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Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:08 pm

JulesK wrote:Didn't I read that the Premier League had not sanctioned the contract? But FAW had? So sorry for this young man and his family but 100% support the club in their actions of not just handing over £15m.

Hope they throw away the key on Henderson as he still shows no remorse over his actions.

Jules, there have been reports but UEFA/FIFA effectively rejected that with their own assessment; hence we are with CAS

I agree Henderson showed little remorse through his weak statements and/or when filmed. Indeed, one of his party leaving Court (family member/representative?) was seen with a smile/smirk on their face :(

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:01 pm

Sven wrote:
JulesK wrote:Didn't I read that the Premier League had not sanctioned the contract? But FAW had? So sorry for this young man and his family but 100% support the club in their actions of not just handing over £15m.

Hope they throw away the key on Henderson as he still shows no remorse over his actions.

Jules, there have been reports but UEFA/FIFA effectively rejected that with their own assessment; hence we are with CAS

I agree Henderson showed little remorse through his weak statements and/or when filmed. Indeed, one of his party leaving Court (family member/representative?) was seen with a smile/smirk on their face :(



Yes I saw that I was disgusted!

All four looked like they had been having a laugh on the way out and were all looking happy until the saw the camera, I bet they are not so happy now!

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:27 pm

Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(

Re: Henderson found guilty

Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:38 pm

Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sven wrote:This is a sad day in many ways, as two men are still dead and nothing can change that

My immediate thoughts are with the families of both Emiliano Sala and David Ibbotson, the latter of whom has never been found/recovered

The verdict itself is emphatic and has shown David 'Walter Mitty' Henderson to be what he is; a willing participant in actions that he might (likely had previously) got away with but which on this occasion cost lives

I don't know what options are open for the judge but Henderson now has a few days to reflect and worry (if he has an actual conscience after seeing the looks on the faces of him and those alongside leaving Court on TV?) before he learns his fate

Either way, he can absorb that fate, whilst two others cannot in large parts because of his disregarding actions :cry:


I agree Chris and my heart goes out to ES family hopefully they feel justice has been served today. I do wonder mind if being found guilty of endangering a plane quite fits the crime. I have no idea what punishment awaits Henderson but as you say two people lost their lives in this crash because of his reckless behaviour. Do you think there is a risk, for Henderson, of further more serious charges like manslaughter. For me that would be justice.

On the flip side this has to be a good verdict for Cardiff City maybe not in the CAS case but to support action against Nantes.


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Gary, the two deaths are and have to be of paramount importance... :cry:

Like you, I don't claim to be a legal expert (which is why I appreciate the informed opinion of others like Paul Keevil) but I do read rather than scan what is written before making comment

I note the Sala family (through their representatives) have said they are relieved at the verdict but they also have some way to go before their own nightmare and hurt (if it ever can) subside

It remains to be seen what 'penalities' can be meted out but it is seemingly extensive and could include a custodial sentence

Of course, the guesstimators on here will have answers before even the judge has even had time to consider the pre-sentence reports! :|

The 'further charges' question is an interesting one. I can see civil charges being laid but not as sure on criminal ones?

That will all come out in the wash, as will the position of Willie McKay and his brood

Hopefully, all those parties will have to answer for their deliberate actions in the flight occurring at all

Sadly, at point of that happening, some of Neil Warnock's alledged actions might be questioned?

I believe (to be confirmed) FC of Nantes can only be taken on in the Civil Courts?

Also agree, CAS decision regardless, this has to be good news for Cardiff City FC, as it would appear to gives the club 'other options' in recouping their would be losses

Acting exclusively on behalf of FC of Nantes, these people have vicariously or otherwise attached themselves to this 'guilty' verdict

One thing I would say, is that this verdict may well force FC of Nantes to the negotiating table they were originally invited?

In that case, both clubs have a final opportunity to 'do the decent thing', to 'save face' and give the Sala family 'closure'

When all is said and done, it is now accepted that Ibbotson was acting on behalf of Henderson, who was acting on behalf of McKay, who was acting on behalf of both Emiliano Sala and FC of Nantes, who were selling their asset (ES) for financial gain

An interesting and telling period ahead, starting with Henderson's sentence/punishment and potential for further criminal and civil charges



Henderson already pleaded guilty to the other charges he faced .... so faces two sets of punishment... be interesting to see if anyone is sued by amelianos mother as Mackay and nantes both involved in process as well as Henderson..... Such a mess hopefully nante & city can sort out before litigation is required

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:00 pm

With all the talk of agents making money out of the deal, I wonder how much of the £15m was actually going to Nantes as I under stand it McKay was working for Nantes but Sala had his own agent

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:25 pm

RV Casual wrote:Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(



He was a very young top flight professional footballer, he would have thought his agent would have had his best interests at heart and would have looked after him with the best most professional pilots and planes in the UK.

I don't see how everyone involved in arranging the flight aren't charged and jailed for this tragic loss, you can't take crazy risks and get away with putting money before safety?

Hopefully this is just the start!

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:09 pm

Bluebina wrote:
RV Casual wrote:Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(



He was a very young top flight professional footballer, he would have thought his agent would have had his best interests at heart and would have looked after him with the best most professional pilots and planes in the UK.

I don't see how everyone involved in arranging the flight aren't charged and jailed for this tragic loss, you can't take crazy risks and get away with putting money before safety?

Hopefully this is just the start!


I think the fallout will start when the inquest publish their conclusions. The inquest starting in February will be going into far greater detail on every aspect of this flight and that could open up a can of worms for a lot of people involved in this. If for example the inquest concludes that Negligence was the cause of the death of ES / DI then that could open up even more serious charges.

People other than Henderson are going to have a worrying few months following the verdict yesterday.


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Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:19 pm

Bluebina wrote:
RV Casual wrote:Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(



He was a very young top flight professional footballer, he would have thought his agent would have had his best interests at heart and would have looked after him with the best most professional pilots and planes in the UK.

I don't see how everyone involved in arranging the flight aren't charged and jailed for this tragic loss, you can't take crazy risks and get away with putting money before safety?

Hopefully this is just the start!


Not sure if you maybe slightly misread my post or if I have slightly misread yours, but either way I agree.

I just don't understand why Ibboston still gets some sympathy in some quarters, he flew that plane knowing full well he should not have been doing so.

For me he is the most guilty of the all he just isn't here to face the consequences and I for one feel a bit ashamed that I clapped for him etc

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:18 pm

RV Casual wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
RV Casual wrote:Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(



He was a very young top flight professional footballer, he would have thought his agent would have had his best interests at heart and would have looked after him with the best most professional pilots and planes in the UK.

I don't see how everyone involved in arranging the flight aren't charged and jailed for this tragic loss, you can't take crazy risks and get away with putting money before safety?

Hopefully this is just the start!


Not sure if you maybe slightly misread my post or if I have slightly misread yours, but either way I agree.

I just don't understand why Ibboston still gets some sympathy in some quarters, he flew that plane knowing full well he should not have been doing so.

For me he is the most guilty of the all he just isn't here to face the consequences and I for one feel a bit ashamed that I clapped for him etc

Again you are correct...! :clap:

No one wanted anyone to die but the fact remains David Ibbotson was not in control of his own flying abilities and certainly didn't give much (if any) thought to his 'client' Emiliano Sala's safety and well-being by flying when he did

If anyone believes this was a 'one off' for anyone involved in arranging that flight, Henderson, Ibbotson, McKay et al, they are surely mistaken. These people showed scant regard for rules and regulations and I find it hard to believe these people have not 'gotten away' with similar in the past

Appears that this flight for all involved was about maximising profit for the least outlay (hence using a reported financially desperate pilot, despite him being unqualified and categorically barred from flying that specific plane by its proper owner

The only sad thing is that for his family, the body of David Ibbotson has yet to be found so they can have their own closure

For that alone, I have some sympathy :cry:

Re: ‘ David Henderson found guilty ‘

Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:57 am

RV Casual wrote:Ibbotson paid the ultimate price but for me he is as guilty as them all if not the most guilty in the whole situation.

I think this just scratched the surface, I don't feel sorry for Henderson as he has to take his punishments but for me now he is just the 'one' its happened to.

Bet this sort of thing has been going on for years and corners cut, rules pushed aside and a lot of people have since thought f**k we need to get our house in order going forward.

The worst thing of all is of course that an innocent man in Emiliano lost his life due to the actions of Henderson and Ibbotson and God knows who else.

:(
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I have said this many times, he took very severe risks that night, that effectively killed Emiliano, as well as himself, but HE made them decisions, and was compiling with Henderson of recklessly endangering a life, not only that, they did it deliberately for purely financial gains! And that Henderson then goes on to try and cover his tracks, when he knew the plane had crashed, both behaved recklessly, only one can be punished! I feel for the pilots family of course I do, they have lost a husband, dad etc, and that is never good, but how must they feel now, having heard the evidence, that their loved one ultimately killed himself, and a poor young man, at the height of his career, all for a few quid. :sad7: :old: :bluebird: