' Palestine / Israel '

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

maybe if you have to fire 600 misiles to kill one person when your trying to kill thousands you should be asking Iran for a bit of a refund ?
or even better not buy them in the first place.... as for the Nuke remark...i think whoever put that on wiki got carried away....

It's not so much that the weapons Iran supply Hamas are faulty, it's the effectiveness of Israel's defences. The Iron Dome is pretty incredible and it's extremely effective too, the stuff Iran sells to Hamas just isn't good enough. And the Iron Dome is just one of multiple defences that Israel has.
As for the nuke comment that was more of a tongue in cheek way of describing the disparity between Israel and Palestine. Not an actually statistically comparable scenario.

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

so the answer to them hiding in schools and hospitals is they would be wiped out if they didnt ....... the same people who would have zero concerns about wiping out israel and all its inhabitants ..

Yeah, it's not a hard concept to understand, people don't like dying. Not sure what point you're trying to make? Soldiers going out to kill enemies still wear armour and helmets to stop themselves being killed. It would be stupid if they didn't.

' Palestine / Israel '
Postby Forever Blue » Tue May 18, 2021 9:51 am

No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it

Totally agree. Not a fan of either, but New York Times report 232 killed by Israelis and 12 killed by Hamas, plus the whole thing kicked off by Israel ignoring an international agreement as they seem to believe that agreements don't apply to them!

' Palestine / Israel '
Postby Forever Blue » Tue May 18, 2021 9:51 am

No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it

Totally agree. Not a fan of either, but New York Times report 232 killed by Israelis and 12 killed by Hamas, plus the whole thing kicked off by Israel ignoring an international agreement as they seem to believe that agreements don't apply to them!

There were clashes in Jersualem. This escalated with rockets from Gaza sent by Hamas. This made things a lot worse and started the heavy handed response from Israel. But as usual, Hamas started the actions that risked people dying.

The oppressed have become the oppresser.Apparantly there are right wing fascist Jews. I find that hard to comprehend.

If someone came along and wanted to kick an elderly relative out of their home I would want to fight back.

I didn't have a great experience of visiting Isreal,admittedly it was only for one day.I could see the hatred in the courier's face.

Whilst walking through the walls of old Jerusalem my sandal had broken.I tried to buy some new ones from a Arab shop. He courier shouted if you get lost its your fault. We went a few yards fewer and he gave us a talk I thought -tosser,

Then in Bethlehem the arab street sellers came on the bus the courier went nuts,

My Mrs bought some Christmas wooden bells off one of the guys. AS he left she shouted these bells don't ring,He shouted back

they are Christmas bells they only ring at Christmas.

After the second world war when the Jews were trying to set up their own state, The British were on the side of the Palestinians.

Many of our troops were killed and injured. It was only when the Yanks recognised Israel that The British switched sides.

I can’t understand the love in with the Jews.They strung up Jesus. Didn't they?

Well, why did previous generations all do nothing when Jews were persecuted and murdered, other than step back and applaud. This probably includes many peoples’ parents and ancestors on this board between 1928 - 1945 when the Nazis were defeated. (Note the word ‘probably’ as I don’t know this with any certainty).

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

so the answer to them hiding in schools and hospitals is they would be wiped out if they didnt ....... the same people who would have zero concerns about wiping out israel and all its inhabitants ..

Yeah, it's not a hard concept to understand, people don't like dying. Not sure what point you're trying to make? Soldiers going out to kill enemies still wear armour and helmets to stop themselves being killed. It would be stupid if they didn't.

so your comparing hiding behind the ill weak and young to wearing a helmet.

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

so the answer to them hiding in schools and hospitals is they would be wiped out if they didnt ....... the same people who would have zero concerns about wiping out israel and all its inhabitants ..

Yeah, it's not a hard concept to understand, people don't like dying. Not sure what point you're trying to make? Soldiers going out to kill enemies still wear armour and helmets to stop themselves being killed. It would be stupid if they didn't.

so your comparing hiding behind the ill weak and young to wearing a helmet.

I’m comparing people not wanting to die with people not wanting to die.

I don’t condone their methods but the simple truth is a “Hamas HQ” would simply be a smouldering crater.

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

Sadly when one places such little value on life Israel feel it is the only way to respond.

Hamas is an extreme group that won't except anything but a recognise Palestine. Thing is I don't believe they represent the Palestine people. I would go as far as saying they would be quite happy living within Israel amongst Israel people providing it brings peace. I say this as a person that has worked out in the Middle east, Saudi Arabia, and got to know a few of them. They all say there is no war between Israel and Saud and all the disharmony is stirred up by these extreme groups like Hamas.

I do believe that Israel response to these Hamas rockets was wrong. They should have done a ground attack to take out these extreme Hamas idiots. Unfortunately they chose air attacks because mainly no Israeli lives would have been loss. I would imagine the loss of innocent Palestine lives was at the bottom of the Israel agenda. Hamas knew this so carried out rocket attacks to try and turn the world against Israel.

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

Sadly when one places such little value on life Israel feel it is the only way to respond.

Hamas is an extreme group that won't except anything but a recognise Palestine. Thing is I don't believe they represent the Palestine people. I would go as far as saying they would be quite happy living within Israel amongst Israel people providing it brings peace. I say this as a person that has worked out in the Middle east, Saudi Arabia, and got to know a few of them. They all say there is no war between Israel and Saud and all the disharmony is stirred up by these extreme groups like Hamas.

I do believe that Israel response to these Hamas rockets was wrong. They should have done a ground attack to take out these extreme Hamas idiots. Unfortunately they chose air attacks because mainly no Israeli lives would have been loss. I would imagine the loss of innocent Palestine lives was at the bottom of the Israel agenda. Hamas knew this so carried out rocket attacks to try and turn the world against Israel.

Sums it up ,in the state of isreal there are many 1000s of arabs getting on with there lives in peace without the hatred of groups like hamas

The oppressed have become the oppresser.Apparantly there are right wing fascist Jews. I find that hard to comprehend.

If someone came along and wanted to kick an elderly relative out of their home I would want to fight back.

I didn't have a great experience of visiting Isreal,admittedly it was only for one day.I could see the hatred in the courier's face.

Whilst walking through the walls of old Jerusalem my sandal had broken.I tried to buy some new ones from a Arab shop. He courier shouted if you get lost its your fault. We went a few yards fewer and he gave us a talk I thought -tosser,

Then in Bethlehem the arab street sellers came on the bus the courier went nuts,

My Mrs bought some Christmas wooden bells off one of the guys. AS he left she shouted these bells don't ring,He shouted back

they are Christmas bells they only ring at Christmas.

After the second world war when the Jews were trying to set up their own state, The British were on the side of the Palestinians.

Many of our troops were killed and injured. It was only when the Yanks recognised Israel that The British switched sides.

I can’t understand the love in with the Jews.They strung up Jesus. Didn't they?

I thought the Romans did. And as i pointed out in an earlier post Hammas and Hisbollah are quite adept at suicide bombings and more than one of these have targeted busses in Israel, perhaps your courier had your safety and welfare in mind when he tried to get these Arab traders off your bus.

Israel should stop land grabbing it should not be happening ,but does a land dispute justify firing hundreds of rockets ,and hamas are a recognised terrorist group don't forget,so for a start people should not be supporting there actions

Israel should stop land grabbing it should not be happening ,but does a land dispute justify firing hundreds of rockets ,and hamas are a recognised terrorist group don't forget,so for a start people should not be supporting there actions

Mate if your homes were taken from you and your families killed cold bloodily, yes.
Israel should be tried for war crimes, just like the Nazis were on them, enough.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

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Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

Thank you for that and that map alone should state the truth everyone , I forgot to look for it, sad, but very much appreciated.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

You go back another 40 years than that map and you will see there is no such place as Palestine ,there has been different rulers and countries claiming the region over the past 400 years it has changed hands with different occupiers

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

maybe if you have to fire 600 misiles to kill one person when your trying to kill thousands you should be asking Iran for a bit of a refund ?
or even better not buy them in the first place.... as for the Nuke remark...i think whoever put that on wiki got carried away....

It's not so much that the weapons Iran supply Hamas are faulty, it's the effectiveness of Israel's defences. The Iron Dome is pretty incredible and it's extremely effective too, the stuff Iran sells to Hamas just isn't good enough. And the Iron Dome is just one of multiple defences that Israel has.
As for the nuke comment that was more of a tongue in cheek way of describing the disparity between Israel and Palestine. Not an actually statistically comparable scenario.

indeed...my point ineffective misiles but on 23k and still counting...

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

so the answer to them hiding in schools and hospitals is they would be wiped out if they didnt ....... the same people who would have zero concerns about wiping out israel and all its inhabitants ..

Yeah, it's not a hard concept to understand, people don't like dying. Not sure what point you're trying to make? Soldiers going out to kill enemies still wear armour and helmets to stop themselves being killed. It would be stupid if they didn't.

so your comparing hiding behind the ill weak and young to wearing a helmet.

I’m comparing people not wanting to die with people not wanting to die.

I don’t condone their methods but the simple truth is a “Hamas HQ” would simply be a smouldering crater.

your condoning hiding behind the very young and old and weak while waging war....

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so your comparing hiding behind the ill weak and young to wearing a helmet.

I’m comparing people not wanting to die with people not wanting to die.

I don’t condone their methods but the simple truth is a “Hamas HQ” would simply be a smouldering crater.

your condoning hiding behind the very young and old and weak while waging war....

But I’m not. Where have I said I agree with what they’re doing? Nowhere.
I’m simply saying I understand why they’re doing it.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

1948 actually and you have got to go back further than that. You have to go back to Moses time when the Jews who are Israel returned to the Promised Land. The Romans just after Jesus time kicked them out. It was prophesised that they would return and 1948 was the fulfilment of that Prophecy. So Biblically its the Jews home.

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

the second image is not a map its a cherrypicked plan , one of many plans ,some of which had Isreal bigger

of course looking at history and understanding an all you know this... oh and history goes back a tad longer than 1947...

No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it

Correct. This new escalation started when Israeli soldiers stormed a mosque in Jerusalem. This can in no way be called a fair fight, the military might of Isrsel is a million times greater than the futile response from Palestinians.

64 children have so far died in Gaza, countless innocent women and children have been injured, thousands are petrified. This is not a war its war crime...


https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status ... 72739?s=19

No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it

Correct. This new escalation started when Israeli soldiers stormed a mosque in Jerusalem. This can in no way be called a fair fight, the military might of Isrsel is a million times greater than the futile response from Palestinians.

64 children have so far died in Gaza, countless innocent women and children have been injured, thousands are petrified. This is not a war its war crime...


https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status ... 72739?s=19

Exactly, its pointless explaining to many on here as they only listen to the BBC / Sky news biased to Israel and dont know the real facts.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...


The British were given the role by the International Community.. they didnt just decide to have a go at it. Problem with the land issues goes centuries back, with both sides producing documents of ownership at various stages..The Jews were there in at least 1000BC. Palestine was always considered part of Syria, and it was only really in the 1930s that a Palestininian State was being discussed. Palestine has never existed.

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No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it

Correct. This new escalation started when Israeli soldiers stormed a mosque in Jerusalem. This can in no way be called a fair fight, the military might of Isrsel is a million times greater than the futile response from Palestinians.

64 children have so far died in Gaza, countless innocent women and children have been injured, thousands are petrified. This is not a war its war crime...


https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status ... 72739?s=19

Exactly, its pointless explaining to many on here as they only listen to the BBC / Sky news biased to Israel and dont know the real facts.

I agree with you, although, to be fair, the BBC coverage of this has been pretty balanced and demonstrated how much the Palestinians are suffering compared to the Israelis !!

The attached I think is 100% true - for any nationality scared by opponents and oppressors. In 2021 it is about time that we learned to live in peace - all of us; the whole world

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CPAbdFRnOj1/

Seize Fire ...

Just a thought. But if the innocent palestinain civilians were against violence and really wanted peace (remember their "constitution" contains the destruction of Israel) then they would rise up against the terrorists that control their country, drive them out and then negotiate to live peacefully alongside Israelis.

So easier said than done.

Whilst Israel continue to bulldoze normal family homes and rebuild and put more Israeli people on their land and that is the truth and the real problem.


Israel don’t want that to happen they want to totally wipe our Palestine.

Totally agree with Forever Blue. You have to look at the history in order to understand the current situation. Israel didn't exist before 1947. It was the then British government who invited stateless jews to form a homeland in Palestine. Following the war there was obvious sympathy but honestly what right did Westminster have to do this? Of course what started as a settlement became larger and larger...

Where is the pre-1947 map of Palestine? Oh wait it doesn't exist because it was Syria.

I dont particularly agree with Israel, conceptually the idea of an Jewish ethno-state seems as insular as an Iran's caliphate but the image posted is misleading as it implies Palestine has been conquered when it was land carved out by the league of nations after WW1 as a home for the Jews.

It was always going to expand the Israeli flag represents Israel (white) between the sea and the river Jordan (blue) and it was designed as a two state nation which the arabs rejected.

Take religion and politics away and the Jews and arabs would get on fine. That won't happen though so they'll keep fighting each other like they have done for thousands of years.

Hammas lobbing missile after missile at Israel is just idiotic though.

The attacks are in effective and the response is always swift and far more deadly.

Regardless of morals it is just a tactic destined to fail so maybe they will finally learn that it might be time to get the whole irradication of Israel shite off their charter and come to the negotiation table like adults this time around.

Won't hold my breath though