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Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:39 pm

I love the speed at all this happens.

7 Days Ago...
COVID minister announces UK has no plans for Vaccine Passports
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... orts-video

Now...
Secretary of State warns you won't be able to go to a pub without a vaccine passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... de-UK.html

Meanwhile in other news...

Cases, deaths and hospitalisation continuing to plummet but let's just pretend that's not happening so we can keep the lockdowns going and make everyone have an unnecessary vaccination whether they want to or not. :thumbright:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:41 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:
Sense left when social media & the internet reached critical mass and it's not coming back any time soon, no matter which side of an argument you sit there is a shitload of information & crap available to support your view.


Shoulda left it at cat videos. We'd all have been better off. :ayatollah:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:57 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:I love the speed at all this happens.

7 Days Ago...
COVID minister announces UK has no plans for Vaccine Passports
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... orts-video

Now...
Secretary of State warns you won't be able to go to a pub without a vaccine passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... de-UK.html

Meanwhile in other news...

Cases, deaths and hospitalisation continuing to plummet but let's just pretend that's not happening so we can keep the lockdowns going and make everyone have an unnecessary vaccination whether they want to or not. :thumbright:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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I always thought they we sneak through a vaccination passport, the public as a whole are behind it and it will mop up a few reluctant objectors?

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:32 am

Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:I love the speed at all this happens.

7 Days Ago...
COVID minister announces UK has no plans for Vaccine Passports
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... orts-video

Now...
Secretary of State warns you won't be able to go to a pub without a vaccine passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... de-UK.html

Meanwhile in other news...

Cases, deaths and hospitalisation continuing to plummet but let's just pretend that's not happening so we can keep the lockdowns going and make everyone have an unnecessary vaccination whether they want to or not. :thumbright:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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I always thought they we sneak through a vaccination passport, the public as a whole are behind it and it will mop up a few reluctant objectors?



no doubt some will push to take away as many civil liberties as possible.. and yes possibly there are enough out there that just dont see it... takes it one step closer to compulsory and then what next will be compulsory..

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:41 am

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:I love the speed at all this happens.

7 Days Ago...
COVID minister announces UK has no plans for Vaccine Passports
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... orts-video

Now...
Secretary of State warns you won't be able to go to a pub without a vaccine passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... de-UK.html

Meanwhile in other news...

Cases, deaths and hospitalisation continuing to plummet but let's just pretend that's not happening so we can keep the lockdowns going and make everyone have an unnecessary vaccination whether they want to or not. :thumbright:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 16.35.55.png


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I always thought they we sneak through a vaccination passport, the public as a whole are behind it and it will mop up a few reluctant objectors?



no doubt some will push to take away as many civil liberties as possible.. and yes possibly there are enough out there that just dont see it... takes it one step closer to compulsory and then what next will be compulsory..

Not aimed at you but the people just need honesty from their Government and then be honest themselves

This pandemic reduced last year and it will reduce this year in the warmer months; but we shouldn't think it cannot/will not come back again

Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:13 am

Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:I love the speed at all this happens.

7 Days Ago...
COVID minister announces UK has no plans for Vaccine Passports
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... orts-video

Now...
Secretary of State warns you won't be able to go to a pub without a vaccine passport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... de-UK.html

Meanwhile in other news...

Cases, deaths and hospitalisation continuing to plummet but let's just pretend that's not happening so we can keep the lockdowns going and make everyone have an unnecessary vaccination whether they want to or not. :thumbright:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 16.35.55.png


Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 16.35.49.png


Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 16.35.59.png



I always thought they we sneak through a vaccination passport, the public as a whole are behind it and it will mop up a few reluctant objectors?



no doubt some will push to take away as many civil liberties as possible.. and yes possibly there are enough out there that just dont see it... takes it one step closer to compulsory and then what next will be compulsory..

Not aimed at you but the people just need honesty from their Government and then be honest themselves

This pandemic reduced last year and it will reduce this year in the warmer months; but we shouldn't think it cannot/will not come back again

Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?



#honestly cant get my head around what youve said.... anti establishment ? no mate i think anyone that thinks it should be compulsory is being anti social...its your body and your choice .. there is a possibility i could end up being black mailed into having one { to be able to work } ... at the moment its maybe a decision for if things change...but i can tell you now A } i will resent it and B} i will not then change my stance on forcing others to have it...

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:57 am

Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:13 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.



maybe many of those who are queueing up to take it are not comfortable doing so... they can repeat parrot fashion what the official line is as much as they like but i doubt that many , if any are not aware that the haste in roll out meant shortening the trials and that its been given the go ahead temporarily under emergency regulations..
so its purely a case of i dont see why i should take it and Dai doesnt....
as fir the mortality rate...i read comments all the time that suggest a heck of a lot of people are of the opinion more are dying than actually are...

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:21 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:32 pm

Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:00 pm

It doesn’t bother me having the vaccine. I’ve had to have other jabs to visit other countries or not get in.

If people don’t want the vaccine it’s their choice. My only concern would be if they were NHS staff or carers dealing with the public! If they did they should be moved into a role which does not involve contact with the public. Anyone else involved in dealing with the public should also be removed from that position and put into a position more suitable.

Those who decide not to have the vaccine in turn should not have access to the NHS if they catch COVID. It was their choice and it’s the NHS to choose not to deal with them if they catch it.

Simples I know but if people don’t want it they should expect their employment or lives to change.

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:37 pm

Pulisnewport wrote:It doesn’t bother me having the vaccine. I’ve had to have other jabs to visit other countries or not get in.

If people don’t want the vaccine it’s their choice. My only concern would be if they were NHS staff or carers dealing with the public! If they did they should be moved into a role which does not involve contact with the public. Anyone else involved in dealing with the public should also be removed from that position and put into a position more suitable.

Those who decide not to have the vaccine in turn should not have access to the NHS if they catch COVID. It was their choice and it’s the NHS to choose not to deal with them if they catch it.

Simples I know but if people don’t want it they should expect their employment or lives to change.



Could be interesting tonight 10:45pm Wales - 19-35 England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:16 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:



I wish you would stop using terminology such as "the unvaccinated "!! What of the tens of thousands who for varying reasons cannot take the jab? Through no real fault of their own? Just lump us all together eh? Pass me my bell now please!!!!!! Cheeky f@ck,telling people to support the friggin jacks,and where to drink.your empathy knows no bounds!

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:40 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:


Its an upgrade from being sent to Flatholm I suppose...

Although the Liberty is bit harsh and I'd need to give that very, very close consideration. Sacrifice my principals and take an untested vaccine or the Liberty... you may finally be getting through to me with that one :lol:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:45 pm

bluesince62 wrote:I wish you would stop using terminology such as "the unvaccinated "!! What of the tens of thousands who for varying reasons cannot take the jab? Through no real fault of their own? Just lump us all together eh? Pass me my bell now please!!!!!! Cheeky f@ck,telling people to support the friggin jacks,and where to drink.your empathy knows no bounds!


"Bloody do-gooders... "



Doesn't really make that much sense in the context of your comment other than my brain went from unvaccinated straight to lepper straight to Python and its a great sketch. :lol:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:48 pm

Pulisnewport wrote:Those who decide not to have the vaccine in turn should not have access to the NHS if they catch COVID. It was their choice and it’s the NHS to choose not to deal with them if they catch it.


Fair enough as long as A&E stops accepting pissed people and obese people have to prove their dieting if they want treatment, we can call it a deal? ;)

Btw that would screw me on all three counts I think! :lol:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:18 pm

bluesince62 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:



I wish you would stop using terminology such as "the unvaccinated "!! What of the tens of thousands who for varying reasons cannot take the jab? Through no real fault of their own? Just lump us all together eh? Pass me my bell now please!!!!!! Cheeky f@ck,telling people to support the friggin jacks,and where to drink.your empathy knows no bounds!


Ealing understands :laughing6: means joke or taking the mick, this thread is not totally serious.

I do have sympathy for you if you can't have it, but you would still form a greater risk, and if vaccination passport is a requirement that's life I suppose?

Joking aside, it may well be that some business's require them and others don't, so there should be some places to go for the uanbletobevaccinated?

Apologies for the liberty comments that was way too low, maybe Newport? :laughing6:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:20 pm

Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:24 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:


Its an upgrade from being sent to Flatholm I suppose...

Although the Liberty is bit harsh and I'd need to give that very, very close consideration. Sacrifice my principals and take an untested vaccine or the Liberty... you may finally be getting through to me with that one :lol:


True too harsh, I take it back.

When are you having your vaccine, you were warming to it a few months ago and it's clear it's been a massive success with no real problems ?

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:36 pm

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:45 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:49 pm

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:06 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:



it means..i know this really is a giant leap....try thinking for yourself , watch panorama and ask yourself is this really reflective of what people who do not want to be vaccinated are saying...and if not ..why make the programme...

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:47 pm

Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.


Maybe the unvaccinated could all go to overpriced rubbish Brains pubs like the Black Lion or the Plough and watch football at the liberty, then they could give each other the virus and would get immunity that way, eventually everyone would be protected :laughing6: :thumbup:


Its an upgrade from being sent to Flatholm I suppose...

Although the Liberty is bit harsh and I'd need to give that very, very close consideration. Sacrifice my principals and take an untested vaccine or the Liberty... you may finally be getting through to me with that one :lol:


True too harsh, I take it back.

When are you having your vaccine, you were warming to it a few months ago and it's clear it's been a massive success with no real problems ?


I've always said I'll linger at the back of the queue, never once changed that position.

Still, plenty of folks in front of me to prioritise first - roughly 40 million or so, so probably not getting violated any time too soon.

By that point we'll have a lot better idea of how many extra heads you'll all grow, how many limbs fall off on average, how many of you are sterile and how many of you get cool RNA related mutant powers and can fly.

I will then make a measured decision based on that robust and solid data :thumbup:

:ayatollah:

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:48 pm

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


#IStandWithChewie

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:55 pm

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:



it means..i know this really is a giant leap....try thinking for yourself , watch panorama and ask yourself is this really reflective of what people who do not want to be vaccinated are saying...and if not ..why make the programme...


Are you on it ?

#IStandWithChewie

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:11 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:



it means..i know this really is a giant leap....try thinking for yourself , watch panorama and ask yourself is this really reflective of what people who do not want to be vaccinated are saying...and if not ..why make the programme...


Are you on it ?

#IStandWithChewie


No, I just smell of diesel and growl a lot also.

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:36 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:



it means..i know this really is a giant leap....try thinking for yourself , watch panorama and ask yourself is this really reflective of what people who do not want to be vaccinated are saying...and if not ..why make the programme...


Are you on it ?

#IStandWithChewie



no thanks mate...whatever IT is , and tbh i think you need a bit of time off IT too....

Re: Protection for non vaccinated

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:14 am

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
Sven wrote:Vaccinations are the best way forward (for most) and why not make them compulsory, where they are safe to be administered?

Do we want to protect people here and open up again; or are some just wanting to be anti-establishment?


The questions I keep coming back to over and over and over again though are:

If a vaccine has a success rate of 90% protection against the virus that has a mortality rate that remains comfortably below half a per cent for the majority of the population, why does it need to be mandatory?

What realistic threat does someone who is not vaccinated pose to someone who is inoculated with a protection of 90% against a disease with a 99+% survival rate?

Why are we insisting on locking away healthy people to protect the vulnerable minority when we could use the same resources to protect the vulnerable far more effectively, at a lower cost and without sacrificing the economy and doing irreparable damage to our society?

None of it makes sense and I honestly feel like the world is slowly going mad, either that or I am.


Doesn't need to be mandatory if enough volunteers step forward.

Small threat of illness as it's not 100%, and someone vaccinated could still give it to their granny.

The NHS can't cope, this option wouldn't work because most of the venerable come into contact with non vulnerable, either in care homes or living or being supported by younger adults.

Vaccine passports make some sense as if people have taken the vaccine they would be reassured that everyone else in the CC Stadium or pub has also take measures to try and avoid catching the virus. That would would reduce the risk massively, i'll protect you and you protect me a bit like the masks but with far greater protection.



so your not really confident about the vaccine protecting you ? what happened to all that 90%..92% 96% stuff ...
and how come there are not a hell of a lot of people wondering what happened to those claims..... which are not the 1st load of rubbish...or even the thousand and first...... boris told you that you were a trex that drank diesel youd be filling up at tescos and growling at people...


:laughing6: That's you if mad Frankie from the tinternet told you it's dangerous not too :laughing6:

I listen to Doctors and epidemiologists with degree's not star wars idiots in dungarees :laughing6:

Not worried at all, the numbers are low I'll be out doing whatever is allowed as soon as I can, but still vaccination passports could well have their uses and the concept is well supported in polls and focus groups :thumbup:



no mate i dont know if its dangerous.. and have at no point said it is dangerous... or has anyone told me it is.... its you that was making what now look very very silly claims designed for and repeated by the gullible.... you keep telling yourself the vaccine causes zero harm and is 99% effective... and leave those of us that dont go around smelling of diesel and growling to choose....


:laughing6: whatever that means ? :laughing6:



it means..i know this really is a giant leap....try thinking for yourself , watch panorama and ask yourself is this really reflective of what people who do not want to be vaccinated are saying...and if not ..why make the programme...


Are you on it ?

#IStandWithChewie



no thanks mate...whatever IT is , and tbh i think you need a bit of time off IT too....


Panorama, there was someone exactly like you on there :thumbup: