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Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:10 am

On reflection and with a clear head I was not too disappointed.

My only fear is we fall into the trap of playing the "right way" and forget its all about results. I used to laugh at all the newly qualified coaches playing the right modern way against the Warnock promotion team.
Playing out from the back is great if its designed to create something, doing it for the sake of passing is pointless. Man city barely pulled us out of shape so how were limited ability championship teams going to do that ?

I think we have a "X" factor in Colwell who makes the game look ridiculously easy, work out how he is focal and build a team around him then have a what if he is injured plan B.

I don't think any of them were at the beach or not giving it full gas, there was a lot of experimenting going on. NG is not really a centre half, we removed Dramehs biggest asset by playing him as a full back, I guess some of SM's comments were aimed at Bagan because he looks so unsure of himself again, Colwell is better centrally but needs runners and playing on the flanks takes pace out of the team, Doyle struggled in the more advanced role and without pace up top it allowed Luton to compress the space in the middle and over powered him.

SM and his team probably learned loads for next season. 6 of that team will be with us next season.

I can't wait for the rebuild.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:13 am

Everyone has forgot, we played a injury hit Luton Town on a small budget, at home.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:02 am

Forever Blue wrote:Everyone has forgot, we played a injury hit Luton Town on a small budget, at home.



But they play a way that most on here say they have had a gutsful of.

We know we have a poor unbalanced squad. Football isn't a science the sum of Lutons parts is greater than the individual parts, ours isn't and our parts are not that good.

SM will have the opportunity that many managers never get, space and budget for about 10 fresh faces. DJ and Malky had that I just hope SM doesn't mess it up.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:18 am

I just find it astounding that Morison is clearly trying new formations, giving kids a chance, looking at combinations, etc., yet he's being hammered for losing narrowly to the 4th placed team :banghead:

So basically what people are saying is that experiment all you like but woe betide you if you lose :roll: :lol:

There is progress, anyone at the game could see that. There were a few breaks and moves in both halves that were outstanding and a long way from what we have had to endure previously.

What we lack is putting chances away, and that is the next problem for Morison to solve.

By the way, if I see another post telling me we should have appointed Nathan Jones as manager I'll scream !! Watching Luton yesterday was like going back to the Warnock/McCarthy way of playing. Body checks off the ball, Hugill being wrestled for every challenge, long balls from the back, late tackles going in whilst ref wasn't looking. That's what most of us wanted to get away from, no wonder he failed at Stoke after they had built a squad that could actually play rather than follow the Pullis way.

Our fans are passionate, but there is a proportion of fans that simply won't give new managers a chance, particularly if they look to change the way we play.

Don't get me wrong, the Swansea performance was indefensible and if we're in the relegation scrap by end of October next season then my support for Morison will have dissipated, but at the moment I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing with the players available to him.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:32 am

piledriver64 wrote:I just find it astounding that Morison is clearly trying new formations, giving kids a chance, looking at combinations, etc., yet he's being hammered for losing narrowly to the 4th placed team :banghead:

So basically what people are saying is that experiment all you like but woe betide you if you lose :roll: :lol:

There is progress, anyone at the game could see that. There were a few breaks and moves in both halves that were outstanding and a long way from what we have had to endure previously.

What we lack is putting chances away, and that is the next problem for Morison to solve.

By the way, if I see another post telling me we should have appointed Nathan Jones as manager I'll scream !! Watching Luton yesterday was like going back to the Warnock/McCarthy way of playing. Body checks off the ball, Hugill being wrestled for every challenge, long balls from the back, late tackles going in whilst ref wasn't looking. That's what most of us wanted to get away from, no wonder he failed at Stoke after they had built a squad that could actually play rather than follow the Pullis way.

Our fans are passionate, but there is a proportion of fans that simply won't give new managers a chance, particularly if they look to change the way we play.

Don't get me wrong, the Swansea performance was indefensible and if we're in the relegation scrap by end of October next season then my support for Morison will have dissipated, but at the moment I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing with the players available to him.




Morison played virtually a fully strength side, never really played any new youngsters??? The match was dire. We lost to a injury torn team , who have a small club with little money etc

Our fans deserve better.

If we had played all these so called exciting new youngsters that are all coming through , I would accept the defeat , but we are actually played a virtually full strength side.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:51 am

We are week in week out consistently going behind to our opponents and struggle to come back

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:41 am

few observations i noted from yesterdays game,

we seemed to be playing a back 4, with Davies and Colwill either side of the flanks, however both played very narrow, offering no width, a few times we had the ball especially in the first half, and players were looking to knock the ball wide but Davies was on the inside and not making any runs wide

they targeted Perry NG, everytime they had a goal kick, or free kick, they put their striker on Perry and targetted him, this isn't a question of quality etc, just as the short man they tried to exploit that

us on the other hand, seemed to play it down the middle, and after about 4/5 times their back line just pushed up a bit further making Hugil have to drop deeper, and the ball usually sailed over his head

Bagan did not look confident with the ball yesterday, he was our width in the game, and when he got the ball, rather than charge down the space, he would stop, look to pass, at one point there was a corner, i cannot for the life of me remember if it our corner or theirs, but the ball came over and i remember him ducking, i think his confidence is shot.

Vaulks, Doyle with Wintle didn't work in midfield, they were 3 similar players, Doyle + Wintle with Rubin ahead of them would of been alot more productive

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:44 am

Well just finished watching the game again and I'm of the same mind as yesterday and that is the match was played like a pre season friendly. Having said that we could and should of won that game having had much the best chances but like so often this season having failed to take our chances, well the result was almost inevitable.

Someone commented yesterday that they thought we had been Warnock'd by Luton and that was spot on as they looked to stop the flow of the game winning cheap free kicks and a couple of times in the first half their keeper holding up play by not putting the ball back into play until Hughill ran 30 yards towards him. On one occasion he used up 40 seconds and that was in the first 1/4 of the game.

SM was clearly trying different things with the group he had available and, not having a go at SM here, players seemed to be trying to adapt to the system yesterday. No problem with that if SM can't do it now when can he? One thing which was most noticeable was the lack of long throws from Vaulks in the match, I think the first was in the 90th minute. At one stage in the first half Vaulks can be seen asking if he should go and take a long throw and SM sends him back to the middle of the pitch.

Good luck to Luton they worked hard and got their reward but I'm left feeling if the positions were reversed SM would have set us up to have a real go, it seems to me NJ set Luton up to give little away and take their chances when they arrived.

Despite the new system and being Warnock'd by Luton we still had the better chances so maybe this season should be parked, what's gone is gone but maybe SM has a plan and ALL he needs is support from the board to deliver it.


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Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:34 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I just find it astounding that Morison is clearly trying new formations, giving kids a chance, looking at combinations, etc., yet he's being hammered for losing narrowly to the 4th placed team :banghead:

So basically what people are saying is that experiment all you like but woe betide you if you lose :roll: :lol:

There is progress, anyone at the game could see that. There were a few breaks and moves in both halves that were outstanding and a long way from what we have had to endure previously.

What we lack is putting chances away, and that is the next problem for Morison to solve.

By the way, if I see another post telling me we should have appointed Nathan Jones as manager I'll scream !! Watching Luton yesterday was like going back to the Warnock/McCarthy way of playing. Body checks off the ball, Hugill being wrestled for every challenge, long balls from the back, late tackles going in whilst ref wasn't looking. That's what most of us wanted to get away from, no wonder he failed at Stoke after they had built a squad that could actually play rather than follow the Pullis way.

Our fans are passionate, but there is a proportion of fans that simply won't give new managers a chance, particularly if they look to change the way we play.

Don't get me wrong, the Swansea performance was indefensible and if we're in the relegation scrap by end of October next season then my support for Morison will have dissipated, but at the moment I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing with the players available to him.




Morison played virtually a fully strength side, never really played any new youngsters??? The match was dire. We lost to a injury torn team , who have a small club with little money etc

Our fans deserve better.

If we had played all these so called exciting new youngsters that are all coming through , I would accept the defeat , but we are actually played a virtually full strength side.


How many youngsters do you want in the team at any one time ? Bagan, Colwill, Harris and Davies all played plenty of minutes yesterday. Add Drameh and Doyle to that and that's a pretty young average age at any given time on the pitch for yesterday with Wintle (who was outstanding) in only his first season in the Championship.

He's played Denham recently and given McGuinness a rest.

But the biggest experiment continues to be the formation. Morison is trying out moving to a back 4 and then working out the other areas of the pitch. He's tried it with 2 upfront (Davies and Uche against Hull), yesterday was Hugill on his own with Colwill and Doughty just behind him, Reading it was Hugill and Colwill upfront virtually.

He's even experimented with centre backs and, much to my surprise !!, Nelson seems to be twice the player as part of a back 4 with Ng alongside him.

I fully expect these changes to continue, so preparation for next season isn't just about the youngsters, even though he is doing that, but about finding the best formation for particular games and the best partnerships within that.

Re: MY VIEW: IT FELT LIKE PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY BY CARDIFF FOR

Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:08 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Everyone has forgot, we played a injury hit Luton Town on a small budget, at home.


They’re 4th and pushing for automatic promotion. They, and their small budget, have beaten plenty of teams at home this season.