Coronavirus 'plan B': Fans will need vaccine pass to attend

Proof of vaccine or negative lateral flow test.,which are freely available on the NHS website delivered to your home and some chemist's. Is it really to much to ask the unvaccinated to take these tests?

I can't recall anybody , vaccinated or not, complaining about a lateral flow test IF we have to have these unproven restrictions.

I guess the irony is that the unvaccinated are going to be the safest people in the ground! Crazy rules which have no logic!

How are you the safest? If your stood next to someone whose singing away and positive you can still catch the virus.

I thought I had replied to you SW, but obviously not.

By the safest I mean the 10% who have taken an LFT. Obviously we do not know how many of the vaccine passport entries are currently infected or transmitting it.......and therein lies the irony! Seriously, you could not right the script of how to ignore data and logic, and then pretend that this measure is keeping people safe.

To try and make it crystal for you SW......I understand that if I walk into the ground I am not carrying the virus, assuming a LFT works. But equally I am prepared to take the risk of a vaccine passport holder passing it on to me, as obviously we do not know the current infectious status of the passport holders!

Sorry mate but I still don’t see how that makes you safer than say me, who’s 2 weeks passed his 3rd jab.

Christ reading this thread is hard work.

It really shouldn't be that complicated to get your heads around chaps. The Hanged Man is 100% correct in what he is saying.

Those who are vaccinated can still be asymptomatic and spread the virus. However, they do not have to take a lateral flow test which would show if they have the virus or not. They are still able to enter the venue because of their vaccine status entitling them to a pass.

So the chance of someone who is vaccinated but still a carrier being allowed into the ground is fairly high.

Those who are unvaccinated can also still be asymptomatic and spread the virus. However, they do have to take a lateral flow test to show if they have the virus or not. If they cannot show proof they have tested negative for the virus they cannot get a pass and cannot enter the ground.

Therefore, the chance of someone who is unvaccinated but still a carrier being allowed into the ground is fairly low.

(Of course, this is all based on the assumption that LFT work effectively and people are not abusing the system and false reporting.)

If you are standing next to someone who is unvaccinated they will be able to show you actual proof that they are a low risk of spreading the disease (literally the wording on the LFT test result)

If you are standing next to someone who is vaccinated, even if they are just a few weeks past their 3rd dose of experimental gene therapy, they could still pick up the virus and transmit it. However, they do not have to obtain any proof that they are currently negative. In this case, they could be low risk but they could just as easily be high risk and you simply can't tell.

So you have one group who are 100% tested and proven to be low risk. You then have another group where there is zero visibility into whether they are high risk or low risk.

Statistically, given the second group will be far larger, the first group is safer to be amongst as there is no chance of high-risk individuals where there is the potential of at least some high-risk individuals in the latter group.

The Hanged Man is absolutely right that under this approach the safest people in the stadium for you to stand next to would be someone unvaccinated as the only way they can be there in the first place is to show a negative test.

I really struggle to understand how anyone could argue against that point as it's clear as bloody day, yet here you all are queuing up to do so - must be something in those 'vaccines' impacting IQ maybe (only teasing no real offence meant)

A great post ealing, but you need to make an important ammendment, the group you speak of would never be 100% tested, if you don't have to do it.

A great post ealing, but you need to make an important ammendment, the group you speak of would never be 100% tested, if you don't have to do it.

Or you have one group who are proven to be safer by having the vaccine and another group that might have done nothing but say they've taken a test and it's negative?

The system is flawed and a waste of time, it's only there to make it a bit more awkward for people who haven't been vaccinated in the hope that they will get vaccinated.

A great post ealing, but you need to make an important ammendment, the group you speak of would never be 100% tested, if you don't have to do it.

Or you have one group who are proven to be safer by having the vaccine and another group that might have done nothing but say they've taken a test and it's negative?

The system is flawed and a waste of time, it's only there to make it a bit more awkward for people who haven't been vaccinated in the hope that they will get vaccinated.

Exactly my views , although the posters meant well, our view is the waters are purposely muddied by the rule makers. Lft's may be withdrawn as a legitimate form of entry at some point in the future on this basis.

A great post ealing, but you need to make an important ammendment, the group you speak of would never be 100% tested, if you don't have to do it.

Or you have one group who are proven to be safer by having the vaccine and another group that might have done nothing but say they've taken a test and it's negative?

The system is flawed and a waste of time, it's only there to make it a bit more awkward for people who haven't been vaccinated in the hope that they will get vaccinated.

Exactly my views , although the posters meant well, our view is the waters are purposely muddied by the rule makers. Lft's may be withdrawn as a legitimate form of entry at some point in the future on this basis.

Then if this happens, many tens of thousands of us, who are unable to safely have the jab, will be discriminated against!! As lateral flow tests are free! Im not going to be able to attend games anywhere near as much as id like, due to the cost of having to pay for pcr tests everytime i wanted to attend a game, or other venues?? As for making it more awkward for the unvaccinated? More like trying to force people into being jabbed against their will,why not make ALL attendees take a lft test? That way its fair to me, as we know that even those who've had their 3rd dose can still have the virus, thus just as easily infect others around them? To me it makes more sense, otherwise the virus will never stop being transmitted, vaccinated or not.

A great post ealing, but you need to make an important ammendment, the group you speak of would never be 100% tested, if you don't have to do it.

Yup totally agree. Its flawed if people follow it perfectly and its so easily potentially abused that its bloody pointless as a health measure.

Just more coercion for those who don't want to be jabbed in my eyes.