“ UNHAPPY AS SOME PLAYERS SAY NO “

It saddens me that some people think they can dictate to others what they do with their own body. The only time I've read about this type of thing related to 1930's, Berlin, Germany.

I am stunned and utterley bemused by some posters on here.......and I mean stunned. I'm not telling you what to do, but be very careful if you wish to tell everybody else what to do.

There were times people had to have certain vaccines to go on holiday.

It’s not a new thing.

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Not surprised by your answer!

Forgot it’s Saturday, off school

yep ...btw i think my mate is your form teacher ..said he has someone with a napoleon complex who is convinced he is ITK in his adults sand castle class....

I’ve certainly forgotten more than you know!

Your just a City bashing keyboard warrior sat in your bedroom oblivious to life trying to spout knowledge.

Skid doesn’t bash the city as far as I see.

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

He hasn’t been banned then? What did dealt with mean?

Typical, trust the Gwenties to make a stand for society. And their still wearing flares.

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

Do you know everyone at a game? Do you know they have all been "double jabbed?"

For those who cannot be vaccinated? You paint a picture wgere we should not mix with others? Be denied treatment, be cast aside with less money, under the umbrella of the non vaccinated? If not,I could well bump into you at a game, should I never attend another game?

God, im lucky to have had the CHOICE removed for me in honesty, because for making whats percieved by some, the wrong decision, people have turned "ugly" towards others!!
And to name players would be wrong, its not a crime if they chose not to have it, or is it now????
CCFC!

How so?

Someone smoking around you can cause you health issues.

An unvaccinated person with a high viral load of covid can cause you health issues.

How so what exactly? Are you saying that vaccinated people are far less likely to pass it on?
To name players IS wrong imo, what should we do, wear a sign, ring a bell? So those who are vaccinated can keep their distance?
Where does it stop? Someone smoking around me? Yes for a sustained number of years, not by passing me in the street ! Then maybe I would possibly suffer health issues from the 2nd hand smoke.
Are you saying people have not "turned" on each other over this issue? For me, it's clear that it has, even on here for instance!
No jab no job! No treatment, less money, etc etc, to me that's turning on others.
The nhs has been on its knees well before covid was even thought of here, to blame covid alone is not right imho, it added to an already crumbling nhs, but every year at winter, it's the same headlines "nhs at breaking point " people being turned away, waiting hrs on an ambulance, and worst of all dying on them!
According to what I've seen, is it 80% now been vaccinated? Then how come cases are spiking now? It cannot be just the 20% who for whatever reason, are not vaccinated, spreading it?? Which for me, says the vaccines are not really doing as well as expected, even seen the efficacy rate plummets at around 3 months or so, thus the need for boosters, does that mean one every 3 months, as the efficacy drops around then?

Again, in truth, I'm glad the decision on whether I took up the offer, was removed for me, as I've stated I'm now really unsure as to whether I would have.
As for the people who have chosen not to have it? That for me is their choice, whether I agree with them or not, it's not my decision to make, and I don't think they, or even we should be treated any differently, feeling sorry for the likes of myself, and tens of thousands of others, who for varying reasons cannot safely have the jab/s doesn't cut it at all, in some people's eyes I'm now a menace/danger to society, and should be what? Detained somewhere in case I pass someone, and pass covid to them? What about the other way? I get passed by a fully jabbed person, who happens to be carrying the virus, I get covid and get hospitalised, whereas before that I was perfectly well? Who is at fault? I guess it would be deemed to be me, because I wasn't vaccinated? ? Otherwise the life people want me to lead from now until whenever, is very much a personal lockdown regime!! I'm not at fault or to blame for my inability to get jabbed, or am I in some people's eyes now? I have had no choice but to live my life with certain restictions, cross certain countries off my bucket list, due to required vaccines for entry to them, and now it feels like some people would prefer me to stay at home, miss events, not go to support the club I have loved for 50 yrs, just in case I might infect them? Why the big concern if they have been vaccinated? Isn't it supposed to greatly reduce the effects of the virus, thus not being taken to hospital in a bad way etc?

I might add that I'm far from inconsiderate, and volunteered during the lockdown last year,at my local chemist, delivering meds to the vulnerable, before vaccines were available.in truth I didn't even think about it, people needed help, simple as.
But I have taken my u yr old to two games now, and she is a new fan, I will not stop going, until the club say so in honesty, what would you do? Apart from wearing a visible sign around my neck, warning I cannot have the vax, or being put in an area of the ground, far away from anybody, like the upper tier, it feels like some fans would rather we stayed away, as it makes them feel safer.

I've even had suggestion put to me, that I should carry a letter from gp, letting people know I can't have the vaccine, to show to anyone who asks!! In other words disclose to whoever asks that I have a disability that prevents safe use of it
The disability act of 2010, was brought out for the protection of disabled people, and their right to privacy regarding their disability, it seems some would have that ignored now, as it makes them feel better/safer??? To say I'm dissapointed is an understatement tbf, and yes I do feel this vaccine stuff is causing divides, I've seen it 1st hand.

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

He hasn’t been banned then? What did dealt with mean?

A 'warning' about his choice of words, Neil...

I've already said he does make some decent points (whether we akways agree or not) and a 'ban' at this stage is not required

Personally, I'd prefer him to have the balls to admit his error and we can all move on...

How so what exactly? Are you saying that vaccinated people are far less likely to pass it on?
To name players IS wrong imo, what should we do, wear a sign, ring a bell? So those who are vaccinated can keep their distance?
Where does it stop? Someone smoking around me? Yes for a sustained number of years, not by passing me in the street ! Then maybe I would possibly suffer health issues from the 2nd hand smoke.
Are you saying people have not "turned" on each other over this issue? For me, it's clear that it has, even on here for instance!
No jab no job! No treatment, less money, etc etc, to me that's turning on others.
The nhs has been on its knees well before covid was even thought of here, to blame covid alone is not right imho, it added to an already crumbling nhs, but every year at winter, it's the same headlines "nhs at breaking point " people being turned away, waiting hrs on an ambulance, and worst of all dying on them!
According to what I've seen, is it 80% now been vaccinated? Then how come cases are spiking now? It cannot be just the 20% who for whatever reason, are not vaccinated, spreading it?? Which for me, says the vaccines are not really doing as well as expected, even seen the efficacy rate plummets at around 3 months or so, thus the need for boosters, does that mean one every 3 months, as the efficacy drops around then?

Again, in truth, I'm glad the decision on whether I took up the offer, was removed for me, as I've stated I'm now really unsure as to whether I would have.
As for the people who have chosen not to have it? That for me is their choice, whether I agree with them or not, it's not my decision to make, and I don't think they, or even we should be treated any differently, feeling sorry for the likes of myself, and tens of thousands of others, who for varying reasons cannot safely have the jab/s doesn't cut it at all, in some people's eyes I'm now a menace/danger to society, and should be what? Detained somewhere in case I pass someone, and pass covid to them? What about the other way? I get passed by a fully jabbed person, who happens to be carrying the virus, I get covid and get hospitalised, whereas before that I was perfectly well? Who is at fault? I guess it would be deemed to be me, because I wasn't vaccinated? ? Otherwise the life people want me to lead from now until whenever, is very much a personal lockdown regime!! I'm not at fault or to blame for my inability to get jabbed, or am I in some people's eyes now? I have had no choice but to live my life with certain restictions, cross certain countries off my bucket list, due to required vaccines for entry to them, and now it feels like some people would prefer me to stay at home, miss events, not go to support the club I have loved for 50 yrs, just in case I might infect them? Why the big concern if they have been vaccinated? Isn't it supposed to greatly reduce the effects of the virus, thus not being taken to hospital in a bad way etc?

I might add that I'm far from inconsiderate, and volunteered during the lockdown last year,at my local chemist, delivering meds to the vulnerable, before vaccines were available.in truth I didn't even think about it, people needed help, simple as.
But I have taken my u yr old to two games now, and she is a new fan, I will not stop going, until the club say so in honesty, what would you do? Apart from wearing a visible sign around my neck, warning I cannot have the vax, or being put in an area of the ground, far away from anybody, like the upper tier, it feels like some fans would rather we stayed away, as it makes them feel safer.

I've even had suggestion put to me, that I should carry a letter from gp, letting people know I can't have the vaccine, to show to anyone who asks!! In other words disclose to whoever asks that I have a disability that prevents safe use of it
The disability act of 2010, was brought out for the protection of disabled people, and their right to privacy regarding their disability, it seems some would have that ignored now, as it makes them feel better/safer??? To say I'm dissapointed is an understatement tbf, and yes I do feel this vaccine stuff is causing divides, I've seen it 1st hand.

Paul I have not seen anyone have a go at people who cannot be vacinated, but what most people are complaining about is people who have no underlining health issues refusing to have the vaccine and that is what i think is very selfish and inconsiderate'

Unvaccinated people have more chance of catching covid and passing it on than vaccinated people. But I peronally think that all people should at least have covid tests when going into crowded places, unpractical as that is, be that football matches/nightclubs etc. Having the vaccine is not 100% effective, but it seriously cuts down the chance of catching covid and passing it on.

And what I will say is that you are incorrect about the NHS, they have been struggling for years, but nothing at all like during the pandemic, tell me were hospital admissions/operations for serious conditions this high due to the flu, I'll answer that for you, no they were not, they were not even close, the backlog has never been this high and will take many years to get it down if ever, and that is down to covid and nothing else.

As for your stats about covid percentages, it is just under 65% of people fully vaccinated in the uk, not the 80% you stated. so that would make it 35% of people having more chance of catching and passing on covid. That is why
infections/hospitalisation rates are rising and daily deaths have gone from going down to now rising.

Lastly I believe that come the winter there is going to be more lockdowns, I hope there is none, but I can see it happening!

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

Do you know everyone at a game? Do you know they have all been "double jabbed?"

For those who cannot be vaccinated? You paint a picture wgere we should not mix with others? Be denied treatment, be cast aside with less money, under the umbrella of the non vaccinated? If not,I could well bump into you at a game, should I never attend another game?

God, im lucky to have had the CHOICE removed for me in honesty, because for making whats percieved by some, the wrong decision, people have turned "ugly" towards others!!
And to name players would be wrong, its not a crime if they chose not to have it, or is it now????
CCFC!

How so?

Someone smoking around you can cause you health issues.

An unvaccinated person with a high viral load of covid can cause you health issues.

How so what exactly? Are you saying that vaccinated people are far less likely to pass it on?
To name players IS wrong imo, what should we do, wear a sign, ring a bell? So those who are vaccinated can keep their distance?
Where does it stop? Someone smoking around me? Yes for a sustained number of years, not by passing me in the street ! Then maybe I would possibly suffer health issues from the 2nd hand smoke.
Are you saying people have not "turned" on each other over this issue? For me, it's clear that it has, even on here for instance!
No jab no job! No treatment, less money, etc etc, to me that's turning on others.
The nhs has been on its knees well before covid was even thought of here, to blame covid alone is not right imho, it added to an already crumbling nhs, but every year at winter, it's the same headlines "nhs at breaking point " people being turned away, waiting hrs on an ambulance, and worst of all dying on them!
According to what I've seen, is it 80% now been vaccinated? Then how come cases are spiking now? It cannot be just the 20% who for whatever reason, are not vaccinated, spreading it?? Which for me, says the vaccines are not really doing as well as expected, even seen the efficacy rate plummets at around 3 months or so, thus the need for boosters, does that mean one every 3 months, as the efficacy drops around then?

Again, in truth, I'm glad the decision on whether I took up the offer, was removed for me, as I've stated I'm now really unsure as to whether I would have.
As for the people who have chosen not to have it? That for me is their choice, whether I agree with them or not, it's not my decision to make, and I don't think they, or even we should be treated any differently, feeling sorry for the likes of myself, and tens of thousands of others, who for varying reasons cannot safely have the jab/s doesn't cut it at all, in some people's eyes I'm now a menace/danger to society, and should be what? Detained somewhere in case I pass someone, and pass covid to them? What about the other way? I get passed by a fully jabbed person, who happens to be carrying the virus, I get covid and get hospitalised, whereas before that I was perfectly well? Who is at fault? I guess it would be deemed to be me, because I wasn't vaccinated? ? Otherwise the life people want me to lead from now until whenever, is very much a personal lockdown regime!! I'm not at fault or to blame for my inability to get jabbed, or am I in some people's eyes now? I have had no choice but to live my life with certain restictions, cross certain countries off my bucket list, due to required vaccines for entry to them, and now it feels like some people would prefer me to stay at home, miss events, not go to support the club I have loved for 50 yrs, just in case I might infect them? Why the big concern if they have been vaccinated? Isn't it supposed to greatly reduce the effects of the virus, thus not being taken to hospital in a bad way etc?

I might add that I'm far from inconsiderate, and volunteered during the lockdown last year,at my local chemist, delivering meds to the vulnerable, before vaccines were available.in truth I didn't even think about it, people needed help, simple as.
But I have taken my u yr old to two games now, and she is a new fan, I will not stop going, until the club say so in honesty, what would you do? Apart from wearing a visible sign around my neck, warning I cannot have the vax, or being put in an area of the ground, far away from anybody, like the upper tier, it feels like some fans would rather we stayed away, as it makes them feel safer.

I've even had suggestion put to me, that I should carry a letter from gp, letting people know I can't have the vaccine, to show to anyone who asks!! In other words disclose to whoever asks that I have a disability that prevents safe use of it
The disability act of 2010, was brought out for the protection of disabled people, and their right to privacy regarding their disability, it seems some would have that ignored now, as it makes them feel better/safer??? To say I'm dissapointed is an understatement tbf, and yes I do feel this vaccine stuff is causing divides, I've seen it 1st hand.

Yep that’s exactly what I’m saying.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... eople.html

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

He hasn’t been banned then? What did dealt with mean?

A 'warning' about his choice of words, Neil...

I've already said he does make some decent points (whether we akways agree or not) and a 'ban' at this stage is not required

Personally, I'd prefer him to have the balls to admit his error and we can all move on...

Admit his error?

It has been alluded to that he compared this to the Holocaust. He did no such thing.

There are many in the Tory party (and countrywide) who feel this is a transgression onto one’s civil liberties which I think was his point. It was a clumsy analogy but it’s closer to that than him likening it to the Holocaust.

I think Fynn is right in this matter. over the last 18 months society has been shaken to its core by Covid it has been a very difficult time for everyone. We find ourselves now being able to start the return towards a normal life. That return is being achieved by the vaccine programme being rolled out across the population and greatly reducing serious illness and death. it is my opinion that each and every one of us has the responsibility to protect ourselves and support the people around us by taking the vaccine. Unless there is a medical reason for not doing so, it should be regarded as a totally selfish action throughout society.

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

He hasn’t been banned then? What did dealt with mean?

A 'warning' about his choice of words, Neil...

I've already said he does make some decent points (whether we akways agree or not) and a 'ban' at this stage is not required

Personally, I'd prefer him to have the balls to admit his error and we can all move on...

Admit his error?

It has been alluded to that he compared this to the Holocaust. He did no such thing.

There are many in the Tory party (and countrywide) who feel this is a transgression onto one’s civil liberties which I think was his point. It was a clumsy analogy but it’s closer to that than him likening it to the Holocaust.

Neil, with respect, the analogy used, which then woke up another 'occasional poster' to comment in similar vein, was wrong and intentional

We can all be 'clumsy' in our wording but the decent thing is to apologise when we are. The term used in his post was out of order for the debate and he will know it...

I think most people now know the facts Annis, namely:

The double jab will not stop you catching Covid.

The double jab will not stop you transmitting Covid.

What will stop you doing your job, in this case playing a game of football, is rules and regulations made up by either your employer, controlling body or the Government.

I guess that has always been the case, but this actually shows how ridiculous our country has become. Trying to control movement or employment by pretending they can control a virus. Any virologist will tell you that this is impossible.

The only good thing is that you might not end up on a ventilator if you’ve been double jabbed.

It’s all a personal thing having a vaccine but if your mixing with others that have had their double jabs it shows a complete disrespect to those people. If you can show that disrespect it doesn’t hurt you to lose money or be set aside.

It’s about time it was brought in “No jab No job” and remove access to the NHS for COVID. You can still keep your choice but with less money and being treated for it thus avoiding putting unnecessary hospital staff through more hardship.

I’m surprised the NHS is still going and that staff are hanging on.

could give them yellow stars too...jail even

Yellow stars...?????

Not quite the same, fella; and a poor attempt at an anal9gy that just shows you up again...!

Chris he is always the same, not really a city fan, no matter what he says

Rog, his style is 100% of one or more poster(s) who were either banned or disapoeared when other members sussed them out...

We're at that point now and it will be interesting to see if he has the mettle to fight his way through this or reinvent himself again

The lack of response to so far suggests he doesn't want to put his head above the proverbial parapet...

Interesting moments ahead...

He hasn’t been banned then? What did dealt with mean?

A 'warning' about his choice of words, Neil...

I've already said he does make some decent points (whether we akways agree or not) and a 'ban' at this stage is not required

Personally, I'd prefer him to have the balls to admit his error and we can all move on...

Admit his error?

It has been alluded to that he compared this to the Holocaust. He did no such thing.

There are many in the Tory party (and countrywide) who feel this is a transgression onto one’s civil liberties which I think was his point. It was a clumsy analogy but it’s closer to that than him likening it to the Holocaust.

Neil, with respect, the analogy used, which then woke up another 'occasional poster' to comment in similar vein, was wrong and intentional

We can all be 'clumsy' in our wording but the decent thing is to apologise when we are. The term used in his post was out of order for the debate and he will know it...

We will have to agree to disagree.

I simply saw it as his thoughts that unvaccinated people were being classed as lesser by the fact that they haven’t taken the vaccine and ways to ensure that others knew who they were was akin to yellow stars for the Jews.

He was comparing the treatment of Jews during a certain time to the way that the non vaccinated are being treated now when it's not even close, or that's the way I read it.

He doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his point of view and uses what people don't say as a weapon against them whether they meant that or not. He loves to twist what people say to try & trap them into losing their cool & then he thinks he has won an argument which is what a discussion usually turns into if he joins it.

I stopped replying to him for just this reason even if I do agree with something he has said, usually in a football discussion.

‘He doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his point of view and uses what people don't say as a weapon against them whether they meant that or not’

Exactly what’s happening here..

Well let's just hope Wales font following Scotland and England who are introducing covid passports for nightclubs and similar establishments...... wait for it to be introduced into other areas

‘He doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his point of view and uses what people don't say as a weapon against them whether they meant that or not’

Exactly what’s happening here..

I don't care if people disagree with me as long as we can have a sensible discussion.

And your point is what? That it's okay for him but not anyone else? See it's easy to do but most don't use it as a weapon 10 times a day.

What other group has been made to wear a yellow star? I'll wait.

He was comparing the treatment of Jews during a certain time to the way that the non vaccinated are being treated now when it's not even close, or that's the way I read it.

He doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his point of view and uses what people don't say as a weapon against them whether they meant that or not. He loves to twist what people say to try & trap them into losing their cool & then he thinks he has won an argument which is what a discussion usually turns into if he joins it.

I stopped replying to him for just this reason even if I do agree with something he has said, usually in a football discussion.

I explained above how I saw what he wrote.

As per second paragraph. He is not alone.

How so what exactly? Are you saying that vaccinated people are far less likely to pass it on?
To name players IS wrong imo, what should we do, wear a sign, ring a bell? So those who are vaccinated can keep their distance?
Where does it stop? Someone smoking around me? Yes for a sustained number of years, not by passing me in the street ! Then maybe I would possibly suffer health issues from the 2nd hand smoke.
Are you saying people have not "turned" on each other over this issue? For me, it's clear that it has, even on here for instance!
No jab no job! No treatment, less money, etc etc, to me that's turning on others.
The nhs has been on its knees well before covid was even thought of here, to blame covid alone is not right imho, it added to an already crumbling nhs, but every year at winter, it's the same headlines "nhs at breaking point " people being turned away, waiting hrs on an ambulance, and worst of all dying on them!
According to what I've seen, is it 80% now been vaccinated? Then how come cases are spiking now? It cannot be just the 20% who for whatever reason, are not vaccinated, spreading it?? Which for me, says the vaccines are not really doing as well as expected, even seen the efficacy rate plummets at around 3 months or so, thus the need for boosters, does that mean one every 3 months, as the efficacy drops around then?

Again, in truth, I'm glad the decision on whether I took up the offer, was removed for me, as I've stated I'm now really unsure as to whether I would have.
As for the people who have chosen not to have it? That for me is their choice, whether I agree with them or not, it's not my decision to make, and I don't think they, or even we should be treated any differently, feeling sorry for the likes of myself, and tens of thousands of others, who for varying reasons cannot safely have the jab/s doesn't cut it at all, in some people's eyes I'm now a menace/danger to society, and should be what? Detained somewhere in case I pass someone, and pass covid to them? What about the other way? I get passed by a fully jabbed person, who happens to be carrying the virus, I get covid and get hospitalised, whereas before that I was perfectly well? Who is at fault? I guess it would be deemed to be me, because I wasn't vaccinated? ? Otherwise the life people want me to lead from now until whenever, is very much a personal lockdown regime!! I'm not at fault or to blame for my inability to get jabbed, or am I in some people's eyes now? I have had no choice but to live my life with certain restictions, cross certain countries off my bucket list, due to required vaccines for entry to them, and now it feels like some people would prefer me to stay at home, miss events, not go to support the club I have loved for 50 yrs, just in case I might infect them? Why the big concern if they have been vaccinated? Isn't it supposed to greatly reduce the effects of the virus, thus not being taken to hospital in a bad way etc?

I might add that I'm far from inconsiderate, and volunteered during the lockdown last year,at my local chemist, delivering meds to the vulnerable, before vaccines were available.in truth I didn't even think about it, people needed help, simple as.
But I have taken my u yr old to two games now, and she is a new fan, I will not stop going, until the club say so in honesty, what would you do? Apart from wearing a visible sign around my neck, warning I cannot have the vax, or being put in an area of the ground, far away from anybody, like the upper tier, it feels like some fans would rather we stayed away, as it makes them feel safer.

I've even had suggestion put to me, that I should carry a letter from gp, letting people know I can't have the vaccine, to show to anyone who asks!! In other words disclose to whoever asks that I have a disability that prevents safe use of it
The disability act of 2010, was brought out for the protection of disabled people, and their right to privacy regarding their disability, it seems some would have that ignored now, as it makes them feel better/safer??? To say I'm dissapointed is an understatement tbf, and yes I do feel this vaccine stuff is causing divides, I've seen it 1st hand.

Paul I have not seen anyone have a go at people who cannot be vacinated, but what most people are complaining about is people who have no underlining health issues refusing to have the vaccine and that is what i think is very selfish and inconsiderate'

Unvaccinated people have more chance of catching covid and passing it on than vaccinated people. But I peronally think that all people should at least have covid tests when going into crowded places, unpractical as that is, be that football matches/nightclubs etc. Having the vaccine is not 100% effective, but it seriously cuts down the chance of catching covid and passing it on.

And what I will say is that you are incorrect about the NHS, they have been struggling for years, but nothing at all like during the pandemic, tell me were hospital admissions/operations for serious conditions this high due to the flu, I'll answer that for you, no they were not, they were not even close, the backlog has never been this high and will take many years to get it down if ever, and that is down to covid and nothing else.

As for your stats about covid percentages, it is just under 65% of people fully vaccinated in the uk, not the 80% you stated. so that would make it 35% of people having more chance of catching and passing on covid. That is why
infections/hospitalisation rates are rising and daily deaths have gone from going down to now rising.

Lastly I believe that come the winter there is going to be more lockdowns, I hope there is none, but I can see it happening!

I get what you are saying igov,but the person who posted, was inadvertently having a pop at those that cannot take the vaccine, by saying anyone who isnt vaccinated, should be made to suffer so to speak,thousands of us are in the same sort of situation to !those who DONT want it, or do we get allowed to mix freely? For me this is a grey area that hasnt been highlighted enough, if I am unvaccinated, according to some, I am as much a risk to society as the anti vaxxer??

Also, I did not state 80%if you notice it was more of a question, hence the ? After the comment.
I also said to blame COVID alone was wrong, im not daft enough boyt to see, that every year we struggle in the nhs , and covid of course pushed it that much further, but it was an already badly failing nhs too.check the headlines from the guardian, from 2010, every single year at winter, storys of struggling, unable to cope, at breaking point, etc etc, any new virus was going to add to that for sure.

I agree 100% with further lockdowns happening, we have to face that if and when it happens, will I be happy about it? 100% not, but for me, it seemed inevitable tbh.
I sgree re testing, and was prepared for that, if it meant gaining some freedims back, and and in truth, was surprised I could attend games,with no testing, but am I selfish for attending?

‘He doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his point of view and uses what people don't say as a weapon against them whether they meant that or not’

Exactly what’s happening here..

I don't care if people disagree with me as long as we can have a sensible discussion.

And your point is what? That it's okay for him but not anyone else? See it's easy to do but most don't use it as a weapon 10 times a day.

What other group has been made to wear a yellow star? I'll wait.

If you don’t care cut the wibbling.. f***in drama