‘ Cardiff City’s Lee Tomlin absence explained ‘

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

It’s not Big Micks fault only one person can help himself and that’s Lee Tomlin himself and sadly he is costing our club a fortune.

It’s not Big Micks fault only one person can help himself and that’s Lee Tomlin himself and sadly he is costing our club a fortune.

I see he didn't like your comments.

Overall Tomlin has been a disappointment. Yes he has had his good periods but when we all think he is over the worse he then disappears through injury. When a player goes missing through injury he credibility dives. Harsh perhaps but that's life in the football world.

I doubt we will see him again this season. He is tied to us for next season and if so hopefully he will prove most of us wrong.

It’s not Big Micks fault only one person can help himself and that’s Lee Tomlin himself and sadly he is costing our club a fortune.

I see he didn't like your comments.

Overall Tomlin has been a disappointment. Yes he has had his good periods but when we all think he is over the worse he then disappears through injury. When a player goes missing through injury he credibility dives. Harsh perhaps but that's life in the football world.

I doubt we will see him again this season. He is tied to us for next season and if so hopefully he will prove most of us wrong.

Ian,

Comments? just stated exactly what he later said himself that he was now ill.

Funny though Tomlin said he was a week ill and I had only said a few days??

Yet he played for U23's on the Thursday and said on Monday he had been off ill for a week.

Yesterday apparently I was 5mins out by how much football Tomlin has played in the last 5 months and he corrected me

I would be embarrassed to even comment on it if I had been him


Ian, Tomlin has only played 50 odd games for City in three and a half years, cost us £millions, he never disputed that.

If I was him I would be putting my head down and try and win over Big Mick

Ian,

I found this an interesting read


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=220918

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Everyone has given Tomlin including me, a chance, praised him when he has done well etc but I have noticed he has a habit of all this happening time and time again.
Injuries, attitude, problems and not keeping fit.

Yes he is brilliant on his day, say 15 games out of 50 games (incl subs) in well in 3 & a 1/2 years is not good enough and our country have made serious cut backs and for me we can’t afford a player that hardly plays.

Tomlin’s best spell was when he needed his contract to be extended.

As you say Chris, over to you Lee Tomlin prove everyone wrong but most of all do it for yourself and our club

Ian,

I found this an interesting read


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=220918

Yes I read that earlier and he is one of those types of footballers who have had to fight the demons inside him. A bit like George Best and Stan Collymore. I hope he does overcome them but my fear is he does not have much time to do this.

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Everyone has given Tomlin including me, a chance, praised him when he has done well etc but I have noticed he has a habit of all this happening time and time again.
Injuries, attitude, problems and not keeping fit.

Yes he is brilliant on his day, say 15 games out of 50 games (incl subs) in well in 3 & a 1/2 years is not good enough and our country have made serious cut backs and for me we can’t afford a player that hardly plays.

Tomlin’s best spell was when he needed his contract to be extended.

As you say Chris, over to you Lee Tomlin prove everyone wrong but most of all do it for yourself and our club

Saying he's only been good in 15 games since he arrived at the club is harsh imo. He made 36 appearances last season and he was the stand out player in most of the games he played. He was voted our player of the year last year.

As for being here 3 and a half years he spent half a season at Peterborough and half a season at Forest. Presumably a decent chunk of his wages and bonuses were being covered by those clubs.

This season is extremely disappointing I agree, even more so now as I think he would excel under MM. But if he can come back fit for the run in I think he'll be a very important impact player. And if we remain in the Championship next season and Tomlin is fit I would like him to stay personally.

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

its not a surprise.. which is the point most are making... the surgery was months ago and at the very least he should look fit even if not quite match fit...lets be honest here when he is as fit as he gets its still someway off the fitness most players are at..and a bit much expecting those who have come to accept that that he deserves even more slack.... his quality carried us to the play offs not him working his bollox off.. it was the 9 others working their bollox off which allowed him to show that quality...
as for whats gone online... could go eitherway... numerous managers have tried different approaches over 10 odd years... maybe mere fans having a pop might spur him on....who knows ?

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Sven, This is not a pop.

I understand that in all public arenas there is "groupthink". I just find it strange that this forum swings so wildly. A few weeks ago Tomlin coming back was the only morsel of comfort to cling to, now he is a pariah that we must get shot of. He is neither.

I would hope (unless in exceptional circumstances) that the entire forum is not all on one side or the other, it's boring if so and we just tell ourselves how good or bad we or a player is.

Lee is the same player as he was 8 months ago. He was a passenger for the first half when he started a game and a genius when he came on with 30mins to go. He's had an injury in an area where cardio training if difficult and has struggled to control his weight.
I didn't think it was a great idea to extend his contract but I was in the minority but forgetting that I just don't see what he has done so wrong to have so many of the Cardiff City forum so against him.
He was never likely to return as Robert Glatzels twin brother (physique wise) It was always going to a long haul to get him to match fit. It always is, its the player he has always been, the player whose contract we celebratedly extended only a short time ago.

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

its not a surprise.. which is the point most are making... the surgery was months ago and at the very least he should look fit even if not quite match fit...lets be honest here when he is as fit as he gets its still someway off the fitness most players are at..and a bit much expecting those who have come to accept that that he deserves even more slack.... his quality carried us to the play offs not him working his bollox off.. it was the 9 others working their bollox off which allowed him to show that quality...
as for whats gone online... could go eitherway... numerous managers have tried different approaches over 10 odd years... maybe mere fans having a pop might spur him on....who knows ?

Yes the op was months ago. But he didn't jump off the operating table, into his kit and back onto the training ground. It was a long time before he was even back on the grass. An unfit Tomlin still provides more creativity than the majority of players in this league. Hes not in the team to do what vaulks or ralls do, but when he played last season he always put a shift in. Regarding the online abuse, I was talking about him reacting to it. I'd probably vent as well if I was receiving loads of personal abuse online.

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

its not a surprise.. which is the point most are making... the surgery was months ago and at the very least he should look fit even if not quite match fit...lets be honest here when he is as fit as he gets its still someway off the fitness most players are at..and a bit much expecting those who have come to accept that that he deserves even more slack.... his quality carried us to the play offs not him working his bollox off.. it was the 9 others working their bollox off which allowed him to show that quality...
as for whats gone online... could go eitherway... numerous managers have tried different approaches over 10 odd years... maybe mere fans having a pop might spur him on....who knows ?

Yes the op was months ago. But he didn't jump off the operating table, into his kit and back onto the training ground. It was a long time before he was even back on the grass. An unfit Tomlin still provides more creativity than the majority of players in this league. Hes not in the team to do what vaulks or ralls do, but when he played last season he always put a shift in. Regarding the online abuse, I was talking about him reacting to it. I'd probably vent as well if I was receiving loads of personal abuse online.

hmmm.... last year his version of fit was probably as good as it gets , and i agree that once he crosses the white line he does do his best.. ... but that level of fitness is also what most would consider unfit for a professional sportsman... so depends where you want to draw the line for being fit really. ..the op ..im aware its not off the table straight onto the field but he could at least look in shape which he does not....

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

its not a surprise.. which is the point most are making... the surgery was months ago and at the very least he should look fit even if not quite match fit...lets be honest here when he is as fit as he gets its still someway off the fitness most players are at..and a bit much expecting those who have come to accept that that he deserves even more slack.... his quality carried us to the play offs not him working his bollox off.. it was the 9 others working their bollox off which allowed him to show that quality...
as for whats gone online... could go eitherway... numerous managers have tried different approaches over 10 odd years... maybe mere fans having a pop might spur him on....who knows ?

Yes the op was months ago. But he didn't jump off the operating table, into his kit and back onto the training ground. It was a long time before he was even back on the grass. An unfit Tomlin still provides more creativity than the majority of players in this league. Hes not in the team to do what vaulks or ralls do, but when he played last season he always put a shift in. Regarding the online abuse, I was talking about him reacting to it. I'd probably vent as well if I was receiving loads of personal abuse online.

hmmm.... last year his version of fit was probably as good as it gets , and i agree that once he crosses the white line he does do his best.. ... but that level of fitness is also what most would consider unfit for a professional sportsman... so depends where you want to draw the line for being fit really. ..the op ..im aware its not off the table straight onto the field but he could at least look in shape which he does not....

Even at that level of fitness he was still our player of the season, top scorer and had the most assists. Nobody was complaining about his wages then or that his fitness was deemed unprofessional. If you easily put on weight/struggle to shift it, you will put on weight on if you cant do physical exercise. Unfortunately for Tomlin he falls into that category.

Its like llan bluebird said above, seems people have gone from praying for his return to save us, to personally abusing him online because we are currently doing well.

we should just sell him
he has done all he could for our club
said this for weeks now if he does not play for us his services are no longer required.
We are in march now and Mick McCarthy said that on February 23rd Tomlin would play games for under 23's and a week or 2 later he would be in the 1st team, but no sign on his arrival. I know a bit harsh because he actually could be ill but he has been away for a longtime now and we are a better team without him.

sell him to who Sam...

Anyone who wants him.
Sooner we get players like him and vassel moved on we can look forewords.

Sam, he is not a car......

He has to sign the contract. I am more than sure that Lee is not going to sign away his £1.2 million a year contract for £200K .

How these things work is if we are so desperate to get shot we call in his agent and negotiate a settlement. Where his agent says, yeah, he'll sign for £1.2 million.......This is the Bale situation.

So we are left with him. All we can do is hope he gets as fit as he can be and we get a good season from him next year.

If i could be bothered i would look back through all the posts from his current detractors and how great it was when he extended.......

Yes, you have a point, albeit a small one, as many on here gave the boy a chance even against the bitter warnings of our rivals from the club from where he came. Sadly, despite being a clear match winner on his day, the boy has largely been anonymous to us and on the money he is, it now has to be considered a big disappointment

And in response to said 'extension' that was when we thought (momentarily it seems) we had the real Lee Tomlin back

Neil Warnock, as mentioned elsewhere, didn't send him out on loan for fun; it transpires he was't happy with the product (so to speak) and that has rolled on with seemingly rare exception

I would love him to come back in and show us what he is made of again but it's taking its time and looking at some of his recent comments he appears either troubled right now or maybe even simply doesn't care

Over to Lee...

Have a 'pop' of course, but consider your audience and your facts; not everyone on here was anti-Tomlin or anti-Harris...until the evidence resented it so clearly it was becoming detrimental to the club itself

Id imagine he's pretty frustrated with his current situation and then he has to deal with all the personal abuse online.

Not denying he's previously had attitude/fitness issues but he worked his bollocks off last season and ended up under the knife because of it. Can't remember too many complaining about his wages last season when he dragged us into the playoffs. And there definitely would have been huge critism aimed at the club if they didn't give him a new contract.

Hes had surgery on his groin, so was probably unable to do much physical exercise during his recovery. And for a player who has always struggled with his fitness, is it a surprise to see an unfit player return?

its not a surprise.. which is the point most are making... the surgery was months ago and at the very least he should look fit even if not quite match fit...lets be honest here when he is as fit as he gets its still someway off the fitness most players are at..and a bit much expecting those who have come to accept that that he deserves even more slack.... his quality carried us to the play offs not him working his bollox off.. it was the 9 others working their bollox off which allowed him to show that quality...
as for whats gone online... could go eitherway... numerous managers have tried different approaches over 10 odd years... maybe mere fans having a pop might spur him on....who knows ?

Yes the op was months ago. But he didn't jump off the operating table, into his kit and back onto the training ground. It was a long time before he was even back on the grass. An unfit Tomlin still provides more creativity than the majority of players in this league. Hes not in the team to do what vaulks or ralls do, but when he played last season he always put a shift in. Regarding the online abuse, I was talking about him reacting to it. I'd probably vent as well if I was receiving loads of personal abuse online.

hmmm.... last year his version of fit was probably as good as it gets , and i agree that once he crosses the white line he does do his best.. ... but that level of fitness is also what most would consider unfit for a professional sportsman... so depends where you want to draw the line for being fit really. ..the op ..im aware its not off the table straight onto the field but he could at least look in shape which he does not....

Even at that level of fitness he was still our player of the season, top scorer and had the most assists. Nobody was complaining about his wages then or that his fitness was deemed unprofessional. If you easily put on weight/struggle to shift it, you will put on weight on if you cant do physical exercise. Unfortunately for Tomlin he falls into that category.

Its like llan bluebird said above, seems people have gone from praying for his return to save us, to personally abusing him online because we are currently doing well.

like he said...he didnt think giving him a new contract was a great idea.... but is puzzled why others are like minded... and no ,nobody is going to complain if a player is doing well ,in this case a real purple patch but that does not mean their memory gets wiped either... like to know who these people are swinging from one extreme to other...could it be 2 different groups of people with completely differing ideas ?

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

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Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

He’s got to buy his burgers!

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

He’s got to buy his burgers!

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

So what should we do about Bennett then?

He’s on 20k a week. 80k a month. He’s out for 6-9 months. 480k to 720k while he is injured

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Tomlin's fitness and any previous injuries history will be well known by the club, any chances of reinjury or certain knocks and niggles that can persist for years would also be well known.

The contract Tomlin is on was decided and agreed to be within the club's budget, regardless of whether he plays all 46 games and all 90 minutes or only makes 5 appearances this season.

There was no way of knowing he'd be injured to such an extent he'd require surgery but it was always a possibility and despite that risk the club deemed his ~20k a week to be a sensible offer. If we can't afford his contract now when he's injured we still wouldn't be able to afford his contract if he was fit and playing.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Tomlin's fitness and any previous injuries history will be well known by the club, any chances of reinjury or certain knocks and niggles that can persist for years would also be well known.

The contract Tomlin is on was decided and agreed to be within the club's budget, regardless of whether he plays all 46 games and all 90 minutes or only makes 5 appearances this season.

There was no way of knowing he'd be injured to such an extent he'd require surgery but it was always a possibility and despite that risk the club deemed his ~20k a week to be a sensible offer. If we can't afford his contract now when he's injured we still wouldn't be able to afford his contract if he was fit and playing.

Don’t you dare doubt this clown’s football knowledge. He has followed the city since 1976 and knows more than you have forgotten so must be right.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For the contract we agreed with him last season when by was almost single handedly taking us to the playoffs exacerbating his injury while he did that.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Tomlin's fitness and any previous injuries history will be well known by the club, any chances of reinjury or certain knocks and niggles that can persist for years would also be well known.

The contract Tomlin is on was decided and agreed to be within the club's budget, regardless of whether he plays all 46 games and all 90 minutes or only makes 5 appearances this season.

There was no way of knowing he'd be injured to such an extent he'd require surgery but it was always a possibility and despite that risk the club deemed his ~20k a week to be a sensible offer. If we can't afford his contract now when he's injured we still wouldn't be able to afford his contract if he was fit and playing.

Don’t you dare doubt this clown’s football knowledge. He has followed the city since 1976 and knows more than you have forgotten so must be right.

You sound like a dick about to die!!

A clown works in a circus not supports a football team like you idiot.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Tomlin's fitness and any previous injuries history will be well known by the club, any chances of reinjury or certain knocks and niggles that can persist for years would also be well known.

The contract Tomlin is on was decided and agreed to be within the club's budget, regardless of whether he plays all 46 games and all 90 minutes or only makes 5 appearances this season.

There was no way of knowing he'd be injured to such an extent he'd require surgery but it was always a possibility and despite that risk the club deemed his ~20k a week to be a sensible offer. If we can't afford his contract now when he's injured we still wouldn't be able to afford his contract if he was fit and playing.

Don’t you dare doubt this clown’s football knowledge. He has followed the city since 1976 and knows more than you have forgotten so must be right.

You sound like a dick about to die!!

A clown works in a circus not supports a football team like you idiot.

Good one. Proud of that I bet.

Hmm, saying he’s our most creative player and therefore the assumption is we suffer creatively without him - After the 4-0 win over Derby, we were the second highest goal scoring side in the Championship.

Hardly lacking creativity at the moment.

CTID

We are paying Tomlin £100,000 a month for what???????

For a contract he and the club agreed upon.

Liverpool have probably paid Van Dijk about £5million since the last time he kicked a ball, likewise Bale probably earned over £10million during all the times he was injured at Madrid.

We are not a PL club with massive amounts of money floating about and are currently carrying players on long term injuries. Maybe they think we are a nursing home for injured players.

Tomlin's fitness and any previous injuries history will be well known by the club, any chances of reinjury or certain knocks and niggles that can persist for years would also be well known.

The contract Tomlin is on was decided and agreed to be within the club's budget, regardless of whether he plays all 46 games and all 90 minutes or only makes 5 appearances this season.

There was no way of knowing he'd be injured to such an extent he'd require surgery but it was always a possibility and despite that risk the club deemed his ~20k a week to be a sensible offer. If we can't afford his contract now when he's injured we still wouldn't be able to afford his contract if he was fit and playing.

Don’t you dare doubt this clown’s football knowledge. He has followed the city since 1976 and knows more than you have forgotten so must be right.

You sound like a dick about to die!!

A clown works in a circus not supports a football team like you idiot.

Good one. Proud of that I bet.

Proud of what! Truth always hurts