Fri May 21, 2021 9:48 pm
Sat May 22, 2021 8:44 am
skidemin wrote:wez1927 wrote:fred keenor wrote:Well worth remembering when most of the country were at home with -20% of thier pay.
None of the players took a reduction in pay, they all deferred 25% of their pay.
Joe has been handsomely paid for his time with us , refused the offer of a new reduced contract, despite the club losing its parachute payments, no income from the fans etc and currently suffering from a major injury.
We need players who want to play for the club.
Rant over
Well said too
indeed...should have stayed at home... been the only one to take a pay cut... accepted a contract 3 years ago for less than offered.. not run so hard to not get injured and maybe should have taken one of those offers he has previously turned down....
Sat May 22, 2021 8:50 am
fred keenor wrote:Well worth remembering when most of the country were at home with -20% of thier pay.
None of the players took a reduction in pay, they all deferred 25% of their pay.
Joe has been handsomely paid for his time with us , refused the offer of a new reduced contract, despite the club losing its parachute payments, no income from the fans etc and currently suffering from a major injury.
We need players who want to play for the club.
Rant over
Sat May 22, 2021 8:51 am
Sat May 22, 2021 8:59 am
Sat May 22, 2021 9:31 am
maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
Sat May 22, 2021 10:12 am
Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Sat May 22, 2021 10:45 am
Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Sat May 22, 2021 12:32 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
Sat May 22, 2021 12:59 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
Sat May 22, 2021 2:40 pm
Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Sat May 22, 2021 2:52 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Sat May 22, 2021 3:04 pm
Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Agree with the Ridsdale bit but but not Ledley. My understanding was that an offer was made early but it was pretty much decided he wanted to leave for the Premier League after 'interest' was shown...
A matter of conjecture what was and/or wasn't offered during some very difficult times but what happened next was a matter of fact and Joe departed on a free (as was his right) to Scotland, leaving his 'beloved' City without even the minimal of compensation at a time they really needed it
Sat May 22, 2021 3:24 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Agree with the Ridsdale bit but but not Ledley. My understanding was that an offer was made early but it was pretty much decided he wanted to leave for the Premier League after 'interest' was shown...
A matter of conjecture what was and/or wasn't offered during some very difficult times but what happened next was a matter of fact and Joe departed on a free (as was his right) to Scotland, leaving his 'beloved' City without even the minimal of compensation at a time they really needed it
We really needed it but also turned down offers from premier league teams so it was mismanagement. As occurred frequently in them days.
JFH turning up for pre season training and it costing us £150,000 wasn’t it?
Sat May 22, 2021 3:40 pm
Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Agree with the Ridsdale bit but but not Ledley. My understanding was that an offer was made early but it was pretty much decided he wanted to leave for the Premier League after 'interest' was shown...
A matter of conjecture what was and/or wasn't offered during some very difficult times but what happened next was a matter of fact and Joe departed on a free (as was his right) to Scotland, leaving his 'beloved' City without even the minimal of compensation at a time they really needed it
We really needed it but also turned down offers from premier league teams so it was mismanagement. As occurred frequently in them days.
JFH turning up for pre season training and it costing us £150,000 wasn’t it?
I was disappointed JFH was forced out; butbyes, there was some very poor management back then
Sat May 22, 2021 4:05 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Agree with the Ridsdale bit but but not Ledley. My understanding was that an offer was made early but it was pretty much decided he wanted to leave for the Premier League after 'interest' was shown...
A matter of conjecture what was and/or wasn't offered during some very difficult times but what happened next was a matter of fact and Joe departed on a free (as was his right) to Scotland, leaving his 'beloved' City without even the minimal of compensation at a time they really needed it
We really needed it but also turned down offers from premier league teams so it was mismanagement. As occurred frequently in them days.
JFH turning up for pre season training and it costing us £150,000 wasn’t it?
I was disappointed JFH was forced out; butbyes, there was some very poor management back then
I sort of agree but his legs seemed to have gone towards the end of the season. His value was in improving those around him a d you can’t deny he did that.
Ledley being one beneficiary.
Sat May 22, 2021 4:57 pm
maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
Sat May 22, 2021 5:11 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
there were 2 years between Fowler and JFH leaving and all this Ledley stuff.... and he was offered the first of a number of contract extensions going back 12 months prior to him being out of contract.... he obviously thought he could do better or that his future lay elsewhere... did we offer enough ? was it even purely money ? only he knows that..
Sat May 22, 2021 5:33 pm
Sat May 22, 2021 5:35 pm
Sam ReaN wrote:Joe is NOT moving away he is currently renting a place so his other house in cowbridge gets built.
So hope he stays
Sat May 22, 2021 5:38 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
there were 2 years between Fowler and JFH leaving and all this Ledley stuff.... and he was offered the first of a number of contract extensions going back 12 months prior to him being out of contract.... he obviously thought he could do better or that his future lay elsewhere... did we offer enough ? was it even purely money ? only he knows that..
Sat May 22, 2021 5:45 pm
Sven wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Joe is NOT moving away he is currently renting a place so his other house in cowbridge gets built.
So hope he stays
Interesting, Sam; and I know you have a relative who lives close by to Joe...![]()
The only anomaly is that some wag reckoned his mats (I can't go through all that again) was moving him to Surrey?
Is the house in Cowbridge or Surrey? If the latter, maybe just for the Summer?
I was a little shocked he could get a deal elsewhere whilst injured...
Sat May 22, 2021 5:48 pm
Sat May 22, 2021 6:13 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
there were 2 years between Fowler and JFH leaving and all this Ledley stuff.... and he was offered the first of a number of contract extensions going back 12 months prior to him being out of contract.... he obviously thought he could do better or that his future lay elsewhere... did we offer enough ? was it even purely money ? only he knows that..
Haven’t said anything different. He was being paid a pittance in comparison to the then despite clearly being our best player the season they were here. (10 goals in 40 games). That got premier league interest when Cardiff started turning down big offers for him. That is when we should have given him a new contract to reflect his new value. Teams do it all the time.
We only saw the need when he was in his last 12 months. Too late by then.
Sat May 22, 2021 6:29 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
there were 2 years between Fowler and JFH leaving and all this Ledley stuff.... and he was offered the first of a number of contract extensions going back 12 months prior to him being out of contract.... he obviously thought he could do better or that his future lay elsewhere... did we offer enough ? was it even purely money ? only he knows that..
Haven’t said anything different. He was being paid a pittance in comparison to the then despite clearly being our best player the season they were here. (10 goals in 40 games). That got premier league interest when Cardiff started turning down big offers for him. That is when we should have given him a new contract to reflect his new value. Teams do it all the time.
We only saw the need when he was in his last 12 months. Too late by then.
youve said you didnt say different then bounced straight to what players had been payed 2 years prior
the only hard offer was the day before the window closed 18 months prior to his departure...
Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 pm
Sat May 22, 2021 11:17 pm
Sun May 23, 2021 1:40 am
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:Sven wrote:Escott1927 wrote:maccydee wrote:I’ve said we have fickle fans in the past.
He injured himself giving his all. We could never say he didn’t ever give his all.
What club doesn't?
Maybe, but this is OUR club and we are (usually) better than that...![]()
Are we?
I’m sort of glad he’s going.
It saves all the digs at the committee for the new contract if he doesn’t get back to where he was before.
I meant for not slating players for leaving not necessarily of their own choosing...
It was a lower than current offer by the club (rightly IMHO) that Joe rejected and so he moves on; unlike a certain 'home boy' who engineered his 'free' move when the club were in real dire straits...
He'll be replaced and we'll move on
Not having that about Lesley.
Club didn’t reward him when he was by far our best player and this at a time when Fowler and JFH were on daft money. They even offered a new deal to Fowler.
Ledley was only offered new terms as he got close to his expiring. He deserved more money well before especially as big offers were made.
Ridsdale was a very good spin man.
there were 2 years between Fowler and JFH leaving and all this Ledley stuff.... and he was offered the first of a number of contract extensions going back 12 months prior to him being out of contract.... he obviously thought he could do better or that his future lay elsewhere... did we offer enough ? was it even purely money ? only he knows that..
Haven’t said anything different. He was being paid a pittance in comparison to the then despite clearly being our best player the season they were here. (10 goals in 40 games). That got premier league interest when Cardiff started turning down big offers for him. That is when we should have given him a new contract to reflect his new value. Teams do it all the time.
We only saw the need when he was in his last 12 months. Too late by then.
youve said you didnt say different then bounced straight to what players had been payed 2 years prior
the only hard offer was the day before the window closed 18 months prior to his departure...
We are on different sides of the fence here and I can’t be arsed going into the weeds.
We fucked up. Ledley left on a free. Our loss.
Had we offered him a good deal when he was an established member of the team (and when we were dishing out 25k deals to has been strikers) he more than likely would have signed. We delayed and lost him for nothing.
Sun May 23, 2021 6:42 am
Sam ReaN wrote:Joe is NOT moving away he is currently renting a place so his other house in cowbridge gets built.
So hope he stays
Sun May 23, 2021 6:46 am
Sam ReaN wrote:Sven wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Joe is NOT moving away he is currently renting a place so his other house in cowbridge gets built.
So hope he stays
Interesting, Sam; and I know you have a relative who lives close by to Joe...![]()
The only anomaly is that some wag reckoned his mats (I can't go through all that again) was moving him to Surrey?
Is the house in Cowbridge or Surrey? If the latter, maybe just for the Summer?
I was a little shocked he could get a deal elsewhere whilst injured...
Not sure
He currently lives in cowbridge
I would love nothing more than for Joe to stick around because I bet he would want to say goodbye with fans watching him next season.
And if he stays he can help out youngsters like Bagan.