VINCENT TAN TIME TO BITE THE BULLET

Would' nt it be nice to have recieved a meassage perhaps for fans
from tan or dalhman at the end of this year and
as to where we are going in 22
rather than most fearing the worst and we seem to be totaly rudderless and its very frustrating
And i suppose us fans could give more support by turning up in more numbers and perhaps vocally showing our dismay as to how things are going
and the lack of communication between fans and the board
its a big shame to see our attendances plummeting and most of the blame is from the board and the silence is deafening.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

I’m coming round to the idea that we must change to avoid a real slippery slope. Annis, do you think Sam has a chance of buying us or would VT block every move?

VT dislikes him that much and would hate Sam to be our saviour , so will block every attempt.

Would' nt it be nice to have recieved a meassage perhaps for fans
from tan or dalhman at the end of this year and
as to where we are going in 22
rather than most fearing the worst and we seem to be totaly rudderless and its very frustrating
And i suppose us fans could give more support by turning up in more numbers and perhaps vocally showing our dismay as to how things are going
and the lack of communication between fans and the board
its a big shame to see our attendances plummeting and most of the blame is from the board and the silence is deafening.

Their is NO communication and the last two meetings they were smug and not interested.

In fairness to you, yes, thats how I saw it.... I should have been more clear. 2nd half was men against boys.

Our midfield was sitting so deep, and the distance between the midfield and attack was so big, we couldn't string anything together.

2nd half our defence simply wanted to clear, or if they did try and pass they passed themselves Into a corner and into trouble. If we managed to get the ball in their half, there was zero support.

We won nothing in the air, but, as you say on another day, while we had less 1st half chances, they were the best of the game.

Annis - is was a genuine question about the fit and proper persons test that the FA conduct and nothing to do with court cases, relegations etc.

I support the club not who owns it. Do I care about how the club is run, yes of course I do.

Both have good points and bad points. I do not sit on one side or the other.

With regards to youth coming through to you have to drip feed them in. I work heavily with youth both at under 23 and under 19 level and agreed you don’t get ten coming all at once you are lucky to get one a year if that.

Have a good New Year and looking forward to watching Balearas when they down my way in January and February for a couple of games.

First of Dobbins is very well liked by the FA and has many many friends.

Sam would have No problems at all being accepted.

Youth well you can see now that they through them all in as they are clueless and it’s backfired.

Happy New Year Dobbins to you and your family


Baleares

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

I’m coming round to the idea that we must change to avoid a real slippery slope. Annis, do you think Sam has a chance of buying us or would VT block every move?

Andrew, sorry to butt in but I know VT would block any move that involved Sam taking back control and sadly more for personal than business reasons

I've spoken to Annis at length on this subject and I know both his passion and his knowledge on the topic and it's difficult not to see his point of view when he states it

Where we might differ on opinion is where Tan is vilified for keeping our club afloat; partucularly during this period of pandemic, where so many clubs, owners, businesses are taking a battering, including the Berjaya Corporation itself

What cannot be argued is the poor decision making prior to that, which has led to the club now being in a worse place, although not financially, than it was when he (or TG) arrived in the first place

That, for me, is a travesty in itself

It has been suggested, and I think most would appreciate that the Sala situation has played a large part in the current situation, so between that and other financial restraints, it is not a good time

According to independent legal experts, the Sala deliberation could go either way and will have a profound affect (positive or negative) on the club's finances going forward in the short to medium term

No matter what happens, if not now, we then need a clear and informative statement of intent from the owner with regard to his personal ambition/intent for the club going forward

I'm neither pro or anti-Tan, as I see some positives and some negatives of his tenure as temporary custodian of our club; but his next actions (replacing the politician more than the amiable Ken Choo with a football man would be a start) will shape his permanent legacy at the club positively or negatively for most

Interesting times ahead....

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

I’m coming round to the idea that we must change to avoid a real slippery slope. Annis, do you think Sam has a chance of buying us or would VT block every move?

Andrew, sorry to butt in but I know VT would block any move that involved Sam taking back control and sadly more for personal than business reasons

I've spoken to Annis at length on this subject and I know both his passion and his knowledge on the topic and it's difficult not to see his point of view when he states it

Where we might differ on opinion is where Tan is vilified for keeping our club afloat; partucularly during this period of pandemic, where so many clubs, owners, businesses are taking a battering, including the Berjaya Corporation itself

What cannot be argued is the poor decision making prior to that, which has led to the club now being in a worse place, although not financially, than it was when he (or TG) arrived in the first place

That, for me, is a travesty in itself

It has been suggested, and I think most would appreciate that the Sala situation has played a large part in the current situation, so between that and other financial restraints, it is not a good time

According to independent legal experts, the Sala deliberation could go either way and will have a profound affect (positive or negative) on the club's finances going forward in the short to medium term

No matter what happens, if not now, we then need a clear and informative statement of intent from the owner with regard to his personal ambition/intent for the club going forward

I'm neither pro or anti-Tan, as I see some positives and some negatives of his tenure as temporary custodian of our club; but his next actions (replacing the politician more than the amiable Ken Choo with a football man would be a start) will shape his permanent legacy at the club positively or negatively for most

Interesting times ahead....

Chris, you’re always welcome to jump in whenever you like mate.
What you have written is pretty much my thoughts exactly. The silence from the hierarchy at the club is deafening atm.

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

Sadly your right.


But they have a couple of reporters in Media Wales now who do their dirty work.
Blame others for everything that has gone wrong.

Get the media to make out every player is like a star and then we get so let down.

They don’t communicate direct to the fans.

Annis - is was a genuine question about the fit and proper persons test that the FA conduct and nothing to do with court cases, relegations etc.

I support the club not who owns it. Do I care about how the club is run, yes of course I do.

Both have good points and bad points. I do not sit on one side or the other.

With regards to youth coming through to you have to drip feed them in. I work heavily with youth both at under 23 and under 19 level and agreed you don’t get ten coming all at once you are lucky to get one a year if that.

Have a good New Year and looking forward to watching Balearas when they down my way in January and February for a couple of games.

I

First of Dobbins is very well liked by the FA and has many many friends.

Sam would have No problems at all being accepted.

Youth well you can see now that they through them all in as they are clueless and it’s backfired.

Happy New Year Dobbins to you and your family


Baleares

With the youth the only one who could not see it would work was the ones up top. A mixture of senior players, young hungry loan players mixed with a couple of the exceptional under 23s should have more than seen us ok.

Now we are in a scrap with so many senior players out of form and as they coming to end of contracts give the impression they not dying for the cause.

The gamble has not paid off. Whatever happens in the summer we need a reset from top to bottom - whether we go down or not there is never a better time to do it,

It’s a shame we are not all party to the information of the turned down bids as maybe peoples opinions could change or would assist in debating however understand the importance of confidentiality. (There is so much I have been told about clubs, managers and agents including Cardiff that you would not believe through being in and around the game but have to respect your sources).

Need a run of wins just to pull in the team above us

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

I dont think they have, tan has kept us going throygh the most difficult of times globally! Yes he could say something (Tan) but in all honesty it would fall on a lot of deaf ears!! My belief is ecven if he threw another 100m at the club, if we werent succesful(promotion to the premier league) he would then be villified for increasing our debt, etc etc.
I notice a lot of previous managers seem to be dafe from flack, even though they too jad their part to play, both on the committee, and in real truth, as the only football savvy people on it! Look at warnocks spending, which is sort of glossed over because he got us promotion, bacuna, 4 yr deal, and no relegation clause? Glatzel 5.5m then tries to change him into a target man!surely when he scouted him, he would of noticed that simply wasnt the way he was taught to play! When played correctly, with the right players, he showed he knew where the goal was.plus why such an inflated price, when 6mths earlier, he was a ailable for around 500k?? The two mckay brothers?? Certain players bever getting dropped, regardless of form! Josh murphy for 11m? He was and still isnt, worth around a quarter of th as t fee!, add bacunas wage to his wages, and he too has cost us a small fortune! Others are guilty of spending the owners money with total abandonment!! Not all an be just the rest of the committees fault? They were taken in by the experienced manager,to buy players, at a price the mangers ckearly saw as fair.( imho, some backhanders were clearly a part of these ridiculous deals)

Tan, Choo and Dalman are the most clueless idiots to ever take over a football team.

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

I dont think they have, tan has kept us going throygh the most difficult of times globally! Yes he could say something (Tan) but in all honesty it would fall on a lot of deaf ears!! My belief is ecven if he threw another 100m at the club, if we werent succesful(promotion to the premier league) he would then be villified for increasing our debt, etc etc.
I notice a lot of previous managers seem to be dafe from flack, even though they too jad their part to play, both on the committee, and in real truth, as the only football savvy people on it! Look at warnocks spending, which is sort of glossed over because he got us promotion, bacuna, 4 yr deal, and no relegation clause? Glatzel 5.5m then tries to change him into a target man!surely when he scouted him, he would of noticed that simply wasnt the way he was taught to play! When played correctly, with the right players, he showed he knew where the goal was.plus why such an inflated price, when 6mths earlier, he was a ailable for around 500k?? The two mckay brothers?? Certain players bever getting dropped, regardless of form! Josh murphy for 11m? He was and still isnt, worth around a quarter of th as t fee!, add bacunas wage to his wages, and he too has cost us a small fortune! Others are guilty of spending the owners money with total abandonment!! Not all an be just the rest of the committees fault? They were taken in by the experienced manager,to buy players, at a price the mangers ckearly saw as fair.( imho, some backhanders were clearly a part of these ridiculous deals)

The point is Tan has not kept us going, Parachute payments have.

Tan and his Committee have made all the debts and have been in charge of everything from top to bottom.

We are in worse than a mess caused by them after running us for 12 yrs.

Lower crowds, fighting relegation, squad virtually worthless and the debt higher than before he came here 12 yrs ago.

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

I dont think they have, tan has kept us going throygh the most difficult of times globally! Yes he could say something (Tan) but in all honesty it would fall on a lot of deaf ears!! My belief is ecven if he threw another 100m at the club, if we werent succesful(promotion to the premier league) he would then be villified for increasing our debt, etc etc.
I notice a lot of previous managers seem to be dafe from flack, even though they too jad their part to play, both on the committee, and in real truth, as the only football savvy people on it! Look at warnocks spending, which is sort of glossed over because he got us promotion, bacuna, 4 yr deal, and no relegation clause? Glatzel 5.5m then tries to change him into a target man!surely when he scouted him, he would of noticed that simply wasnt the way he was taught to play! When played correctly, with the right players, he showed he knew where the goal was.plus why such an inflated price, when 6mths earlier, he was a ailable for around 500k?? The two mckay brothers?? Certain players bever getting dropped, regardless of form! Josh murphy for 11m? He was and still isnt, worth around a quarter of th as t fee!, add bacunas wage to his wages, and he too has cost us a small fortune! Others are guilty of spending the owners money with total abandonment!! Not all an be just the rest of the committees fault? They were taken in by the experienced manager,to buy players, at a price the mangers ckearly saw as fair.( imho, some backhanders were clearly a part of these ridiculous deals)

The point is Tan has not kept us going, Parachute payments have.

Tan and his Committee have made all the debts and have been in charge of everything from top to bottom.

We are in worse than a mess caused by them after running us for 12 yrs.

Lower crowds, fighting relegation, squad virtually worthless and the debt higher than before he came here 12 yrs ago.

Some blame the managers for the waste of money in the transfer market. They might have a point but who allowed this all to happen? I recall other club questioning our dealing here. Acorn being a prime example where I know Leicester showed interest but priced him around £500k and not the £8m we paid. Was Madine worth £6 million? Tomlin and Vassel with their reputations were they worth it? Bacuna is the latest waste.

Who should take the blame for all this waste of money?

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

FOREVER BLUE.

It really does seem to me the owner and board have stuck 2 fingers upto to the fans
at the very least we used to have some sort of a statement from dalhman as to what the plan was going forward
but hace not heard anything i can recall since before we got promoted .

I dont think they have, tan has kept us going throygh the most difficult of times globally! Yes he could say something (Tan) but in all honesty it would fall on a lot of deaf ears!! My belief is ecven if he threw another 100m at the club, if we werent succesful(promotion to the premier league) he would then be villified for increasing our debt, etc etc.
I notice a lot of previous managers seem to be dafe from flack, even though they too jad their part to play, both on the committee, and in real truth, as the only football savvy people on it! Look at warnocks spending, which is sort of glossed over because he got us promotion, bacuna, 4 yr deal, and no relegation clause? Glatzel 5.5m then tries to change him into a target man!surely when he scouted him, he would of noticed that simply wasnt the way he was taught to play! When played correctly, with the right players, he showed he knew where the goal was.plus why such an inflated price, when 6mths earlier, he was a ailable for around 500k?? The two mckay brothers?? Certain players bever getting dropped, regardless of form! Josh murphy for 11m? He was and still isnt, worth around a quarter of th as t fee!, add bacunas wage to his wages, and he too has cost us a small fortune! Others are guilty of spending the owners money with total abandonment!! Not all an be just the rest of the committees fault? They were taken in by the experienced manager,to buy players, at a price the mangers ckearly saw as fair.( imho, some backhanders were clearly a part of these ridiculous deals)

The point is Tan has not kept us going, Parachute payments have.

Tan and his Committee have made all the debts and have been in charge of everything from top to bottom.

We are in worse than a mess caused by them after running us for 12 yrs.

Lower crowds, fighting relegation, squad virtually worthless and the debt higher than before he came here 12 yrs ago.

Some blame the managers for the waste of money in the transfer market. They might have a point but who allowed this all to happen? I recall other club questioning our dealing here. Acorn being a prime example where I know Leicester showed interest but priced him around £500k and not the £8m we paid. Was Madine worth £6 million? Tomlin and Vassel with their reputations were they worth it? Bacuna is the latest waste.

Who should take the blame for all this waste of money?

Sadly the committee are non football people, so ran the club at the word of the manager regarding players, and their worth, remember warnick saying he had scouted glatzel and wanted him? Where was his or his sidekicks due diligence in that deal alone? From 500k to 5.5m in less than 6 months?? Madie, bacuna, the didgy mckay boys dealvassel the list is long, so for me yhe manager, and his scouting team must take a portion of the blame! I see someone mentioned lower crowds under tan, well after hammam sold gabbidon earnie kavaagh and co, the previous season, although well placed in the league, our crowds were the 5th lowest in the division!sam was even interviewed and couldnt explain why we were averaging around the 10/11 k mark, saying we budgeted for average 13k crowds to break even! We are losing 300k per every 1k below that "break even" 13k!
Also quoted as saying we were "growing fast, maybe too fast" wtf?
How can you grow too fast? Also said we were 30m in debt as he made mistakes, so selling our stars"had to happen" the part that got me was, he couldnt figure out why the fans were staying away? He sold our heroes,but thought it wouldnt affect the crowds?? At least we got koumas loovens and co i guess, but some were still angry at the fire sale of stars. We were 8th and attracting 8k for a home game.so crowds are a fickle subject regards whats deemed as "successful owners" as crowds usually always increase with the team doing well, but that season hammam lost a fair amount at the ground as far as suppot goes.
He did with no question raise the profie of the club, and there were exiting times on the pitch, with good football, and some great players, I used to wonder"what if" we had got to the premier league with him, but sadly we fell short a few times!
The "dream team" for me would be Tan/hammam. But we know that isnt going to happen, sad, because i believe their combined wealth and knowledge of businesses and football, we really could go places.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

Surely mr tan has to do sometbing morrison flint bacuna out and now giles gone how bad does it have to get and what is mr dalhman doing i am doing my bit paying through the turnstile etc.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

That’s your opinion and I totally disagree with you and under Tan we are 100% not heading in the right direction.

Can you name all these court cases Sam lost as you keep saying without any facts ? ? ?

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

That’s your opinion and I totally disagree with you and under Tan we are 100% not heading in the right direction.

Can you name all these court cases Sam lost as you keep saying without any facts ? ? ?

I mean HMRC not looking to wind us up for unpaid tax is a positive for me. That’s a decent direction.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

That’s your opinion and I totally disagree with you and under Tan we are 100% not heading in the right direction.

Can you name all these court cases Sam lost as you keep saying without any facts ? ? ?

I mean HMRC not looking to wind us up for unpaid tax is a positive for me. That’s a decent direction.

So take away the fact he is the money man where else is he taking us forward?

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

That’s your opinion and I totally disagree with you and under Tan we are 100% not heading in the right direction.

Can you name all these court cases Sam lost as you keep saying without any facts ? ? ?

I mean HMRC not looking to wind us up for unpaid tax is a positive for me. That’s a decent direction.

Under Sam???


What’s happening to our club at the moment???

Cant afford to buy a player or even a quality loan signing ??

Crowds are getting lower before this ban.

Near the bottom of the Championship.

Squad virtually worthless.


Debt more than 15 yrs ago.

For those in the know of Sam - Would Sam pass the fit and proper persons to run the football club, as when they look into finances etc his track record is not the best with Wimbledon and Cardiff and am sure this would be taken into account.

Out here there are several investors that look to buy clubs for whatever reason that get turned down.

People could be debating something that could not happen even if Tan did decide to sell to him.

The best solution I think many have stated would have been the pair of them working together. Unfortunately it does not look like either will back down which is a shame for the club.

Are you serious?


Dobbins,

Sam has won every court case , only given success to clubs, never been relegated, owes No one anything and it was media bullshit that hounded Sam.

Were Paul Guy / Mile Hall / PMG good for Cardiff?????

If we stay with Tan, We will end up eventually sliding down the leagues, a higher debt and attendances falling rapidly which they have been.

People have their opinions and are right to but at least back them with facts.

I noticed the last month most of Tans followers have gone underground.

We threw 10 players in from Our U23 Squad knowing they were not good enough most of them and then blame managers once again.

Anyway I can see you don’t want Sam, but I can tell you now as I stated in July we are in big trouble on and off under this Regime.

Sam has not won “every” court case!!

You know that, I know that and everyone capable of searching the internet knows that.

Even some of the cases he did win were at a massively lower figure than that set out in his original statement of claim.

I accept what you say about his wealth now but let’s not start re-writing history again.

Show me one he has lost please?


Actually the figures ended up higher and more costly to Tan .

There were 20-30 High Court and County Court cases towards the end of his tenure at the club where judgment was entered against us. Some were big debts others were small, independent suppliers.

So in no way did Sam win every court case in his time at the club.

The court cases Tan has had have been, mainly, in our clubs name, so same with Hammam.

Sam is not the blame free returning hero you make out.

Another point in those saying that Sam has done detailed reports on games: what the hell has that got to do with it ? Many have, rightly, criticised Tan for being too involved with tactics, selection, etc. Why is it OK for Hammam to do the we same thing, which we all know he did frequently ?

You still have named a court case he lost ??


Sams not interfering with the manager etc he is doing this from his home and discusses it with me


You really do hate him, but have not got a clue about him

The difference is , I actually know both of them personally, so do know what I am talking about, where as you read the Media to
Much

Correct I don’t know either of them. I also don’t have any loyalty to either of them.

I don’t educate my opinion by just reading the press. I have my own views and stand by them.

I’m not saying Tan is our long term future but I’m absolutely sure Sam isn’t either.

By the way, I am right about those court cases, I don’t make these things up.

That’s your opinion and I totally disagree with you and under Tan we are 100% not heading in the right direction.

Can you name all these court cases Sam lost as you keep saying without any facts ? ? ?

I mean HMRC not looking to wind us up for unpaid tax is a positive for me. That’s a decent direction.

Under Sam???


What’s happening to our club at the moment???

Cant afford to buy a player or even a quality loan signing ??

Crowds are getting lower before this ban.

Near the bottom of the Championship.

Squad virtually worthless.


Debt more than 15 yrs ago.

I didn’t mention Sam.

Although we did sell our captain to pay the wages.

The only people who should F off is Dalman and Choo.

Tan has put countless millions in - and it's been squandered - firstly by ex managers. Alleged back handers , dodgy agents related to managers. Giving out stupid contracts to rubbish players - Madine / Vassell and countless countless others.

Now is not the time to sack people - now is the time to make everyone accountable for the role they have been given. AND if they dont or cant do that - then sell or not renew the contract.

We are in for a tricky few games that's for sure. Bacuna just wrote his own P45 tonight - probably wants to clubbing in England for the New Years eve celebrations

The accountability and overall responsibility stops with the top dog and that's Tan. He's put alot of money in yes but he's been f*cking clueless from the start. This club needs someone who knows how to run a club not some old money Malaysian who's lost interest in his toy.

The only people who should F off is Dalman and Choo.

Tan has put countless millions in - and it's been squandered - firstly by ex managers. Alleged back handers , dodgy agents related to managers. Giving out stupid contracts to rubbish players - Madine / Vassell and countless countless others.

Now is not the time to sack people - now is the time to make everyone accountable for the role they have been given. AND if they dont or cant do that - then sell or not renew the contract.

We are in for a tricky few games that's for sure. Bacuna just wrote his own P45 tonight - probably wants to clubbing in England for the New Years eve celebrations

The accountability and overall responsibility stops with the top dog and that's Tan. He's put alot of money in yes but he's been f*cking clueless from the start. This club needs someone who knows how to run a club not some old money Malaysian who's lost interest in his toy.

If thats the case then does all the accountability and responsibility rest with Sam when he was our owner because when he is blamed there’s excuse after excuse after excuse.

That’s not me having a go at Sam it’s me asking for no disparity.

I’m a huge fan of what Sam did for our club but any money we spend now is liable to Tan. Money Sam spent was loaned to the club but payable back to Sam.

That’s the problem with this board.

Simply no parity of treatment. So many ways to skew stats.

If you flipped Sam for Tan and what they did for our club the ‘usual suspects’ would argue black and blue that Sam did it right and Tan did it wrong.

As someone who is appreciative of both I think they have both done very good and both done really bad.

The only people who should F off is Dalman and Choo.

Tan has put countless millions in - and it's been squandered - firstly by ex managers. Alleged back handers , dodgy agents related to managers. Giving out stupid contracts to rubbish players - Madine / Vassell and countless countless others.

Now is not the time to sack people - now is the time to make everyone accountable for the role they have been given. AND if they dont or cant do that - then sell or not renew the contract.

We are in for a tricky few games that's for sure. Bacuna just wrote his own P45 tonight - probably wants to clubbing in England for the New Years eve celebrations

The accountability and overall responsibility stops with the top dog and that's Tan. He's put alot of money in yes but he's been f*cking clueless from the start. This club needs someone who knows how to run a club not some old money Malaysian who's lost interest in his toy.

100% The buck Jack stops at the top a fact and Tan is to blame at the end of the day, he employs these muppets.