by far away the best candidate for Chancellor from either party. If you based your view of Tory Chancellors on who they had previously backed you wouldn’t trust a single one of them with your kids piggy banks !!

Read Reeves details and about her experience and then tell me a single Tory that can compete with her as a rounded Chancellor.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:57 am

Please remember this todays Times and Financial Times warned that Bojo the clown's return could pose an existential threat to the UK's financial status. His victory will only add to the Tories terminal decline. Such is the divisiveness within his return would cause chaos in the Tory parliamentary party. Is that what the nation needs ? Bojo cares about Bojo he is not a Tory, he cares little for this country and would readily jump on a dog turd if he thought it would propel him to power. A narcissist of the highest order. There is also a direct threat of him being found guilty of breaking the ministerial code and lying to parliament,: what then. The pound world drop below the dollar and investors would flee. As far as I am concerned those who vote for this charlatan are traitors to the UK.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:18 pm

Jimmy Scoular wrote:Please remember this todays Times and Financial Times warned that Bojo the clown's return could pose an existential threat to the UK's financial status. His victory will only add to the Tories terminal decline. Such is the divisiveness within his return would cause chaos in the Tory parliamentary party. Is that what the nation needs ? Bojo cares about Bojo he is not a Tory, he cares little for this country and would readily jump on a dog turd if he thought it would propel him to power. A narcissist of the highest order. There is also a direct threat of him being found guilty of breaking the ministerial code and lying to parliament,: what then. The pound world drop below the dollar and investors would flee. As far as I am concerned those who vote for this charlatan are traitors to the UK.

The pound today on the news is up to 1.13 from 1.11 yesterday

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:49 pm

This country is now a joke all over the world a laughing stock and people are to blame for voting this bunch of torys who look after their own the rich

I work for the NHS and seen the disasters the last 12 years of tory rule has caused its what the torys want as they do not want the NHS as far as they are concerned if are poor then go and die so they can pay for private health care

unless they improve worker wages then the Economy will always be crap as its working people who spend money in shops etc with less pay and shops being more expensive they will spend less and the rich who has everything put their money abroad.

Simple, give workers the better pay they deserve tax the billionaires who are dodging the tax and workers can spend more money into the economy.

I dont like Starmer or any party but this bunch in power now are the worst in history and any other will be an improvement

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:33 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:

Was in bridgend market today at the butchers stand about 10 of us talking about it ,every single person thought boris should come back ,one voted Labour and said the people chose him in 2019 and he shouldn't of left ,boris was elected on mass by people who knew what he was like ,2 years is a long time in politics, he could turn it around when he left labour qere only 8 points ahead in the polls.which mid term is normal.



Wez, I am not a tory although i voted for them in the last two elections. My simple reasoning is that he is not a leader. A charismatic disruptor, but as a younger more motivated driven man the leader of the biggest city was his limit. He can not lead the country through the straight-jacketed discipline required for the next two ~ five years. It will be chaos

Sunak when the chancellor forgot to mention his wife's non-dom status, the country is skint and HMRC are putting the squeeze on joe public but we still have that avenue for those with the wealth to keep their

Rachel Reeves the BoE economist, so there's a continuation of the last 30 years orthodoxy, the bankers are always saved and our kids and grandkids pay.

Funny how the Hunts special "city" advisor team got him to reverse every one of Kwasi's tax cuts but forgot to put the cap back on bankers bonuses :?

The truth is we are screwed, we have borrowed so much money since bailing out the banks and giving them basically free money that we don't have any and they do. They call the shots as was evident over the last few weeks. May as well make Jamie Dimon PM (CEO JP Morgan) and do away with the middlemen.

Genuine question mate, if you voted for the tories in Last two elections, why does that not make you a Tory? No opposition?



It makes me a floating voter.

IMO there are the right solutions at the right time. I dislike ideologues from either left or right. Corbyn is the diametric opposite of Truss but would have had the same outcome, chaos.

I am in my mid 50's and voted lib dems until the three Blair elections, back to Clegg :oops: then Boris and May because the opponent was Corbyn

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:38 pm

The pound would plummet if Bonehead is coronated, many Tory MP's have already said they would cross the floor to labour !!!Again turmoil and confusion and for those with mortgages well god help them. Banks and building societies are already making provision for the large numbers of properties which will be repossessed. All this clown cares about is himself and yet he continues to have a brain dead following amongst those very people who have wrecked our economy.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:31 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Starmer looks listless when the Torys are weak.. still won’t give answers to straightforward questions. That’s why nobody knows what he is. As for Rachel Reeves, she backed Ed Miliband. That says much of her.

Neither party appears even mildly competent.


Rachel Reeves is by far away the best candidate for Chancellor from either party. If you based your view of Tory Chancellors on who they had previously backed you wouldn’t trust a single one of them with your kids piggy banks !!

Read Reeves details and about her experience and then tell me a single Tory that can compete with her as a rounded Chancellor.


She backed Ed Miliband, and anyone who supported that big failure has shown an alarming lack of good judgment.
Unless he promised her a job, which would make it worse.

Kids piggy banks all over the UK - look out.

Re: Keir starmer oh the irony

Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:35 pm

After Gordon Brown sold all the gold at teh very bottom of thr market, then his almost criminal PFI policy - tyhat meant a 30million pound hospital would actually cost 300 million with the PFI payments being kept off the books. Then with Tony Blair and introducing the students tuition fees - then the illegal war in Iraq - then Gordon Brown and the massive crash of 2008 - where Brown thought he had saved the world - when it was partly his fault - and the infamous note saying the money is all gone.
The Tories come in - try and clean up the Labour mess - then get hit with covid, cost of living crisis, Ukraine war and Russian gas problem. They then appoint Liz Truss who introduces Keynsian economics (spend spend spend) whicgh is usually a Labour policy - (so you'd think they'd be happy) - her plan though went too far too soo and too fast - so the pensions liquidity measures (bought in by Gordon Brown) meant some pension funds had to sell equity fast etc

Then whenever we have an election Labour will probably get in and the Tories might just as well write Sir Keir a note saying - all the money has gone - just like Labour did to them back in 2010.

The irony of it all.......