Cash injections by Vincent Tan and club's income

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

I am? You know this how...?

Agree with the much of your post, although though I don't prescribe to the 'ransom' bit. Langstone (not entirely Sam) were owed legitimate money and the issues around that were deeper than many on here think...

Equally, I did say a 'financially stable' Sam...

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

What about the Jacks?

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

What about the Jacks?

They used player sales to stay in credit and use loans to cut wages.... if they fail go up they will lose around 5 or more players plus ayew on reported 80k a week.... Every club is run differently so bit pointless comparing one club to another and never understood why people do so.. if we use their model would we be any better off probably not ..

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Don't buy a ticket then. Stop going to games and stop buying merch.

Your post is completely hypocritical otherwise.

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

My understanding is that Sam was paying off the loan (which was taken out against the club) with wages he was taking from the club.

Tan is definitely not doing that.

I was a fan of Sam by the way. He must have had funds of some description else others could have done it before him.

Thanks Keith,

Does Dalman, Choo, Tan have wages, expenses from City?
As to the incomes during the promotions and prem years did the accounts show incomes from gates, merchandise, advertising etc?
Do the accounts show the actual expenses taken in our club?
Do you think that by now the clubs debts should be a lot less?

Thanks Keith,

Does Dalman, Choo, Tan have wages, expenses from City?
As to the incomes during the promotions and prem years did the accounts show incomes from gates, merchandise, advertising etc?
Do the accounts show the actual expenses taken in our club?
Do you think that by now the clubs debts should be a lot less?

Great questions.

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Don't buy a ticket then. Stop going to games and stop buying merch.

Your post is completely hypocritical otherwise.

Exactly, I only buy when a sale is on. I will only buy a season ticket if price drops. I dont miss it one bit and no void in my Saturday.

Also i stream online and so fu.. sky/bt and city tv.

But hey, its a free world.

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Don't buy a ticket then. Stop going to games and stop buying merch.

Your post is completely hypocritical otherwise.

Exactly, I only buy when a sale is on. I will only buy a season ticket if price drops. I dont miss it one bit and no void in my Saturday.

Also i stream online and so fu.. sky/bt and city tv.

But hey, its a free world.

Few questions.

What would you consider a reasonable price for season tickets?

Also you said you’re a season ticket holder but for the past 6 years they’ve been the same price so how do you manage to buy a ticket when they’ve not reduced in price?

If there’s no void in your life why are you so adamant on the club reducing prices on every thread when prices are mentioned?

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

My understanding is that Sam was paying off the loan (which was taken out against the club) with wages he was taking from the club.

Tan is definitely not doing that.

I was a fan of Sam by the way. He must have had funds of some description else others could have done it before him.

we dont know how much or who Tan pays..... and the money that was stumped up was a loan to VT not a gift....
but yes if its so easy you and boyo could have taken out a provident loan and done the same..... its ridiculous...
i was greatfull then.....and greatefull now ... and tbh thank god im not envious , certainly not of a few that had an ice cream....

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

My understanding is that Sam was paying off the loan (which was taken out against the club) with wages he was taking from the club.

Tan is definitely not doing that.

I was a fan of Sam by the way. He must have had funds of some description else others could have done it before him.

we dont know how much or who Tan pays..... and the money that was stumped up was a loan to VT not a gift....
but yes if its so easy you and boyo could have taken out a provident loan and done the same..... its ridiculous...
i was greatfull then.....and greatefull now ... and tbh thank god im not envious , certainly not of a few that had an ice cream....

Without Sam where would we be?

I think Sam and VT is a very emotive topic and always brings up good debate.

Sam was amazing when he first come there is know doubt he got a huge buzz. If I am honest I was surprised we didn't get more supporters at the time which would have clearly helped financially.

I just think for me and the many city fans in my circle felt let down from Sam with us I understand less than an hour from administration. The reason a mentioned ransom as my understanding was in that last hour he demanded a huge some of money or wouldn't sell to the riddler.

It's such a shame how it ended with Sam but it did.

VT nearly made me give up on Cardiff with the rebrand, I didn't as always wanted to fight for the return to blue which in fairness he did. I will forgive Tan but won't forget.

I just hope them pandemic which has clearly impacted tans business empire doesn't have the consequences of financial ruin to us.

All I want is city to have a team that gives their all and club not worried about paying the tax bills.

League 1.or 2 is fine with me but seems premiership is the only way to make decent money in football as.we.all know. But at what cost?

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

My understanding is that Sam was paying off the loan (which was taken out against the club) with wages he was taking from the club.

Tan is definitely not doing that.

I was a fan of Sam by the way. He must have had funds of some description else others could have done it before him.

we dont know how much or who Tan pays..... and the money that was stumped up was a loan to VT not a gift....
but yes if its so easy you and boyo could have taken out a provident loan and done the same..... its ridiculous...
i was greatfull then.....and greatefull now ... and tbh thank god im not envious , certainly not of a few that had an ice cream....

Without Sam where would we be?

who knows...but we had been on a downward spiral for decades... going from a club that spent most of its time in tiers 1 and 2..50s/ early 60s.... to a bottom half tier 2 team 60s/ to mid 70s..to a yo yo 2nd/3 rd tier club up to mid 80s...to a club that then spent most of its time in the 4th division up to the point Sam walked in...and i had sat and watched most of it in an ever more empty NP { yes the good years were good but few and far between }
. was tier 4 the bottom of that spiral ? who knows....
but i was grateful then, still am , dont care where the money came from...just wish he had more of it......

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Don't buy a ticket then. Stop going to games and stop buying merch.

Your post is completely hypocritical otherwise.

Exactly, I only buy when a sale is on. I will only buy a season ticket if price drops. I dont miss it one bit and no void in my Saturday.

Also i stream online and so fu.. sky/bt and city tv.

But hey, its a free world.

are you Fu Manchoo ?

Ignoring the fact that Stan is woman beater(disgusting stare of affairs that )

He does make a interesting point does he not. Yes , its not Cardiff. But if clubs were more like Bayern then happy days.

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Nice to see man city board helping with the travel arrangements. Disgusting prices by uefa.

Oops, sorry Im sticking up for the have nots again. How shameful of me. I shall disappear again for a while because our lack of support for the working mans fight sickens me.

Fu.. the corps, fu.. sky/BT and kudos to those continue to call out fooball and corporate greed.

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Ignoring the fact that Stan is woman beater(disgusting stare of affairs that )

He does make a interesting point does he not. Yes , its not Cardiff. But if clubs were more like Bayern then happy days.

So just to clarify you would accept paying £12 a game for seats behind the goals and that would be cheap enough to stop you complaining?

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

You will be surprised I think by the numbers who would take Sam back in a heartbeat simply because we have lost the buzz and the enthusiasm.

From what I am reading on various posts, the low background grumbles against Tan are getting louder.

Those who say "Tan is paying the wages", yes he is, and thank you. 95% of owners of other clubs are also keeping their businesses afloat and also see that they now need to enthuse and attract fans to help them to do that. Tan clearly does not want us and wants to sell. He haf a chance, but turned it down because he hates Sam.

Tan is a million miles away owner, who treats this as a business, does not understand passion and enthusiasm, who sticks his nose into playing affairs and transfers to the detriment of the paying public.

Yes, am sure you would wonder when i'd pipe up. But yes, Tan Out, Sam IN.

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

You will be surprised I think by the numbers who would take Sam back in a heartbeat simply because we have lost the buzz and the enthusiasm.

From what I am reading on various posts, the low background grumbles against Tan are getting louder.

Those who say "Tan is paying the wages", yes he is, and thank you. 95% of owners of other clubs are also keeping their businesses afloat and also see that they now need to enthuse and attract fans to help them to do that. Tan clearly does not want us and wants to sell. He haf a chance, but turned it down because he hates Sam.

Tan is a million miles away owner, who treats this as a business, does not understand passion and enthusiasm, who sticks his nose into playing affairs and transfers to the detriment of the paying public.

Yes, am sure you would wonder when i'd pipe up. But yes, Tan Out, Sam IN.

Very little proof he actually stuck his nose into the playing side. Aside from a few comments which he seemingly made in jest.

Difference is Tan pays the wages from his money. No other owner has done that.

Fair point, but too many managers, going back to Malky signed players and never played them. A bit too much of a coincidence for me.

Also, you never know but there may be a few owners out there who are put out as I'm sure they have paid wages out of their own pocket as well.

Ahh, apologies, Am guessing you mean no other Cardiff owner has done that.......

Ahh, apologies, Am guessing you mean no other Cardiff owner has done that.......

Correct.

The fact Malky signed players he didn’t play proves nothing. He just wasn’t that good at signing players.

Let face it every Club in the championship are in the shit and pay most of there income out in wages, something has to be done a wage cap would be sensible

Spot on this post, wage cap at the very least. My point is and Im astonished that I need to explain it.

Who's paying and subsidising this excessive lifestle. Us the fans thats who, merchandise, season tickets, food in staduim,etc.

Football pyramid needs ripping up from top down. Lots of Football clubs are not a viable business because of wages.

When comes to any thought process in the boardroom we are last. First are Players,agents, transfer and agent fees. We get the scraps!!

Ticket prices

10 a ticket, 5 for kids, 40 for a full kit, 150 season ticket. Fu.. the millionaires and look after your own. 20 is plenty for away trips and subsidised away travel. Stop exploiting our love of football and the club you follow.

Robbing bastards, see the champions leage prices for tickets. Scandelous, and yet no protest.Perhaps super league will be cheaper. The happy few who can afford go though.


Fu... off footbal and go bust.

Don't buy a ticket then. Stop going to games and stop buying merch.

Your post is completely hypocritical otherwise.

The guy is an unthinking hypocrite...

Ahh, apologies, Am guessing you mean no other Cardiff owner has done that.......

Correct.

The fact Malky signed players he didn’t play proves nothing. He just wasn’t that good at signing players.

So it does prove something then?

Ahh, apologies, Am guessing you mean no other Cardiff owner has done that.......

Correct.

The fact Malky signed players he didn’t play proves nothing. He just wasn’t that good at signing players.

So it does prove something then?

Sorry, I tried to edit to clarify, just that post is contradictory,not having a pop.

Thanks Keith,

Does Dalman, Choo, Tan have wages, expenses from City?
As to the incomes during the promotions and prem years did the accounts show incomes from gates, merchandise, advertising etc?
Do the accounts show the actual expenses taken in our club?
Do you think that by now the clubs debts should be a lot less?

Great questions.

Mate, cheers but still waiting on Keith to answer them?
Out of curiosity I noticed all the parachute payments , seven years of them are not included in our incomes?

Great Post Keith and backed my thoughts in terms of the alleged 500m we have received to be way off. Running any football club is an expensive hobby which Tan has clearly found out.

Since Sam Hammam drove us to the bring or financial ruin all I have ever wanted.was the club to be as close to financial stability as possible. What league we were playing I don't care.

The same fans moan at the club about debt and the club not spending money....cake and eat it always comes to my mind with some supporters.

Whether Tan is putting 3m in I feel will be possible as we have gone through a pandemic so makes.sense when the wage bill is still high. Club need keep reduce wage bill and pick up bargains like ng.

Watching Lincoln City just now they have a fair few bright young players.

With respect, I think you need to rethink your condemnation of Sam. He simply ran out of time and money to finish the superb job he started; and that is a big part of why people like Blue Lagoon need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's more money intense now than it was even 10 years ago...

We have a choice to play or fold our hand; and thankfully, with the current owner we can far better afford to stay in the game than most...

Having said that, I'd have a certain financially stable Lebanese buisnessman back tomorrow

Can you imagine the buzz...?

With respect you are in the minority about having Sam back. You say he run out of money....let's check that shall we....he didn't use his money he took loans in the clubs name. Yes he was a maverick, and I did love him when he initially came but the facts are he was holding the club to ransom and is still doing so seeking more money. I do respect you and all fans opinions but from my viewpoint it seems alot of the supporters who were very close and probably too close to Sam will never have a bad would said against him.

its the opposite ...
yes he borrowed money.... is that a crime...have other owners done the same.is it rare ..has VT borrowed ...
or does the criteria change like the wind
ransom...... how exactly do either hold a club to ransom....surely if not owed money he dont get paid...

My understanding is that Sam was paying off the loan (which was taken out against the club) with wages he was taking from the club.

Tan is definitely not doing that.

I was a fan of Sam by the way. He must have had funds of some description else others could have done it before him.

we dont know how much or who Tan pays..... and the money that was stumped up was a loan to VT not a gift....
but yes if its so easy you and boyo could have taken out a provident loan and done the same..... its ridiculous...
i was greatfull then.....and greatefull now ... and tbh thank god im not envious , certainly not of a few that had an ice cream....

Without Sam where would we be?

League four at best mate, no one else wanted us when we were nobodies with crowds of less than five thousand and in a dilapidated stadium and only known for hooligans.