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Re: Capital Punishment

Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:10 pm

ThomasC wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Death by starvation in a dark, padded room seems fair.

People have to rem to pay the TV license somehow :lol:



Are you suggestion we live stream the starvation on TV? I like this idea.

Re: Capital Punishment

Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:05 pm

nubbsy wrote:
ThomasC wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Death by starvation in a dark, padded room seems fair.

People have to rem to pay the TV license somehow :lol:



Are you suggestion we live stream the starvation on TV? I like this idea.


I was thinking the deterent, dont forget to pay the bbc :laughing6:

A self funding correctional facility? Hmmm, a subscription to a real life squid games episode. Yuck :oops: :o

Re: Capital Punishment

Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:07 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:It's hard not to want capital punishment for these child killers.

However, a note of caution.

In the last 20+ years there have been a large number of parents in the UK (and around the world) convicted for the murder of their children by "Shaken Baby Syndrome". This was as a result of flawed medical advice to courts and some maverick doctors who decided they could make a name for themselves.

If we had capital punishment those parents would have been executed before the evidence was unearthed that this medial "opinion" was completely flawed and they were exonerated.

That alone should be enough for people to have doubts about the reliability of capital punishment, despite how feel about some of these monsters, natural though that reaction may be for all of us.

Of serial killers, etc., are a different kettle of fish but we have to be so careful on this subject because once the sentence is carried out there is no coming back !!


That in a nutshell is why I am against CP.

Our justice system is far from perfect and it does not give us the Right to play God. The argument the comes back why should we pay for them to live. Well we can make these guys do hard labour or some other work to pay their way. If they are proved innocent later then they can claim for the work they were forced to do. To be I'm comfortable with this.

Yup I think that would be a good compromise.

Re: Capital Punishment

Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:11 pm

Yes, I’d also drag in the social workers who are complicit. They should be be charged likewise.

Re: Capital Punishment

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:35 am

rumpo kid wrote:Yes, I’d also drag in the social workers who are complicit. They should be be charged likewise.


Don't believe what you read in the press or on-line without doing some research.

Yes there are some poor social workers but that's no different to any other profession. But as usual when things go wrong systemically it is all too easy to point the finger at those on the ground having to try and keep people safe and the ones making the strategic/financial decision get away with it time and time again :evil:

What you really need to look at is that many local authorities are running at levels of 40%+ understaffed at trained social worker level and the staff turnover is huge because of the pressure they are under.

It's too easy for the government and others to pin the blame on social workers but the reality is very, very different. If you think there's a shortage of NHS staff that's nothing compared to where the country is in terms of social workers !!

I have a family member who is a social worker and in the last week in November she worked 59 hours. Anything over her standard hours wasn't recorded or paid for but she was offered time off in lieu, which she can't take because of the pressures on her time in terms of home visits and court attendance :roll:

Re: Capital Punishment

Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:10 pm

If you have it, it should only be for most serious and heinous crimes and would need a 100% certainty of guilt as well. No 'beyond reasonable doubt' you would have to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever they were guilty.

Re: Capital Punishment

Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:32 pm

mjw6150 wrote:If you have it, it should only be for most serious and heinous crimes and would need a 100% certainty of guilt as well. No 'beyond reasonable doubt' you would have to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever they were guilty.


:thumbup:

Re: Capital Punishment

Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:11 pm

That’s irrelevant tho, we all know there are good social workers. But some are bloody useless, and we’ve heard tho old ‘lessons will be learned’ line too often, and often too late.