CARDIFF CITY FC: TO CHARGE FANS £1 EXTRA TO PAY FOR DAMAGE

I'll be firing off a few emails to the clowns at the club who decided this was a good move.

I'll be at Barnsley tonight and I need to collect my ticket from our support staff. I know these guys quite well and I will be asking them to send a message back to whoever decided on this that I will not be attending another away game until they retract this.

Great minds eh!?!

I'm going to use it as a maths problem during a lesson today - I know its a basic one, but there's a bit of research and then some rounding. Might even throw in some estimation.

Great for GCSE Numeracy at the level they work at.

I teach a couple of lads who are football mental so anything footy related draws them in - even if its the actions of some morons.

It'll be surrounded by the basics of the transfer window - who's earning what over a year at the headline newspaper reported rates, then factor in the basics of income tax and NI even though footballers will have ways around the standard tax system. We might also look at agents on 10, 15 or x%. We will certainly compare it to average earnings and their perceptions of what they will earn when they are old enough.

Sorry sven, you' ve got that wrong. Floppy said he'd read somewhere else that the club has said they were just doing this . Many people on this forum would like to know if any of the supporters representatives actually agreed to this. I presume many of them read this forum daily so could they confirm who said what to whom about this. If we heard it directly from them then everything would be a lot clearer. Again anyone who supposedly agreed to this care to shed any light on the conversation with the club?

Away days are usually good day out. But we do have a certain level of moron who treats the away day experience as a chance to have a scrap and then think they can do some criminal damage - and blame it on the beer afterwards.

Surely Bristol have cctv ? - pass it over to the club - identify the people involved and then either prosecute them for criminal damage - or just ban them for life

Well, to say I'm disgusted with this would be and understatement. The club have got this completely wrong and shot themselves in the foot - who is responsible for this decision? Wayne Nash?

The club are effectively punishing all our amazing away fans for something they didn't do, as it was just a few 'wannabe hooligan' idiots who caused the damage and evident to all on the widely publicised camera footage that the idiots took and socialised. The police and club have this evidence and should simply be pursuing the few perpetrators, not punishing the fans who were not responsible.

Is this some sort of poorly thought out PC PR exercise as it says the club are working with the 'Stay Away' anti-social behaviour group? I also can't believe any of our supporters groups would agree with this decision and at least before consulting their members.

I think it's an insult to our fans and also tars all of us who travel with the same brush because of the actions of a few.

Like many, I've travelled away for many years and I'm proud of the fans who make the effort and go to the expense. It's an insult by the club to punish them and also tarnish them like this.

The club has historically done next to nothing to support away fans but always say the empty comments of how fantastic they are. I've always felt that they should be doing much more to show their appreciation and this decision proves to me they just simply don't care, just taken for granted and with this ridiculous punishment, looked down upon.

I'll be firing off a few emails to the clowns at the club who decided this was a good move.

Paul, I'm told the (nominal) Chief Operations Manager was party to this daft decision, as he is with many others (daft decisions) that seek to benefit his own agendas rather than those that benefit the club's supporters

I honestly cannot remember the last time the supporters were put first since he was unexpectedly parachuted in to place; starting with killing a lot of the atmosohere in the CCS

This tweet is the only justification I can think of for it, and even then it’s a stretch.

Maybe the club just wants us to batter the pricks ourselves

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Well, to say I'm disgusted with this would be and understatement. The club have got this completely wrong and shot themselves in the foot - who is responsible for this decision? Wayne Nash?

The club are effectively punishing all our amazing away fans for something they didn't do, as it was just a few 'wannabe hooligan' idiots who caused the damage and evident to all on the widely publicised camera footage that the idiots took and socialised. The police and club have this evidence and should simply be pursuing the few perpetrators, not punishing the fans who were not responsible.

Is this some sort of poorly thought out PC PR exercise as it says the club are working with the 'Stay Away' anti-social behaviour group? I also can't believe any of our supporters groups would agree with this decision and at least before consulting their members.

I think it's an insult to our fans and also tars all of us who travel with the same brush because of the actions of a few.

Like many, I've travelled away for many years and I'm proud of the fans who make the effort and go to the expense. It's an insult by the club to punish them and also tarnish them like this.

The club has historically done next to nothing to support away fans but always say the empty comments of how fantastic they are. I've always felt that they should be doing much more to show their appreciation and this decision proves to me they just simply don't care, just taken for granted and with this ridiculous punishment, looked down upon.

I'll be firing off a few emails to the clowns at the club who decided this was a good move.

Paul, I'm told the (nominal) Chief Operations Manager was party to this daft decision, as he is with many others (daft decisions) that seek to benefit his own agendas rather than those that benefit the club's supporters

I honestly cannot remember the last time the supporters were put first since he was unexpectedly parachuted in to place; starting with killing a lot of the atmosohere in the CCS

Chris, it wouldn't surprise me at all if 'Lawnmower Man' had something to do with this, he's just plain incompetant and really doesn't like the fans. The club need to immediately reverse this decision, apologise and then actually do something practical to support our amazing away fans which is something they've never done.

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I think it's a clever move by the club. While it is of course unfair for the away supporters who didn't cause any damage, you would hope that it makes the idiots think twice before further behaviour, knowing they could be punishing their fellow fans.

However, I see both sides of the argument.

As long as at the same time the club continue to identify and idiots who caused the damage.

I'll be firing off a few emails to the clowns at the club who decided this was a good move.

I'll be at Barnsley tonight and I need to collect my ticket from our support staff. I know these guys quite well and I will be asking them to send a message back to whoever decided on this that I will not be attending another away game until they retract this.

I don't blame you at all mate. It's an insult, pure and simple and a kick in the face by the club to its fans.

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That's a silly tweet.

I don't think it is relevant to conflate players salaries with fans who committed a criminal offence and damaged property, that we will now all have to pay for.

I think it's a clever move by the club. While it is of course unfair for the away supporters who didn't cause any damage, you would hope that it makes the idiots think twice before further behaviour, knowing they could be punishing their fellow fans.

However, I see both sides of the argument.

As long as at the same time the club continue to identify and idiots who caused the damage.

I'm sure that the clown who came up with this ridiculous idea factored your point into it. It's completely backfired - a clever decision it is certainly not.

I think it's a clever move by the club. While it is of course unfair for the away supporters who didn't cause any damage, you would hope that it makes the idiots think twice before further behaviour, knowing they could be punishing their fellow fans.

However, I see both sides of the argument.

As long as at the same time the club continue to identify and idiots who caused the damage.

I'm sure that the clown who came up with this ridiculous idea factored your point into it. It's completely backfired - a clever decision it is certainly not.

Maybe. Let's see.

Clever it isn't

I know its only a quid a ticket, but to supporters like myself who were pondering the journey of starting aways, its another reason to say no.

Why should I pay to put right something I had nothing to do with. I certainly won't be offering to take the lads mates on odd aways as a treat.

I think it's a clever move by the club. While it is of course unfair for the away supporters who didn't cause any damage, you would hope that it makes the idiots think twice before further behaviour, knowing they could be punishing their fellow fans.

However, I see both sides of the argument.

As long as at the same time the club continue to identify and idiots who caused the damage.

This is where my head is at on it as well.

Of course innocent fans shouldn’t be paying for it and frankly anybody caught doing it should be banned from home and away games.

However if they’re moronic enough to do that in the first place, not sure whether give a dam about other fans.

However if now puts the spotlight firmly on anyone who did do it or trying to do it again - no way that 1000+ Innocent away fans are going to let a dozen or so get away with it if it is seen happening again.

Great minds eh!?!

I'm going to use it as a maths problem during a lesson today - I know its a basic one, but there's a bit of research and then some rounding. Might even throw in some estimation.

Great for GCSE Numeracy at the level they work at.

I teach a couple of lads who are football mental so anything footy related draws them in - even if its the actions of some morons.

It'll be surrounded by the basics of the transfer window - who's earning what over a year at the headline newspaper reported rates, then factor in the basics of income tax and NI even though footballers will have ways around the standard tax system. We might also look at agents on 10, 15 or x%. We will certainly compare it to average earnings and their perceptions of what they will earn when they are old enough.

Remember though the extra £1 is only on adult tickets, not kids or oaps.

Also is the £50k cost figure just speculation or has it been quoted anywhere?

Now the Beeb are covering it:

Cardiff City FC say they are increasing away ticket prices to pay for damage caused by fans at a recent match.

The club offered to pay for the repairs after supporters damaged the toilets at Bristol City's Ashton Gate stadium.

Photos and video posted on social media showed extensive damage to roofing and cabling at the Championship ground.

Cardiff said they had banned three supporters, and would be adding £1 to the cost of adult and young adult tickets from 12 February at Millwall.

The club said it had made the decision "in consultation with Cardiff City supporter bodies".

"We are currently in the process of working with South Wales Police and Avon & Somerset Police to hold the persons who caused the damage at Ashton Gate accountable for their reprehensible actions," the club added in a statement.


See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60215525

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Now the Beeb are covering it:

Cardiff City FC say they are increasing away ticket prices to pay for damage caused by fans at a recent match.

The club offered to pay for the repairs after supporters damaged the toilets at Bristol City's Ashton Gate stadium.

Photos and video posted on social media showed extensive damage to roofing and cabling at the Championship ground.

Cardiff said they had banned three supporters, and would be adding £1 to the cost of adult and young adult tickets from 12 February at Millwall.

The club said it had made the decision "in consultation with Cardiff City supporter bodies".

"We are currently in the process of working with South Wales Police and Avon & Somerset Police to hold the persons who caused the damage at Ashton Gate accountable for their reprehensible actions," the club added in a statement.


See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60215525

Thanks, Paul

Some intersting reading highlighted in there and it raises questions:

1: If the club itself 'offered' to pay for repairs, then surely it is now their obligation and any seeking of recompense should be taken against the idiots who carried out the wanton and brainless attack?


2: If (currently) three idiots (not supporters in any sense of the word) and hopefully more to follow, have been identified and 'banned', then why has this 'Toilet Tax' been levied on those who didn't partake in the lunacy?

Surely, said 'identification' of participants means they now have proper routes of recompense?

Equally, can they be named and shamed?


3: It also says the 'Toilet Tax' decision was made (quote) "in consultation with Cardiff City supporter bodies", then someone from the 'consulted' needs to come out and make a statement as to exactly what that means?


It may be completely innocent, i.e. it was more a telling than a consultation, or they were asked their opinion and therefor became part of the process?

Certainly, the club and any parties involved in said 'Toilet Tax' have so far acted in a very arbitary way

If they know who did it then City should seek an indemnity from them.
City had no legal obligation to pay and have done the honourable thing but they should possibly have not punished the law abiding fans.

The club haven't said that the 3 banned fans were responsible for the damage. They've been banned for their behaviour 'within the stadium bowl' which implies to me its within the view of the pitch, not under the stand. So I don't think They've identified them as being responsible for the toilet damage. The club statement has been edited for the BBC article snd seems a bit misleading in that respect I think.

This is crazy and just plain wrong.
If any of the perpetrators are known they should cough up between them .
Otherwise , why worry if someone else is gonna foot the bill , so if it happens again the other supporters will just have to cough up more .
Total disregard for the true supporters of this club .

Absolutely crazy. Let's punish everyone instead of the moronic few

Now the Beeb are covering it:

Cardiff City FC say they are increasing away ticket prices to pay for damage caused by fans at a recent match.

The club offered to pay for the repairs after supporters damaged the toilets at Bristol City's Ashton Gate stadium.

Photos and video posted on social media showed extensive damage to roofing and cabling at the Championship ground.

Cardiff said they had banned three supporters, and would be adding £1 to the cost of adult and young adult tickets from 12 February at Millwall.

The club said it had made the decision "in consultation with Cardiff City supporter bodies".

"We are currently in the process of working with South Wales Police and Avon & Somerset Police to hold the persons who caused the damage at Ashton Gate accountable for their reprehensible actions," the club added in a statement.


See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60215525

Thanks, Paul

Some intersting reading highlighted in there and it raises questions:

1: If the club itself 'offered' to pay for repairs, then surely it is now their obligation and any seeking of recompense should be taken against the idiots who carried out the wanton and brainless attack?


2: If (currently) three idiots (not supporters in any sense of the word) and hopefully more to follow, have been identified and 'banned', then why has this 'Toilet Tax' been levied on those who didn't partake in the lunacy?

Surely, said 'identification' of participants means they now have proper routes of recompense?

Equally, can they be named and shamed?


3: It also says the 'Toilet Tax' decision was made (quote) "in consultation with Cardiff City supporter bodies", then someone from the 'consulted' needs to come out and make a statement as to exactly what that means?


It may be completely innocent, i.e. it was more a telling than a consultation, or they were asked their opinion and therefor became part of the process?

Certainly, the club and any parties involved in said 'Toilet Tax' have so far acted in a very arbitary way

Exactly Chris,

BIG QUESTIONS NEED TO ASKED / HOW THEY CAME TO THESE DECISIONS???

The three who have been banned are the pitch invaders at our cup game.

I love the notion that insurance covers all ills. If "insurance" covers it the effect will be largely the same and ticket prices will rise to cover the hike in insurance premiums clubs have to pay. Though I doubt mindless vandalism would be covered by insurance.

Its no different to car insurance going up to cover claim culture, false claims, scams and bad driving. Reality is we are all paying for other peoples "mistakes" all the time.

The three who have been banned are the pitch invaders at our cup game.

So not the 'Twyford Three', then...?
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The three who have been banned are the pitch invaders at our cup game.

So not the 'Twyford Three', then...?
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I've just had it confirmed that the three 'banned' were for the pitch encroachment and held their hands up before receiving 5 game bans with no police involvement

Some credit to those, if they accepted their daft actions in the hope a lesson has been learned; particularly as I know firsthand that the one was 'egged on' by his brother and so-called 'mates'

The toilet wreckers are still being sought, so the 'Toilet Tax' remains

I now understand it but, like most others, I don't necessarily appreciate it and hope the culprits are caught and taken to financial task to save others having to pay for their wanton and insane wrecking spree