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Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:08 pm

Troy Parrot a Manchester United striker 20 years old is being sought by a number of championship teams on loan.
Why is Cardiff city not pursuing a guy like this player?

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:14 pm

waggera wrote:Troy Parrot a Manchester United striker 20 years old is being sought by a number of championship teams on loan.
Why is Cardiff city not pursuing a guy like this player?


How do you know they're not? Because it wasn't on face book or some other website?

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:30 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
Barclay1 wrote:
biglad6 wrote:Part of the b/s has started. Tan has backed me 100% ! Morison obviously has had targets for strikers like he has had for every other position and has been refused, still no strikers 5 days before the season starts. I'm very excited to see the new players but a team with no goals in it will inevitably struggle.


Agree 100%

There have been good signings, but VT backing SM? Backed him with what? ( and please dont say signing on fees) Sorry but no, our signings have been a case of excellent work and management by SM. Tan has spend zero, and should be indebted to SM.

If Tan had 'backed' Morison, wd would have strikers by now.

Im glad there are some on this board who see through the regime.

Success this year will be inspite of not because of the regime.


Fair play to the regime for bringing in 12 players without it negatively affecting the books. Must have a top negotiater working for them :lol:

So would you prefer we spent £2-3mill on a striker, backing the manager in your mind, but then only let Morison bring in a further 3-4 players on freebies, and fill the gaps with youngsters again? Something you regularly criticse the club for doing? That's the reality of the situation. These players do not get paid in hugs and kisses.




Before we all get carried away praising Regime / Managers etc etc


No one knows how we will do? let’s keep our praise or slagging off till say 10-12 games in.

If a miracle is achieved and we are doing well in those first 10-12 games then they both deserve praise, if down in the bottom half , then well you know what will be said.

My view I am very worried , but I will fully back the players and manager and reserve my views till after 10-12 games as I usually do.

So at the moment Morison is more than excited & the media excited beyond, majority of fans as well, here’s to 22,000 fans on Saturday & a City Win and by mid September with how everyone feels going up the Championship.


Positivity.


How well or badly we do isn't whats being discussed though, its if Morison has been backed. These players have not been free and do not play for free. We could spend big money on a player and they turn out to be complete flops - Murphy and cornelius spring to mind. Some of most successful transfers have been freebies, etheridge,Bamba, hoillet.

I'd rather we completely transfer the team with 12 signings than spend big on a striker and only bring in 3-4 players to strengthen elsewhere. As we seen with Moore, a good striker isn't worth shit if he isn't supported and the defence leak goals for fun.




To be fair we’ve cut the budget 5 years running. Now to lower than low.
Last season we had our worst position in the league for 20 years.
I said last year I was worried by throwing in all those players whether they were good enough or not, I got slagged of on here for it.

We are not paying transfer fees, we are paying signing on fees, every club does, but we are paying very low wages for the Championship.

I am worried, but prepared as usual to fully support our players and manager and hope I am proved wrong and we are in top 8 etc.

Now lets get 22,000-25,000 positive fans this Saturday as we’ve had months of unbelievable hype.

I always give everyone a chance and just hope that what we get a good start and keep the fans fully positive and we all give the
10-12 games.


In general I agree with you apart from the "Unbelievable hype" comment. I don't think there has been much hype from the club, Bale aside, and Morison and the transfer committee have just gone about their business under the radar.

The signing on fees will, proportionately, be much higher for us (if not individually) because we've had to sign probably double what other clubs have done.

On the face of it I think we're 2 strikers away from looking very good and certainly a better squad than then last two seasons.

Whether all those signings work is something nobody can predict even though they have all looked pretty good so far.

Time to find out whether Morison's plan is a good one :lol: :lol: :bluebird:

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:45 pm

The rest of the signings will be irrelevant if we cant/dpnt/wont get a goalscorer who is at least capable of 15 goals, I think we will get a few from midfield this season also so if Watters can bang in 15 we should be ok :bluebird:

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:14 pm

SM appears to have done his bit getting players to play a more exciting brand of football. It's up to us fans now to provide the support they'll need if and when things may start to go wrong. Come on City!

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:31 pm

BC-CB wrote:SM appears to have done his bit getting players to play a more exciting brand of football. It's up to us fans now to provide the support they'll need if and when things may start to go wrong. Come on City!



Yes if the fans really believe, a bumper crowd

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:32 pm

Sven wrote:
MikeP wrote:VT has backed SM as long as he's not spending any money, The payroll has be cut dramatically it's about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets and paid out for a good striker. SM h q s done some great work and brought in some really good players but he can't kerp bringing in freebees strikers cost money Mr Tan you know it's that stuff you have millions of, it won't hurt to part with some of it.

So should we add to the already mounting debt whilst also demanding the same debt is cleared?

Just a question and I can see the value in spending to get the right man/men in; but we have been told we need a FFP reset and surely better that than do a Derby/Reading...?


Great post Chris.

It seems that the anti Tan posters just can’t see that there’s a budget and a business plan in place to keep our club sustainable.

“It’s about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets” is laughable.

The same people complaining about the debt probably want it increased by spending millions more!

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:33 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
Barclay1 wrote:
biglad6 wrote:Part of the b/s has started. Tan has backed me 100% ! Morison obviously has had targets for strikers like he has had for every other position and has been refused, still no strikers 5 days before the season starts. I'm very excited to see the new players but a team with no goals in it will inevitably struggle.


Agree 100%

There have been good signings, but VT backing SM? Backed him with what? ( and please dont say signing on fees) Sorry but no, our signings have been a case of excellent work and management by SM. Tan has spend zero, and should be indebted to SM.

If Tan had 'backed' Morison, wd would have strikers by now.

Im glad there are some on this board who see through the regime.

Success this year will be inspite of not because of the regime.


Fair play to the regime for bringing in 12 players without it negatively affecting the books. Must have a top negotiater working for them :lol:

So would you prefer we spent £2-3mill on a striker, backing the manager in your mind, but then only let Morison bring in a further 3-4 players on freebies, and fill the gaps with youngsters again? Something you regularly criticse the club for doing? That's the reality of the situation. These players do not get paid in hugs and kisses.




Before we all get carried away praising Regime / Managers etc etc


No one knows how we will do? let’s keep our praise or slagging off till say 10-12 games in.

If a miracle is achieved and we are doing well in those first 10-12 games then they both deserve praise, if down in the bottom half , then well you know what will be said.

My view I am very worried , but I will fully back the players and manager and reserve my views till after 10-12 games as I usually do.

So at the moment Morison is more than excited & the media excited beyond, majority of fans as well, here’s to 22,000 fans on Saturday & a City Win and by mid September with how everyone feels going up the Championship.


Positivity.


How well or badly we do isn't whats being discussed though, its if Morison has been backed. These players have not been free and do not play for free. We could spend big money on a player and they turn out to be complete flops - Murphy and cornelius spring to mind. Some of most successful transfers have been freebies, etheridge,Bamba, hoillet.

I'd rather we completely transfer the team with 12 signings than spend big on a striker and only bring in 3-4 players to strengthen elsewhere. As we seen with Moore, a good striker isn't worth shit if he isn't supported and the defence leak goals for fun.




To be fair we’ve cut the budget 5 years running. Now to lower than low.
Last season we had our worst position in the league for 20 years.
I said last year I was worried by throwing in all those players whether they were good enough or not, I got slagged of on here for it.

We are not paying transfer fees, we are paying signing on fees, every club does, but we are paying very low wages for the Championship.

I am worried, but prepared as usual to fully support our players and manager and hope I am proved wrong and we are in top 8 etc.

Now lets get 22,000-25,000 positive fans this Saturday as we’ve had months of unbelievable hype.

I always give everyone a chance and just hope that what we get a good start and keep the fans fully positive and we all give the
10-12 games.


In general I agree with you apart from the "Unbelievable hype" comment. I don't think there has been much hype from the club, Bale aside, and Morison and the transfer committee have just gone about their business under the radar.

The signing on fees will, proportionately, be much higher for us (if not individually) because we've had to sign probably double what other clubs have done.

On the face of it I think we're 2 strikers away from looking very good and certainly a better squad than then last two seasons.

Whether all those signings work is something nobody can predict even though they have all looked pretty good so far.

Time to find out whether Morison's plan is a good one :lol: :lol: :bluebird:


I disagree, Morison before the transfers started said he’s never been so excited and every player he has been well chuffed and media Wales have hyped every player , the commercial department have gone big on each one on Twitter.

The fans are roaring, now to take it to the stadium.


Bluebirds

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:13 am

Did n t Roger say that there is money available for the right player?

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:31 am

Bluebird 67 wrote:Did n t Roger say that there is money available for the right player?

Yes i did and that still remains the case :thumbup:

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:52 am

With the comments that its out of our hands and money being available for the right Player

RAMBO?

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:02 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Sven wrote:
MikeP wrote:VT has backed SM as long as he's not spending any money, The payroll has be cut dramatically it's about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets and paid out for a good striker. SM h q s done some great work and brought in some really good players but he can't kerp bringing in freebees strikers cost money Mr Tan you know it's that stuff you have millions of, it won't hurt to part with some of it.

So should we add to the already mounting debt whilst also demanding the same debt is cleared?

Just a question and I can see the value in spending to get the right man/men in; but we have been told we need a FFP reset and surely better that than do a Derby/Reading...?


Great post Chris.

It seems that the anti Tan posters just can’t see that there’s a budget and a business plan in place to keep our club sustainable.

“It’s about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets” is laughable.

The same people complaining about the debt probably want it increased by spending millions more!


For what its worth, my opinion is that the debt is a big worry, but spending more can, at times be used to decrease debt in the mid term.

Buy a decent player(s), he helps you to a higher place finish, possibly promotion, and there you have it, more money.

There needs to be a balance between being risk averse and risk aware. That gives you your risk appetite. We cannot spend multi millions, but we need to take some risks in order to maintain a comptetitiveness.

Taking zero risks have never helped anyone to thrive in business or sport, and has invariably led to downfall as others take measured, calculated risks.

Only my thoughts and opinions.

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:46 am

Barclay1 wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Sven wrote:
MikeP wrote:VT has backed SM as long as he's not spending any money, The payroll has be cut dramatically it's about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets and paid out for a good striker. SM h q s done some great work and brought in some really good players but he can't kerp bringing in freebees strikers cost money Mr Tan you know it's that stuff you have millions of, it won't hurt to part with some of it.

So should we add to the already mounting debt whilst also demanding the same debt is cleared?

Just a question and I can see the value in spending to get the right man/men in; but we have been told we need a FFP reset and surely better that than do a Derby/Reading...?


Great post Chris.

It seems that the anti Tan posters just can’t see that there’s a budget and a business plan in place to keep our club sustainable.

“It’s about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets” is laughable.

The same people complaining about the debt probably want it increased by spending millions more!


For what its worth, my opinion is that the debt is a big worry, but spending more can, at times be used to decrease debt in the mid term.

Buy a decent player(s), he helps you to a higher place finish, possibly promotion, and there you have it, more money.

There needs to be a balance between being risk averse and risk aware. That gives you your risk appetite. We cannot spend multi millions, but we need to take some risks in order to maintain a comptetitiveness.

Taking zero risks have never helped anyone to thrive in business or sport, and has invariably led to downfall as others take measured, calculated risks.

Only my thoughts and opinions.


Usual bollocks, we've Invested on that basis before and look where its got us.(In the current predicament most would say) Madine, Murphy to name but 2 come to mind as an example of our club investing to get to a better place.The EFL is littered with failing clubs thats adopted what you advocate. There are quite a few of our current squad who would command a sizable fee should they come up for sale while under contract. Whats happening now is the exact opposite of the bullshit you are trying to push.

On a different note our chairman is holding a Q+A session on youtube this thursday I think. A great chance for you to put the real truth as you see it as to the main man. We both know you'll be busy with a prior engagement which is a shame as this is your big chance to expose the regime for what it is.You once said on here that you couldn't understand why the city fans were not up in arms about the treatment of our club, well this will be your big chance to show your true colours.

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:57 pm

The fans

Whichever way you look at it, the majority of fans have got what they asked for this summer.


By Glen Williams ( Junior reporter )



They wanted a raft of signings, ones which signal a changing of the guard, and they got just that. Like it or not, a summer like this, with transfer deals being announced left, right and centre, is riveting for football fans. If you're not enthused by them, then let's face it, what's the point?!

There was increased social media activity, more regular videos and interviews in pre-season and fans, generally, appear to feel far more engaged with it all.

Many have yearned for a change of footballing philosophy and they appear to have got just that. They also wanted Joe Ralls to re-sign, tick, and a snazzy new New Balance kit, tick (well, for the large majority, anyway!).

Yes, of course, fans want another striker or two in the building. That is being worked on behind the scenes. But, all things considered, their wishes have been granted this summer. With so much change, it is hoped that will afford the club time to get it right and supporters' patience will stretch a little longer if things don't click immediately on the pitch.

Re: Steve Morison:”Most of its not in our hands anymore, We

Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:53 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:
Barclay1 wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Sven wrote:
MikeP wrote:VT has backed SM as long as he's not spending any money, The payroll has be cut dramatically it's about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets and paid out for a good striker. SM h q s done some great work and brought in some really good players but he can't kerp bringing in freebees strikers cost money Mr Tan you know it's that stuff you have millions of, it won't hurt to part with some of it.

So should we add to the already mounting debt whilst also demanding the same debt is cleared?

Just a question and I can see the value in spending to get the right man/men in; but we have been told we need a FFP reset and surely better that than do a Derby/Reading...?


Great post Chris.

It seems that the anti Tan posters just can’t see that there’s a budget and a business plan in place to keep our club sustainable.

“It’s about time Tan put his hand in his tight pockets” is laughable.

The same people complaining about the debt probably want it increased by spending millions more!


For what its worth, my opinion is that the debt is a big worry, but spending more can, at times be used to decrease debt in the mid term.

Buy a decent player(s), he helps you to a higher place finish, possibly promotion, and there you have it, more money.

There needs to be a balance between being risk averse and risk aware. That gives you your risk appetite. We cannot spend multi millions, but we need to take some risks in order to maintain a comptetitiveness.

Taking zero risks have never helped anyone to thrive in business or sport, and has invariably led to downfall as others take measured, calculated risks.

Only my thoughts and opinions.


Usual bollocks, we've Invested on that basis before and look where its got us.(In the current predicament most would say) Madine, Murphy to name but 2 come to mind as an example of our club investing to get to a better place.The EFL is littered with failing clubs thats adopted what you advocate. There are quite a few of our current squad who would command a sizable fee should they come up for sale while under contract. Whats happening now is the exact opposite of the bullshit you are trying to push.

On a different note our chairman is holding a Q+A session on youtube this thursday I think. A great chance for you to put the real truth as you see it as to the main man. We both know you'll be busy with a prior engagement which is a shame as this is your big chance to expose the regime for what it is.You once said on here that you couldn't understand why the city fans were not up in arms about the treatment of our club, well this will be your big chance to show your true colours.


Your 1st paragraph. So you advocate no clubs should ever spend money on players again.

Your 2nd paragraph does not belong in this thread, is boring and has been answered elsewhere.

You should also learn to curb your disgraceful language.