Are Wales falling behind England in the vaccines?

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

It looks like they have prioritised 2nd jabs, I'm not sure why 1st doses give 90% protection and the aim was to get all 50 year olds plus and vulnerable groups done as quickly as possible and then give 2nd dose at 12 weeks.

I don't think it really makes sense if we already have an older generation then I would have thought logically it would have made sense to have gone the other way and keep the gap to twelve weeks so less people are left unprotected?

I also agree the figures should be clearer with percentages of people vaccinated through the different cohorts not we've sent more letters/phone calls than they have.

Latest research appears to show that the second jab is best effective closer to the original was 6 weeks window than the 12 week that had been artificially put in to help get more people through the initial jab

People now being second vaccinated much earlier for maximum effect

I've also read somewhere that they are expecting a massive flu/cold rise next winter, as our immunities are weekend due to the big drops during the Covid-19 period, which makes me ask 'Is there a link between the two; or simply Covid-19 is by far the stronger organism?'

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

It looks like they have prioritised 2nd jabs, I'm not sure why 1st doses give 90% protection and the aim was to get all 50 year olds plus and vulnerable groups done as quickly as possible and then give 2nd dose at 12 weeks.

I don't think it really makes sense if we already have an older generation then I would have thought logically it would have made sense to have gone the other way and keep the gap to twelve weeks so less people are left unprotected?

I also agree the figures should be clearer with percentages of people vaccinated through the different cohorts not we've sent more letters/phone calls than they have.

Latest research appears to show that the second jab is best effective closer to the original was 6 weeks window than the 12 week that had been artificially put in to help get more people through the initial jab

People now being second vaccinated much earlier for maximum effect

I've also read somewhere that they are expecting a massive flu/cold rise next winter, as our immunities are weekend due to the big drops during the Covid-19 period, which makes me ask 'Is there a link between the two; or simply Covid-19 is by far the stronger organism?'

Chris
How strange that now covid is being vaccinated against and deaths are falling that all if a sudden we are going to get a surge in flue deaths/cases when it's been officially reported there's been a massive decrease in deaths from flu coincidence? Maybe lots people didn't die of covid but of flu but better to say covid instead!

Dont go by what politicians say as probably misleading! But I do know for definite that 2nd vaccination dose are being advanced from original dates mine is on Sunday 4wks ahead of original date and this is replicated everywhere in Wales. Make of that what you will.

Clearly so either Drakeford or Gething can show a graph that puts their performance in a good light. Sadly many in Wales will believe this sort of stuff like when they claimed Wales was the first to complete the top 4 cohorts when ALL they had done was send a letter.

I don't actually think anyone would mind if they just said we are getting on and giving the 2nd dose of the Pfizer within the 12 weeks as at least that group of people are going to get the maximum benefit, that has to be a good thing.

It looks like they have prioritised 2nd jabs, I'm not sure why 1st doses give 90% protection and the aim was to get all 50 year olds plus and vulnerable groups done as quickly as possible and then give 2nd dose at 12 weeks.

I don't think it really makes sense if we already have an older generation then I would have thought logically it would have made sense to have gone the other way and keep the gap to twelve weeks so less people are left unprotected?

I also agree the figures should be clearer with percentages of people vaccinated through the different cohorts not we've sent more letters/phone calls than they have.

Latest research appears to show that the second jab is best effective closer to the original was 6 weeks window than the 12 week that had been artificially put in to help get more people through the initial jab

People now being second vaccinated much earlier for maximum effect

I've also read somewhere that they are expecting a massive flu/cold rise next winter, as our immunities are weekend due to the big drops during the Covid-19 period, which makes me ask 'Is there a link between the two; or simply Covid-19 is by far the stronger organism?'

Chris
How strange that now covid is being vaccinated against and deaths are falling that all if a sudden we are going to get a surge in flue deaths/cases when it's been officially reported there's been a massive decrease in deaths from flu coincidence? Maybe lots people didn't die of covid but of flu but better to say covid instead!

They say it's because flu is not that transmissible, so the measures have all but eliminated it, but on the downside we have been distancing and not picking up bugs and flu, so immunity levels are low around the World. The other problem is that because there is hardly any cases around the World, that are not sure which flu variants to include in the vaccine. If they get it right it may not be so bad, if they get it wrong, then very few people will have any immunity.

It will also depend on distancing, if that remains it shouldn't be too bad, but if the measures stop quickly it can reappear.

55 to 59 being done now boyos

55 to 59 being done now boyos

That's good my GP still doing pensioners?

Is that publicised anywhere?

55 to 59 being done now boyos

Depends where you live!
They’re not doing that age group across Wales per se.

I know someone who’s had it in his late 40’s and my mate who’s 50 has had it the other week.

55 - 59 My partner has an appointment next Tuesday at Cwmbran stadium. If you are in a group above and not been vaccinated ring your doctors

55 - 59 My partner has an appointment next Tuesday at Cwmbran stadium. If you are in a group above and not been vaccinated ring your doctors

I’m 58 in RCT and not heard anything. My sister in law also RCT is 62 and also not heard.

55 - 59 My partner has an appointment next Tuesday at Cwmbran stadium. If you are in a group above and not been vaccinated ring your doctors

I’m 58 in RCT and not heard anything. My sister in law also RCT is 62 and also not heard.

It is totally random some here having it at gp others got to go to town yet live in same place ...... I wanted to change location from Cardiff on Sunday to somewhere local told they couldn't do it I had to find out myself who to contact to change location I said no its to chaotic she agreed ....... what can tell is every area as its own system and fone number for vaccine and cannot deviate from it (well not easily ) as definitive doses allocated to each place of vaccination.. who gets it and who doesn't as no logic either

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

Which then turns into are Wales doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger proportion of their population or are England doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger age range. Which again splits into the secondary debate of whether using remaining doses for 2nd jabs or using remaining doses for 1st jabs is more effective.

My point is though when you’ve got ~22 million sets of data, making conclusions from 0.0002% of that data is much too small.

With 22 million sets of data - any statistician could give you any stat you wanted. I have an accountant as a brother and a lawyer for a wife. With that amount of data - you could get any stat you want.

What I was simply trying to point out was that - with the family members I know - the ones in England got jabbed earlier. Whilst all the family members and friends that got in Wales were done later, in some cases much later.
ps - the reason Wales bought forward the second jab date is that (in Cardiff anyway) there was slack in the system as there was a delay in the AZ delivery - so they bought forward the initial Pfizer second jab dates. And no I dont have the statistical data on it , just a sister that works at the Heath and is responsible for getting all her 200 staff a secondary jab within a matter of a couple of days notice.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

Which then turns into are Wales doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger proportion of their population or are England doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger age range. Which again splits into the secondary debate of whether using remaining doses for 2nd jabs or using remaining doses for 1st jabs is more effective.

My point is though when you’ve got ~22 million sets of data, making conclusions from 0.0002% of that data is much too small.

With 22 million sets of data - any statistician could give you any stat you wanted. I have an accountant as a brother and a lawyer for a wife. With that amount of data - you could get any stat you want.

What I was simply trying to point out was that - with the family members I know - the ones in England got jabbed earlier. Whilst all the family members and friends that got in Wales were done later, in some cases much later.
ps - the reason Wales bought forward the second jab date is that (in Cardiff anyway) there was slack in the system as there was a delay in the AZ delivery - so they bought forward the initial Pfizer second jab dates. And no I dont have the statistical data on it , just a sister that works at the Heath and is responsible for getting all her 200 staff a secondary jab within a matter of a couple of days notice.

Yes I heard the same about the Pfizer seems like a bit of a tactical decision to favour a double dose on the health workers, rather than work through the age groups as the rest of the UK are doing, as a result we are mostly doing pensioners and they are mostly doing people in their fifties.

"Sorry it was 27% but that is in Wales. The PHW website is saying of that cohort group 62876 of 232873 have received their first dose (27%).

I think with the EU playing hard ball on exports of vaccines it maybe the Welsh Government have decided to use those they have in storage to give the 2nd dose and yes it will be health and care home workers. They were given the top priority in Wales I think because they could travel to the mass vaccination centres, like Cwmbran stadium."

From my sister who works at the Heath - all health staff (and anyone else on the pfizer jab) have had theirs brought forward as the AZ supply is low (at the moment) - so they are utilising the time to get the second Pfizer vaxs done. In a few weeks the AZ vax are supposed to be 'in stock' so to speak, which is when things will ramp back up.

Im not interested in politicians spin on the numbers / % - as you can manipulate stats any way you like to get the answer / win you want. I only go on my real life experience of having family members in England and Wales where they are in the same cohort groups. And so far in every case (aside from health workers) Welsh family members have been jabbed at a later date. I trust my family to get it right re the dates. I wouldnt trust a politician to give me "data" other than data they wanted me to hear.

And likewise it seems you won't believe any data that's given to you unless it's what you want to hear?

Your anecdotal evidence is a miniscule sample of what? 20-40 people spread over 5-7 places? In no statistical analysis or scientific research would such a small sample size be good enough on a national scale, those numbers would be a rounding error 5 places after the decimal point.

The vaccination numbers aren't hidden away, there are other outlets to view them that aren't from a politicians mouth.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Read the numbers for yourself, pretty much every piece of data you would want; daily increases, total numbers, 1st doses, 2nd doses, UK total or nation by nation. All of the data since the first vaccinations in December for you to make your own conclusions. Whilst what your family can tell you is useful, on it's own it's statistically useless to make a full conclusion.


There's also disparities like yours between towns and cities all across the UK for a multitude of reasons be it lack of staff, late shipments, spoiled batches, older population, wealth, etc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

In that link is a vaccination by regions tracker. Type in a city, get the data. From the few cities I put in, it ranges from 77% - 93% of that city's over 65 population that have had one dose. Sunderland for whatever reasons has a 93% vaccination rate in their over 65s.

He's probably right based on all the info, because Wales has an older population and has done more 2nd doses, he's saying as a result there are people in England getting vaccinated at younger ages?

Which then turns into are Wales doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger proportion of their population or are England doing better because they’ve vaccinated a larger age range. Which again splits into the secondary debate of whether using remaining doses for 2nd jabs or using remaining doses for 1st jabs is more effective.

My point is though when you’ve got ~22 million sets of data, making conclusions from 0.0002% of that data is much too small.

With 22 million sets of data - any statistician could give you any stat you wanted. I have an accountant as a brother and a lawyer for a wife. With that amount of data - you could get any stat you want.

What I was simply trying to point out was that - with the family members I know - the ones in England got jabbed earlier. Whilst all the family members and friends that got in Wales were done later, in some cases much later.
ps - the reason Wales bought forward the second jab date is that (in Cardiff anyway) there was slack in the system as there was a delay in the AZ delivery - so they bought forward the initial Pfizer second jab dates. And no I dont have the statistical data on it , just a sister that works at the Heath and is responsible for getting all her 200 staff a secondary jab within a matter of a couple of days notice.

Yes I heard the same about the Pfizer seems like a bit of a tactical decision to favour a double dose on the health workers, rather than work through the age groups as the rest of the UK are doing, as a result we are mostly doing pensioners and they are mostly doing people in their fifties.

There is talk of far greater supply now so hopefully they can get a move on now and fly through the whole population, and we can get some standard of living back, as this lockdown is dragging n forever

Wales covid vaccine number is
03003 031373.
If you think you've been missed give them a ring

Wales covid vaccine number is
03003 031373.
If you think you've been missed give them a ring

Need to tell the people at vaccine centres because the one I'm going to Sunday didn't have a clue of how I could change location of my jab.