' THE WHOLE CARDIFF TEAM BOOED '

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Two years of knees, unbelievable and shocking and this just divides people.

Football is about football and that’s how it should be.

I go to watch a football match, not see this crap every game, Cardiff let’s move on from it please

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Wow,

Ian, shocking and freedom of speech totally banned ??

If our team want to kneel that's up to them.It's called living in the free world.
Millwall fans had the right to boo.Our players have the right to kneel.
There's many people leaving under dictatorships who would love the choice.

But they don't represent the fans do they?

This action has caused so much divide it should stop now. I don't hear any applause when they do it so why continue?

Not sure what point you are trying to make here re. it not representing the fans. If the players want to do it and choose to do it, then they should be allowed to do it. If they don’t want to do it, then they shouldn’t have to. Since when has it ever been about representing the fans?

Anything other is a restriction on their freedom or right of speech/action.

Nobody is compelled to applaud (by the way there is plenty of applause at home games and Wales games) and nobody has to boo. If either is done that is also by choice.

In terms of it creating division? Has it? Something will only create division if an individual/group wants it to. If they stop it now, it just creates a different form of division for those players/fans that want it to continue.

Personally I’ve never understood how someone can take offence at an action that has no direct consequence to them and takes up all of a few seconds.

If our team want to kneel that's up to them.It's called living in the free world.
Millwall fans had the right to boo.Our players have the right to kneel.
There's many people leaving under dictatorships who would love the choice.

But they don't represent the fans do they?

This action has caused so much divide it should stop now. I don't hear any applause when they do it so why continue?

Not sure what point you are trying to make here re. it not representing the fans. If the players want to do it and choose to do it, then they should be allowed to do it. If they don’t want to do it, then they shouldn’t have to. Since when has it ever been about representing the fans?

Anything other is a restriction on their freedom or right of speech/action.

Nobody is compelled to applaud (by the way there is plenty of applause at home games and Wales games) and nobody has to boo. If either is done that is also by choice.

In terms of it creating division? Has it? Something will only create division if an individual/group wants it to. If they stop it now, it just creates a different form of division for those players/fans that want it to continue.

Personally I’ve never understood how someone can take offence at an action that has no direct consequence to them and takes up all of a few seconds.

But do the players want to do it? From what I have heard a number of the don't but feel compelled to do it.

And yes it has created division. If the fans were untied about it then you would see everyone applauding it but all I see are a small minority clapping.

And as far as you and taking it personal well all I see in you from your posts is My way or no way attitude. You have not showed any sign of understanding other opinions or wanting too. I have a gut feeling I know who you are.

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The actions of 2 individuals mean that it’s hypocritical for black people to not be racially abused according to nukes, and he claims he’s not a racist

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

Not quite sure where you get your FACTS from - BLM Weekly no doubt. But from your language you are probably one of these people who see everything in race terms. Cant remember seeing "racism alive and kicking" at the City for at least 30 years. Most people at Cardiff neither boo nor applaud. Everyone i know are in this category -and I believe we are in the VAST majority-we all disagree with the knee but wouldnt boo it.

My view again, I am 1,000% against our players doing the knee, that’s how I feel.

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

If our team want to kneel that's up to them.It's called living in the free world.
Millwall fans had the right to boo.Our players have the right to kneel.
There's many people leaving under dictatorships who would love the choice.

But they don't represent the fans do they?

This action has caused so much divide it should stop now. I don't hear any applause when they do it so why continue?

Not sure what point you are trying to make here re. it not representing the fans. If the players want to do it and choose to do it, then they should be allowed to do it. If they don’t want to do it, then they shouldn’t have to. Since when has it ever been about representing the fans?

Anything other is a restriction on their freedom or right of speech/action.

Nobody is compelled to applaud (by the way there is plenty of applause at home games and Wales games) and nobody has to boo. If either is done that is also by choice.

In terms of it creating division? Has it? Something will only create division if an individual/group wants it to. If they stop it now, it just creates a different form of division for those players/fans that want it to continue.

Personally I’ve never understood how someone can take offence at an action that has no direct consequence to them and takes up all of a few seconds.

But do the players want to do it? From what I have heard a number of the don't but feel compelled to do it.

And yes it has created division. If the fans were untied about it then you would see everyone applauding it but all I see are a small minority clapping.

And as far as you and taking it personal well all I see in you from your posts is My way or no way attitude. You have not showed any sign of understanding other opinions or wanting too. I have a gut feeling I know who you are.

I don’t know if they want to do it, but I didn’t claim that I did know. I just said if they want to, it is their choice to…they aren’t doing it for the fans as you claimed/suggested. If they are doing it then it is for themselves or for the club…and if it is the former who are you or I to say that they shouldn’t.

I’m not sure what in any of my posts you get the impression ‘it’s my way or or no way’, but happy to be enlightened. Even in my last one, I couldn’t have been clearer that if people want to clap they are entitled to and if people want to boo they are entitled to.

But IF the minority clap, then even fewer boo or show disdain towards it. It certainly doesn’t mean that just because not everyone applauds that people are divided. If that was the standard, nobody would ever be united.

And you’ll have no idea who I am, as I have no idea who you are.

Out of interest, what action to show the need to tackle racism would you take. It’s fine to suggest something isn’t working, but there has to be an alternative.

Ignore it.

We will always have racism like we will always have stealing. Stealing you get punished for while racism is punished by hate speech. So report it and let the authorities deal with it. Get on with your life and don't feed it.

Unfortunately I just feel some cultures within our society need it to survive. Hence they make such an issue of it all to promote their causes.

What else to suggest.. how about nicking people who break the law. That’s it.

But nah, we all have to show we’re less racist than the next guy, you can’t say that joke, that’s not very pc, safe space, how do you feel..

How do I feel.. unless you’re my Dr, f-off.

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

Sky and the rest of the MSM couldn’t wait to jump on the BLM Marxist band wagon, while the meaningless kneeling was going on they were wearing badges supporting them. BLM/Antifa then went on to attack British monuments including Cenotaphs. The knee taking, in our country, will therefore always be associated with BLM. Interesting Tommy Robinson left the EDL years ago yet it’s always tagged onto him whenever he’s reported. It’s almost as if Leftwangers have a double standard.

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

Sky and the rest of the MSM couldn’t wait to jump on the BLM Marxist band wagon, while the meaningless kneeling was going on they were wearing badges supporting them. BLM/Antifa then went on to attack British monuments including Cenotaphs. The knee taking, in our country, will therefore always be associated with BLM. Interesting Tommy Robinson left the EDL years ago yet it’s always tagged onto him whenever he’s reported. It’s almost as if Leftwangers have a double standard.

No it won't.

Taking the knee was, and still is, a general sign of allegiance. In less modern times it was often a way of pledging allegiance to the king/queen and is why people still take the knee when being knighted, etc.

It has been that way for hundreds of years, BLM only started using it in the least few years so I completely disagree that it will always be associated with BLM in this country, US maybe, but not here.

Many people very year will take the knee infront of our monarch and I've seen nothing to indicate that will change anytime soon.

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

Sky and the rest of the MSM couldn’t wait to jump on the BLM Marxist band wagon, while the meaningless kneeling was going on they were wearing badges supporting them. BLM/Antifa then went on to attack British monuments including Cenotaphs. The knee taking, in our country, will therefore always be associated with BLM. Interesting Tommy Robinson left the EDL years ago yet it’s always tagged onto him whenever he’s reported. It’s almost as if Leftwangers have a double standard.

No it won't.

Taking the knee was, and still is, a general sign of allegiance. In less modern times it was often a way of pledging allegiance to the king/queen and is why people still take the knee when being knighted, etc.

It has been that way for hundreds of years, BLM only started using it in the least few years so I completely disagree that it will always be associated with BLM in this country, US maybe, but not here.

Many people very year will take the knee infront of our monarch and I've seen nothing to indicate that will change anytime soon.

It will always be associated with BLM, except by you.
As for your earlier claim about racism it’s always existed in all races but, in my experience, it’s never been a big problem at Cardiff. A lot of race grifters make a lot of money exaggerating it, if the literally hundreds of “anti racist” groups don’t keep finding racism they won’t get their tax payer funded salaries.in my opinion BLM have massively increased racial divisions in this country and multi millionaire footballers taking a knee won’t help that.

:lol:

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

Sky and the rest of the MSM couldn’t wait to jump on the BLM Marxist band wagon, while the meaningless kneeling was going on they were wearing badges supporting them. BLM/Antifa then went on to attack British monuments including Cenotaphs. The knee taking, in our country, will therefore always be associated with BLM. Interesting Tommy Robinson left the EDL years ago yet it’s always tagged onto him whenever he’s reported. It’s almost as if Leftwangers have a double standard.

No it won't.

Taking the knee was, and still is, a general sign of allegiance. In less modern times it was often a way of pledging allegiance to the king/queen and is why people still take the knee when being knighted, etc.

It has been that way for hundreds of years, BLM only started using it in the least few years so I completely disagree that it will always be associated with BLM in this country, US maybe, but not here.

Many people very year will take the knee infront of our monarch and I've seen nothing to indicate that will change anytime soon.

It will always be associated with BLM, except by you.
As for your earlier claim about racism it’s always existed in all races but, in my experience, it’s never been a big problem at Cardiff. A lot of race grifters make a lot of money exaggerating it, if the literally hundreds of “anti racist” groups don’t keep finding racism they won’t get their tax payer funded salaries.in my opinion BLM have massively increased racial divisions in this country and multi millionaire footballers taking a knee won’t help that.

I think we'll have to agree to differ !

Although I certainly agree that it hasn't been a big problem at Cardiff which is great and should be celebrated.

Important to note that the original post was about us taking the knee and Millwall not doing so. My point is that in terms of racism we should always probably do the opposite of Millwall.

As someone who has been to Millwall pubs with a mate before games (not ours, I'm not that stupid ), I can absolutely assure you that the link between Millwall and EDL and other right wing groups is as strong as it always has been.

That cannot be ignored or put down to some anti racist groups going out and looking for it as you describe. It's there out in the open for all to see and the police and others just turn a blind eye despite people (often women and children) who don't have the same cultural upbringing having to run the gauntlet of abuse just walking past a particular pub on match day.

:lol:

So we get booed at one, overtly racist supported club, and that makes it a wrong decision ?

On Wednesday Peterborough stood in respect, same sentiment different gesture.

At virtually every other ground the VAST majority applaud.

Anyone disagreeing is in the tiny minority, FACT.

Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking and a joint act of solidarity against it is not something that should be booed.

Clubs like Millwall should be ashamed, not us.

People boo the taking of the knew because its association with the Marxist organisation BLM. An organisation that is on the same level of racism than the National Front.

Exactly right
All people need to do is a simple google search of the BLM organisation. Whilst they do this they should also search for where the millions of pounds in donations have gone. I dont boo, i just cringe in truth , as none of the players know the true meaning of what they are kneeling for

Get your facts right before you argue on this.

You are correct that initially taking the knee was a political gesture, I wouldn’t condone that.

But the Premier and Football League have made it clear that the gesture is not connected to BLM and that it is a simple gesture against racism.

Don’t try and dress it up any way. Millwall would boo any gesture against racism and I’m proud that the vast majority of my club’s supporters applaud that gesture.

I hate racists and I hate apologists for racism. How else do you suggest we make a stand ?

Time for people to take a look at themselves. Too many “I’m not a racist but ……….” people about. It’s not right so call it out.

So if the BNP do the Nazi Salute you’d be ok with it as long as they said it no longer had anything to do with Nazism?

I thought long and hard about dignifying that with a response.

The history and meaning of those two gestures is massively different.

Taking the knee, historically, is a gesture to show support. That could be support for anyone/anything and was well established well before BLM.

I don’t believe we should support BLM but I do believe we should show support against the racism that is still clearly out there.

Let me know if you want me to explain the history and meaning of the Nazi salute !!!!!!!!

Sky and the rest of the MSM couldn’t wait to jump on the BLM Marxist band wagon, while the meaningless kneeling was going on they were wearing badges supporting them. BLM/Antifa then went on to attack British monuments including Cenotaphs. The knee taking, in our country, will therefore always be associated with BLM. Interesting Tommy Robinson left the EDL years ago yet it’s always tagged onto him whenever he’s reported. It’s almost as if Leftwangers have a double standard.

No it won't.

Taking the knee was, and still is, a general sign of allegiance. In less modern times it was often a way of pledging allegiance to the king/queen and is why people still take the knee when being knighted, etc.

It has been that way for hundreds of years, BLM only started using it in the least few years so I completely disagree that it will always be associated with BLM in this country, US maybe, but not here.

Many people very year will take the knee infront of our monarch and I've seen nothing to indicate that will change anytime soon.

It will always be associated with BLM, except by you.
As for your earlier claim about racism it’s always existed in all races but, in my experience, it’s never been a big problem at Cardiff. A lot of race grifters make a lot of money exaggerating it, if the literally hundreds of “anti racist” groups don’t keep finding racism they won’t get their tax payer funded salaries.in my opinion BLM have massively increased racial divisions in this country and multi millionaire footballers taking a knee won’t help that.

I think we'll have to agree to differ !

Although I certainly agree that it hasn't been a big problem at Cardiff which is great and should be celebrated.

Important to note that the original post was about us taking the knee and Millwall not doing so. My point is that in terms of racism we should always probably do the opposite of Millwall.

As someone who has been to Millwall pubs with a mate before games (not ours, I'm not that stupid ), I can absolutely assure you that the link between Millwall and EDL and other right wing groups is as strong as it always has been.

That cannot be ignored or put down to some anti racist groups going out and looking for it as you describe. It's there out in the open for all to see and the police and others just turn a blind eye despite people (often women and children) who don't have the same cultural upbringing having to run the gauntlet of abuse just walking past a particular pub on match day.

The majority of Millwall supporters are not racist at all.

I went to their training ground while working in London and most of them were Black. So to indicate its a racist club is ignorant.

When they have had a racist incident at their club, you can find clips on Youtube about it, they have acted very quickly to give the culprits a life time ban.

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Those same fans walked from the pub with us into the ground. There were significant numbers of then and yes, they were openly racist.

Millwall FC themselves know they have a problem and are trying to stamp it out but it's organised by far right ideologists.

I agree, there are racists in many clubs (probably including our own) but they are not open about like I have seen at Millwall. The only other club that comes close is Stoke in my experience but I haven't been to every ground or been with the home fans like I have in those two.

The whole of society are very touchy these days the slightest thing said out of line and everything's up in the air
and has been imo since it. all started with salmen rushedy saying something about the prophet
I was taught as a child sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never harm me
i never take offence when called a taffy i accept it jocks paddy etc
I just feel everybody jumps on the bandwagon racist this racist that
Frightened to fart these days without someone taking offence
granted in a resteraunt is a bit below
but it really is getting redicioulous
i go back to rushdy who started saying things about the phrophet in public
and had some thing put on him to be killed for just saying something.

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Those same fans walked from the pub with us into the ground. There were significant numbers of then and yes, they were openly racist.

Millwall FC themselves know they have a problem and are trying to stamp it out but it's organised by far right ideologists.

I agree, there are racists in many clubs (probably including our own) but they are not open about like I have seen at Millwall. The only other club that comes close is Stoke in my experience but I haven't been to every ground or been with the home fans like I have in those two.

The Labour Party has a problem, but it’s organised by far left ideologists.. and Keir does little to stamp it out.

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Those same fans walked from the pub with us into the ground. There were significant numbers of then and yes, they were openly racist.

Millwall FC themselves know they have a problem and are trying to stamp it out but it's organised by far right ideologists.

I agree, there are racists in many clubs (probably including our own) but they are not open about like I have seen at Millwall. The only other club that comes close is Stoke in my experience but I haven't been to every ground or been with the home fans like I have in those two.

The Labour Party has a problem, but it’s organised by far left ideologists.. and Keir does little to stamp it out.

What the hell has the Labour party and/or Keir Starmer got to do with this thread

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Those same fans walked from the pub with us into the ground. There were significant numbers of then and yes, they were openly racist.

Millwall FC themselves know they have a problem and are trying to stamp it out but it's organised by far right ideologists.

I agree, there are racists in many clubs (probably including our own) but they are not open about like I have seen at Millwall. The only other club that comes close is Stoke in my experience but I haven't been to every ground or been with the home fans like I have in those two.

The Labour Party has a problem, but it’s organised by far left ideologists.. and Keir does little to stamp it out.

What the hell has the Labour party and/or Keir Starmer got to do with this thread

Well you don't hear people booing Starmer do you?

Are you being serious ?

If you are then that is why there is racism in football

Just because their club has a good proportion of black players doesn't mean there is no racism in their fanbase/club What a bizarre comment

I do agree the ownership has been working hard to tackle things but it's a million miles away from cracking it.

So are you saying most of Millwall fans are racist?

And I never said there was no racism. What I said is what racism they have picked up on they have dealt with it. For the record those incidents it was just one individual NOT a stand full of them.

Yes I'm serious. Millwall fans are not racist, well all of them I know which is quite a few are not. I've been there many times and have never heard them say boo our black players or sang any racist songs. It seems to me you are judging them by a few drunk idiots in a pub that most likely are not fans f the club at all.

Those same fans walked from the pub with us into the ground. There were significant numbers of then and yes, they were openly racist.

Millwall FC themselves know they have a problem and are trying to stamp it out but it's organised by far right ideologists.

I agree, there are racists in many clubs (probably including our own) but they are not open about like I have seen at Millwall. The only other club that comes close is Stoke in my experience but I haven't been to every ground or been with the home fans like I have in those two.

The Labour Party has a problem, but it’s organised by far left ideologists.. and Keir does little to stamp it out.

What the hell has the Labour party and/or Keir Starmer got to do with this thread

Well you don't hear people booing Starmer do you?

Now I really am confused !!!!!

Bizarre !!