Well done the transfer committee

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

So you posted this to get a reaction?

I won't oblige apart from saying that if you feel such a'committee' deserves a 'well done' then your perfectly entitled to your opinion.

You telling someone they've only posted to get a reaction couldn't be any more hypocritical

So you posted this to get a reaction?

I won't oblige apart from saying that if you feel such a'committee' deserves a 'well done' then your perfectly entitled to your opinion.

Nope just posted it coz I feel its been a good transfer window for us and the committee is blamed all the time by some but I feel they've been good this month. Hope it continues.

Absolutely.

So Barclay are you saying in the evidence so far this has been a poor transfer window driven by the Transfer Committee !?

I won't backtrack on what I have said in a previous thread that in terms of numbers it's been a decent window.

We are still trusting to luck, the signings, certainly based on today, give hope to avoid the drop, but they are all kids, bar Hugill, who have cost little to nothing.

I won't be fooled Into thinking the TC have suddenly come to their senses, and neither do I believe the TC have opened or loosened the purse strings. The signings are cheap. If the TC were to authorise much needed guile and experience tbat would cost a salary, not necessarily a fee, then I might give them some slack.

At the end of the day, a TC is a ridiculous unnecessary body that a manager of a Championship Football club should not have to put up with. Do they not trust the manager?

Should we really be allowing Non footballing individuals decide who is good for us and who is not.

Me? They should stick with the running of the club not the playing side. It's their interference that has got us into this mess with their negligent management of the playing side.

When football men like Malky, Ole and Warnock signed players like

Velikonja
Cornelius
Brayford
Odemwingie
Kim Bo
Le Fondre
Various Norwegians
Macheda
Adeyemi
Digkacoi
Madine
Murphy
Vassell
Bogle
Bacuna

Is it any wonder Tan developed a committee.

When was this committee formed?

6 years ago wasn’t it?

I mean please feel free to take off the signings by Warnock then. However it was quite clear a lot of trust was placed in Warnock. Probably rightly so after the job he did with players like Etheridge, NML etc.

So what’s your point?

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

Value of the squad is probably similar to what it was the week after we sold our captain (Kavanagh) to avert administration.

Earnie had already been sold and the following summer Collins and Gabbiadon would be sold for 3 million combined.

We finished 16th that year and had an average crowd of 11000.

Our debts were significantly higher than our assets and the stadium was merely a pipe dream.

Great bit of business this January, all the loans are exciting players with points to prove ,long may it continue ,Wintle coming back is like a new signing too.

Your having a giraffe mate, 27 games to finally see one good. near the bottom of the Championship and a fucked up squad , let’s see how we are come May, if they done this goid then we will be up at say 8 in Championship

Not like you to be negative when, for once, all around you are being positive, fella...

It's been a long time coming as a performance and a result, so just sit back and enjoy it or what is the point of you being (or at least calling yourself) a Bluebird supporter?

I seem to recall you were amongst the 'Tan happy to let us sink and we won't sign anyone' Brigade, too...!

So many were in that brigade. No signings followed by only Drameh and we can’t afford Doyle (he signed) followed by thats it for signings (two more signed). Four players in yet all that can be said is ‘it’s one good performance’.

Even then ‘Hugill can’t play’ then he scores after 6 minutes.

The information being pushed out lately is miles off.

We have been shit. Mistakes have been made. They have been rectified in the January transfer window which was the first opportunity to do so.

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

Value of the squad is probably similar to what it was the week after we sold our captain (Kavanagh) to avert administration.

Earnie had already been sold and the following summer Collins and Gabbiadon would be sold for 3 million combined.

We finished 16th that year and had an average crowd of 11000.

Our debts were significantly higher than our assets and the stadium was merely a pipe dream.

Love it Neil,

Losing the argument once again that he starts.

So he changed the subject , I think you need to look back at those days, Ramsey, Gunter, Ledley, Loovens etc etc etc £30mins worth.
We were top in Oct by 5 clear points.


Riddler then took us down the the league.



Please answer what is our squad worth now? ??

So you posted this to get a reaction?

I won't oblige apart from saying that if you feel such a'committee' deserves a 'well done' then your perfectly entitled to your opinion.

Nope just posted it coz I feel its been a good transfer window for us and the committee is blamed all the time by some but I feel they've been good this month. Hope it continues.

Yeah definitely posted to get a reaction. Perhaps you are hoping to entice Dalman ad Choo to come and buy a bag of chips of you.

There are anti Tan threads and comments made on a daily basis on here. Which, let's face it, are made made to get a reaction. Even if that was wez's intentions, its no different to the anti tan stuff, it's just you don't agree with it.

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

Value of the squad is probably similar to what it was the week after we sold our captain (Kavanagh) to avert administration.

Earnie had already been sold and the following summer Collins and Gabbiadon would be sold for 3 million combined.

We finished 16th that year and had an average crowd of 11000.

Our debts were significantly higher than our assets and the stadium was merely a pipe dream.

Love it Neil,

Losing the argument once again that he starts.

So he changed the subject , I think you need to look back at those days, Ramsey, Gunter, Ledley, Loovens etc etc etc £30mins worth.
We were top in Oct by 5 clear points.


Riddler then took us down the the league.



Please answer what is our squad worth now? ??

In your mind I’m losing the argument but absolutely I am not. Granted it’s not as clear as when piledriver or Wez rinse you.

Gunter went for 1.5 million. Ledley was free. Loovens 3 million. None of those were relevant at the time I am talking about.

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

What a strange comment !!

So because I am happy for a season of transition with my football team you question my ambitions in life I don't have to justify anything in my life to you but just to put your mind at rest I have had a a pretty successful life thanks very much. Properties, no mortgages, just about to retire relatively young and, most importantly, a very happy family with whom I will now be spending much more time with.

Any businessman knows that at some point there will be difficult times where you have to re-calibrate, consolidate and then decide which way you need to go next. That's exactly where the club is right now.

For the first time in years we have a young manager with a vision and, finally, the building blocks in place to sustain the club through our academy and training set up.

I fully acknowledge that the value of the squad is much lower than it has been for a while but I think we all recognise that this summer we have a rare opportunity to make some huge, long lasting changes with a high number of the big earners coming to the end of their contracts and the power, for once, lying with the club to decide who goes or stays with the added advantage of not being tied to players, should things go wrong and Morison not building on his promising start, any new manager having a clean slate.

The value of the squad could also increase very quickly too. By the end of this season we will have worked out which of the youngsters will have a future. Isaak Davies, Colwill, McGuinness are already worth money and, that could double if they build on their promising starts by the summer. There are one or two others still in the U23s that I think have a better chance of making it than people like Harris and Bagan who look to be struggling and we may well start to see them now that Morison is happier with the balance he has.

We'll then be looking at the next in-take with a couple of the under 16s already being tipped to be better than the current group by some well respected coaches and pundits.

Wyntle, Ng and, possibly, Watters are already worth more than we paid for them and that is the clear plan now, buy cheap and early and then develop them to either progress the first team or sustain us financially which is exactly the model your mate Sam tried and failed with as there wasn't the infrastructure in place that we now have (e.g. academy status, etc.).

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

I have been thinking exactly the same for the last 5wks.

What is funny is that people on here with an agenda actually believe that other clubs don't have things like the Transfer Committee

They may not name it as such but the committees exist throughout the bigger clubs. The manager will have a say but, ultimately, they have teems of people looking at players and then the "committees" decide on which ones are doable and start the discussions with the managers/coaches from there in most clubs.

Where I would agree with some of the concerns is that the committee must have some footballing input. But, in our case, that is provided by the manager and his team.

To be fair Harris and Morison have done well in recent windows. This latest window has, on the face of it, been the best one for a while so either the committee is better than we thought or, more believably, the committee is getting some really good input from the manager which is exactly how this should work. It means no more "dodgy" deals like under Mackay, OGS and Warnock with a degree of governance behind everything.

Looking at some of the comments from the "bring back Sam brigade" I find it pretty sad that many are clearly begrudging not only the win yesterday but the fact that Morison has stuck to his guns and gone out and found the players that fit how he sees the future.

The fact that these signings are "cheap" and on loan means nothing as long as they put in the performances and looking at the spirit and effort put in by the likes of Doyle, Hugill, Drameh, etc., I'd rather that than players like Bacuna on £20k+ per week or Moore sulking because he can't manage on £12k per week despite jumping at it when he moved from Wigan !!

Hugill has gone for biggish money in the past when signed for West Ham and Norwich so he's no mug. I still remember the outcry when we signed Bothroyd as he'd had years of under performing and that didn't go too badly

Now, make no mistake, we are still in trouble but yesterday was the first game in a season or two where I was up off my seat for most of the game with the team clearly up for it, challenging for everything and playing some bloody good football in the process.

It is only a start but come on, let's have some credit where it's due, we're in a way different place to where we were after the Bristol game last weekend already so surely we're allowed some optimism behind the constant sniping ?

So If your happy to be struggling the majority of the season near the bottom, I’m not and just have a look at our crowds.

I am ambitious in life and so should our club be, you might not be, but most people are.

We have been appalling this season and that’s due to your famous clown Committee not knowing a thing about football.

Morison was only allowed loans as long as he put players out on loan and yet again we sell.


Please answer this, what is the Value of our squad ?

What a strange comment !!

So because I am happy for a season of transition with my football team you question my ambitions in life I don't have to justify anything in my life to you but just to put your mind at rest I have had a a pretty successful life thanks very much. Properties, no mortgages, just about to retire relatively young and, most importantly, a very happy family with whom I will now be spending much more time with.

Any businessman knows that at some point there will be difficult times where you have to re-calibrate, consolidate and then decide which way you need to go next. That's exactly where the club is right now.

For the first time in years we have a young manager with a vision and, finally, the building blocks in place to sustain the club through our academy and training set up.

I fully acknowledge that the value of the squad is much lower than it has been for a while but I think we all recognise that this summer we have a rare opportunity to make some huge, long lasting changes with a high number of the big earners coming to the end of their contracts and the power, for once, lying with the club to decide who goes or stays with the added advantage of not being tied to players, should things go wrong and Morison not building on his promising start, any new manager having a clean slate.

The value of the squad could also increase very quickly too. By the end of this season we will have worked out which of the youngsters will have a future. Isaak Davies, Colwill, McGuinness are already worth money and, that could double if they build on their promising starts by the summer. There are one or two others still in the U23s that I think have a better chance of making it than people like Harris and Bagan who look to be struggling and we may well start to see them now that Morison is happier with the balance he has.

We'll then be looking at the next in-take with a couple of the under 16s already being tipped to be better than the current group by some well respected coaches and pundits.

Wyntle, Ng and, possibly, Watters are already worth more than we paid for them and that is the clear plan now, buy cheap and early and then develop them to either progress the first team or sustain us financially which is exactly the model your mate Sam tried and failed with as there wasn't the infrastructure in place that we now have (e.g. academy status, etc.).

This.

It was always said rather be blue in league two. Also said about the debt yet now we are doing something to sort that which will involve a consolidation season lack of ambition is cited.

I’m just resolved that some will have a pop at Tan whatever they do and will never give credit when on the whole the club is being run better than it was under the owner they want back.

That’s not a dig at Sam just stating a fact. Sam did great for this club and only a fool would say otherwise and he left the club better in so many ways. However he also left us precariously placed financially. Before him we knew what we were and that was a club in the lower echelons who bounced between the two bottom leagues, had the odd good season but lived within our means (sort of) but no risk of going bust. Sam raised the water level considerably however when he first lost total control and then left we were mid table Championship having sold most of our best players. The we were top bollocks was little to do with Sam. Any signings made has to be run past Riddler and the PMG guys and Sam was a token owner by then. He had lost control. Very likely he still was involved with the football side and it would be this role that he would absolutely thrive in with someone looking after the money side. It’s a pity this never materialised with him and Tan.

Tan has raised that water level again quite a lot. Two premier league seasons. Multiple 10 million plus signings, stadium expanded, training facilities improved, academy improved (hence the push to use these players he was undoubtedly told were ready). This is why this season is so disappointing. We are so very far below where we have been before. The Championship is meant to be easy. There was real threat of relegation and Tan has acted. Within the parameters of FFP he has strengthened the squad considerably. Even though it was said he wouldn’t. Then it would be only one player, then only two and you get the picture.

However as piledriver so eloquently puts it, there is real hope now moving on. The football being played since Morison took over is significantly improved. There has been no striker to put the ball in the end though so hopefully Hugill can be that player. We are going to reduce the bloated wage bill considerably by being able to be picky over who we keep and who we bring in. The budget is decent for a championship club and year after year more players are being released or out of contract. Good players who can revitalise the squad. Much like what Malky did his first season as manager.

Most of all we are doing this in blue.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

Well he has similar views to many others on here.

Do we all work for the club?

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

So a couple of well articulated posts and suddenly the comeback is that they must therefore work for the club?

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

So a couple of well articulated posts and suddenly the comeback is that they must therefore work for the club?

It’s the fallback option of those two when they are losing.

Each has their own fallback. The how much is the squad worth now is the main one. 600 million spent used to be until Keith smashed that apart.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

So a couple of well articulated posts and suddenly the comeback is that they must therefore work for the club?

It’s the fallback option of those two when they are losing.

Each has their own fallback. The how much is the squad worth now is the main one. 600 million spent used to be until Keith smashed that apart.

Where am I losing then? I asked the question and whoever it is has not answered. That makes me a loser then in your own mind?

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

So a couple of well articulated posts and suddenly the comeback is that they must therefore work for the club?

There have been lots of articulated answers on here over the years but only now has the reply been this. I'm having to take it this guy is from the club as he refuses to answer my question.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I’d love to work in any department at the club. Alas, it’s just the opinion, supported by some facts from a long term ST holder.

As I’ve said for a long time (years) - this board have got many things wrong, there is much that they could have done better, there is a lot that they have to deal with out of their control and there is plenty that they have got right. But look into any football club or any business and you’ll find exactly the same story.

Every opinion and pov is valid…I just think it’s important that if one side of the debate is so Anti Tan, there is some balance…every owner (past, present or future) is going to divide opinion but I don’t think it is helpful to constantly have a very one sided view.

All this talk of a lack on ambition is nonsense - ambition is relative for a start.

Secondly we have spent crap loads on money on players over the seasons - most that the managers wanted (listen to how Warnock used to praise this board) but many have turned out to be crap. Is that he TC or the manager - to me it’s pretty clear it is the later.

Thirdly, we just had a quiet summer - again all down to the board or were players put off by the thought of playing Mick ball. Can you imagine Man City loaning us one of their brightest young players last August?

Fourthly - in the summer before this one the club got in Moore, Ojo, Wilson and that kid from Arsenal before he got injured. That was a pretty decent window.

Finally, take a look at our net spend relative to other clubs over the last couple of seasons - we aren’t the best but we are by now means the worst either.

Of course the club have got stuff wrong and of course a lot of money has been wasted over the years - but we are also in incredibly challenge Financial Times at a macro level and the club is struggling financially through past decisions so a reset it needed and the approach at the moment seems sensible

I don’t think it is fair to say they lack ambition though but also relevant to look at the fate of some of those clubs below us who have seemingly chased that ‘ambition’ almost to the brink of costing them their existence.

so what department do you work in at CCFC?

I too have asked this same question.

So a couple of well articulated posts and suddenly the comeback is that they must therefore work for the club?

There have been lots of articulated answers on here over the years but only now has the reply been this. I'm having to take it this guy is from the club as he refuses to answer my question.

I’ve just answered you and confirmed that I am nothing to do with the club - I run a business but it is far from the world of football.

This isn’t a new set of opinons/facts that I have shared - those facts have always been there if people are prepared to look e.g Last summer a crap window, summer before a decent one.

If you look through all my posts, I’ve taken a relatively balanced view although I’ll freely admit I’m more pro Tan than Anti…and that is largely driven by the fact that the club has been relatively stable during his stewardship ((although that could change) and the absence of a credible alternative to Tan.