WELSH RUGBY GETS £13.5MILL / CARDIFF GET NOTHING

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after [color=#FF0000]the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.
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What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

Can I put you right? The issue is the WAG are giving the money outright, it does not have to be returned, whereas the money from the PL etc is a LOAN, which has to be paid back, just for one minute do you honestly think that Vincent Tan is going to accept a loan, I really don't think he will

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

your making this up as you go now..... 8 mill debt is 8 mill debt.... and borrowing to keep the club afloat is not going to get you punished for FFP any more than borrowing from the EPL....Derby is completely different ,they are in the middle of a take over... and what issues with Sam....he was apparently owed the money exactly the same as Tan is now.... if at some point down the line Tan has sold the club...is still owed money..and the club refuse to pay ..would you expect VT to accept that or try to get his money back ? christ mate we have fans in meltdown over 30 quid refunds...

I’m not making it up, I’m guessing. There is actually a difference. Of course I have to guess because I don’t know the intricacies of running multi million pound businesses or football clubs. As for the Sam thing, that was a bit before my time of caring about owners or the background stuff. But clearly some issues arose at some point or at least some fans think so, there have been dozens of threads of people arguing about Sams time at the club. Maybe I’m incorrect though, as I said I don’t really go in to deep when these threads come up.
Regarding FFP, if we are going to be borrowing loans I can’t imagine the same organisation that determines how FFP is calculated and how it can be breached will give us a loan that could potentially cause us to breach the rules. If we ask Tan for £15m and the EFL for £15m I would imagine the EFL being more likely to say “actually you can only have £11m as that’s as much your financial status can allow”
On the flip side, Tan has no obligation to pay us the loan if we request it. If what some of the things I’ve read on here are true Covid has hit Tan massively, a lot of his businesses are in tourism and hospitality. Hotels/restaurants/cafes/etc. There’s no guarantee he wants to give us a multi million pound loan. The EFL have at least allocated a £200m budget for Championship teams.

Back to the original post though. These ice hockey teams and WPL clubs and cricket clubs don’t have the luxury of having billionaire owners or a globally reaching organisation willing to lend hundreds of millions of pounds. Were the Welsh Government to include Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and any other Welsh clubs in the English system the budget would have to be massively increased or the amount of support that the hundreds of other clubs and teams are receiving from this budget would have to be reduced.

Since Cardiff have the ability to request a loan from a billionaire and have been allocated a part of a £200m budget to borrow from, I think the Welsh Government have every right to not include our club in a tiny (in the footballing world) £17.5m budget. The same way England have excluded EFL and PL teams from their £300m budget for helping sport clubs.

Your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. Some people like to think they're hard done by....just so they can have another moan.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.
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What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

Can I put you right? The issue is the WAG are giving the money outright, it does not have to be returned, whereas the money from the PL etc is a LOAN, which has to be paid back, just for one minute do you honestly think that Vincent Tan is going to accept a loan, I really don't think he will

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

your making this up as you go now..... 8 mill debt is 8 mill debt.... and borrowing to keep the club afloat is not going to get you punished for FFP any more than borrowing from the EPL....Derby is completely different ,they are in the middle of a take over... and what issues with Sam....he was apparently owed the money exactly the same as Tan is now.... if at some point down the line Tan has sold the club...is still owed money..and the club refuse to pay ..would you expect VT to accept that or try to get his money back ? christ mate we have fans in meltdown over 30 quid refunds...

I’m not making it up, I’m guessing. There is actually a difference. Of course I have to guess because I don’t know the intricacies of running multi million pound businesses or football clubs. As for the Sam thing, that was a bit before my time of caring about owners or the background stuff. But clearly some issues arose at some point or at least some fans think so, there have been dozens of threads of people arguing about Sams time at the club. Maybe I’m incorrect though, as I said I don’t really go in to deep when these threads come up.
Regarding FFP, if we are going to be borrowing loans I can’t imagine the same organisation that determines how FFP is calculated and how it can be breached will give us a loan that could potentially cause us to breach the rules. If we ask Tan for £15m and the EFL for £15m I would imagine the EFL being more likely to say “actually you can only have £11m as that’s as much your financial status can allow”
On the flip side, Tan has no obligation to pay us the loan if we request it. If what some of the things I’ve read on here are true Covid has hit Tan massively, a lot of his businesses are in tourism and hospitality. Hotels/restaurants/cafes/etc. There’s no guarantee he wants to give us a multi million pound loan. The EFL have at least allocated a £200m budget for Championship teams.

Back to the original post though. These ice hockey teams and WPL clubs and cricket clubs don’t have the luxury of having billionaire owners or a globally reaching organisation willing to lend hundreds of millions of pounds. Were the Welsh Government to include Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and any other Welsh clubs in the English system the budget would have to be massively increased or the amount of support that the hundreds of other clubs and teams are receiving from this budget would have to be reduced.

Since Cardiff have the ability to request a loan from a billionaire and have been allocated a part of a £200m budget to borrow from, I think the Welsh Government have every right to not include our club in a tiny (in the footballing world) £17.5m budget. The same way England have excluded EFL and PL teams from their £300m budget for helping sport clubs.

guessing is different to making it up.....? you started with this millions in aid which is not true .. turns out to be a loan.... then try getting around it with wrong guesses...
13.5 million for the WRU who make enormous amounts out of international fixtures is ridiculous if your not helping your top football clubs at all..... yes grass roots sport needs to be supported or helped... but if your going to extend that to top level how about the WRU being told to make loans available to its regions/ clubs or treat our football clubs likewise...

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

your making this up as you go now..... 8 mill debt is 8 mill debt.... and borrowing to keep the club afloat is not going to get you punished for FFP any more than borrowing from the EPL....Derby is completely different ,they are in the middle of a take over... and what issues with Sam....he was apparently owed the money exactly the same as Tan is now.... if at some point down the line Tan has sold the club...is still owed money..and the club refuse to pay ..would you expect VT to accept that or try to get his money back ? christ mate we have fans in meltdown over 30 quid refunds...

I’m not making it up, I’m guessing. There is actually a difference. Of course I have to guess because I don’t know the intricacies of running multi million pound businesses or football clubs. As for the Sam thing, that was a bit before my time of caring about owners or the background stuff. But clearly some issues arose at some point or at least some fans think so, there have been dozens of threads of people arguing about Sams time at the club. Maybe I’m incorrect though, as I said I don’t really go in to deep when these threads come up.
Regarding FFP, if we are going to be borrowing loans I can’t imagine the same organisation that determines how FFP is calculated and how it can be breached will give us a loan that could potentially cause us to breach the rules. If we ask Tan for £15m and the EFL for £15m I would imagine the EFL being more likely to say “actually you can only have £11m as that’s as much your financial status can allow”
On the flip side, Tan has no obligation to pay us the loan if we request it. If what some of the things I’ve read on here are true Covid has hit Tan massively, a lot of his businesses are in tourism and hospitality. Hotels/restaurants/cafes/etc. There’s no guarantee he wants to give us a multi million pound loan. The EFL have at least allocated a £200m budget for Championship teams.

Back to the original post though. These ice hockey teams and WPL clubs and cricket clubs don’t have the luxury of having billionaire owners or a globally reaching organisation willing to lend hundreds of millions of pounds. Were the Welsh Government to include Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and any other Welsh clubs in the English system the budget would have to be massively increased or the amount of support that the hundreds of other clubs and teams are receiving from this budget would have to be reduced.

Since Cardiff have the ability to request a loan from a billionaire and have been allocated a part of a £200m budget to borrow from, I think the Welsh Government have every right to not include our club in a tiny (in the footballing world) £17.5m budget. The same way England have excluded EFL and PL teams from their £300m budget for helping sport clubs.

guessing is different to making it up.....? you started with this millions in aid which is not true .. turns out to be a loan.... then try getting around it with wrong guesses...
13.5 million for the WRU who make enormous amounts out of international fixtures is ridiculous if your not helping your top football clubs at all..... yes grass roots sport needs to be supported or helped... but if your going to extend that to top level how about the WRU being told to make loans available to its regions/ clubs or treat our football clubs likewise...

The fact of the matter is the Welsh Government simply cannot afford to support the teams in the English System. English Football is just too expensive. Regardless of whether the clubs are Welsh or not we've outgrown Welsh Football financially. The WPL transfer record is a couple hundred thousand pounds.
This also isn't a Welsh thing, Westminster clearly thinks supporting football is unfeasible for them too as PL and EFL clubs are excluded from their sports financial aid.

The Welsh Government have decided that £17.5m is all they can afford for every branch of sport in Wales which covers thousands of clubs and teams.

To put it into perspective 11 players on £30k a week adds up to £17.2m over the course of a year. How many players between us and Swansea do you reckon are on £30k or higher? Ayew alone is allegedly on around something like £3m a year. Any financial support the Government could offer the English pyramid clubs that would actually be meaningful would have to be in the millions.

As for the WRU receiving the money, The WRU is no where near as rich as I think you believe it is, the WRU isn't just the national team it's all the Rugby Union teams in Wales: men, women, U18, U23, professional, semi-pro, etc which amounts to over 300 clubs. Rugby also has tiny budgets compared to football. We have players that make more in a week than some senior Cardiff Blues players make in a year, likewise with Swansea and the Ospreys.
For some numbers:
Rugby Union's record transfer fee is just £1.2m. That's not the Welsh record, that's for the entirety of Europe.
In Rugby League it's not even broke the million mark. It's only £700,000.
We spend that several times over in each transfer window.

Football at our level can manage without crowds through prize money, sponsorships, TV revenue, etc. Financially we will have suffered, as have all spectator sports, but there are many many more clubs and teams in all branches of sport that need government funding more than us.

The clubs may be in the English system but they bring money into the Welsh economy.

Spot on

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.
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What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

Can I put you right? The issue is the WAG are giving the money outright, it does not have to be returned, whereas the money from the PL etc is a LOAN, which has to be paid back, just for one minute do you honestly think that Vincent Tan is going to accept a loan, I really don't think he will

A fair point and yes one I overlooked. But we have the option if we are in dire straits to request a loan. £200m has been allocated for Championship clubs for this purpose. We also have a billionaire owner who can financially support us.

None of the WRU, FAW, Hockey, Cricket, Netball, etc clubs have access to such large financial help. This funding has the potential to save 1000's of jobs.
Cardiff being given £1m would cover our 25 man's squad wages for 3 weeks or so. Barely a drop in our finances this year yet that £1m could probably pay the annual wages of the entire squads of 5 or 6 teams in the Welsh Premier League.

The WAG would be, in my opinion, wasting money if they were to help out us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham. Any amount they could spare would be nothing more than a token gesture and would be taking money away from the sport clubs where £10,000 could be the difference between survival this year or clubs folding, jobs lost and communities losing a part of themselves.

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

yep....there is no Welsh division , they play Welsh clubs as we play Swansea..

Once again more stupidity from the WAG

Cardiff City who have more spectators than all 4 regions and 12 premier rugby teams combined get nothing, yet the rugby teams get best part of £13 million between them

Everything the WAG does just doesn’t make sense. Bunch of nobody’s promoted way above their ability

Just abolish the whole bloody thing not fit for purpose

That's unfair , Wales is the pilot of what Corbynism would like like .

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Annis, some questions.
Of the £17.5m budget that has been allocated to sports, how much would you want Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham to receive?
Which branches of sport would you take this money from?
Do you genuinely believe that Cardiff need a portion of this money?

For some context in the vast difference between the Pro14 and the Championship:

In the 18/19 season the league brought in its highest-ever revenue of £749m.

The 17/18 Pro14 season was the tournaments most successful season with a turnover of €20 million (£17.7m). The season before was half that number.

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Annis, some questions.
Of the £17.5m budget that has been allocated to sports, how much would you want Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham to receive?
Which branches of sport would you take this money from?
Do you genuinely believe that Cardiff need a portion of this money?

For some context in the vast difference between the Pro14 and the Championship:

In the 18/19 season the league brought in its highest-ever revenue of £749m.

The 17/18 Pro14 season was the tournaments most successful season with a turnover of €20 million (£17.7m). The season before was half that number.

Cardiff need money just as much as the rugby does and for exactly the same things.... infact as youve just demonstrated our loss is much much bigger... WRU 13,5 mill ...FAW 1,5..how on earth does that work ? because regional rugby players EARN more ?

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

The WRU are very much involved in running the pro 14 which is where the Welsh clubs play.

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Annis, some questions.
Of the £17.5m budget that has been allocated to sports, how much would you want Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham to receive?
Which branches of sport would you take this money from?
Do you genuinely believe that Cardiff need a portion of this money?

For some context in the vast difference between the Pro14 and the Championship:

In the 18/19 season the league brought in its highest-ever revenue of £749m.

The 17/18 Pro14 season was the tournaments most successful season with a turnover of €20 million (£17.7m). The season before was half that number.

Cardiff need money just as much as the rugby does and for exactly the same things.... infact as youve just demonstrated our loss is much much bigger... WRU 13,5 mill ...FAW 1,5..how on earth does that work ? because regional rugby players EARN more ?

Yes. The WRU have higher expenses than the FAW, hence they need more money. This isn't a rugby vs football thing. Netball in Wales has less expenses than Rugby League so receives less help. Rugby League has less expenses than the FAW so the FAW gets more of the share of the money. In this scenario the Welsh teams in the English pyramid do not fall under the FAW banner because they are at very little risk comparatively and have means of getting funds if needed. Being excluded from FAW dealings is hardly a new scenario either. Cardiff and Swansea go through the FA disciplinary panel instead of the FAW one for example.

As you've correctly pointed out the WRU is getting more funding because of higher wages. How do you think the wages of the football teams in the English league compare to the regional players and semi pros? What about the running costs of the CCS compared to Arms Park? Payments to the staff compared in both sports? Etc. Our 25 man squad alone is paid somewhere in the region of £350k-£400k before bonuses each week.

The Welsh teams in the English leagues are both too expensive to help and also have alternative means of acquiring funds, through the billionaire owners and EFL money available. Cardiff have requested a loan of over £8m from the EFL budget. For us, Swansea, Newport, Wrexham to get any meaningful impact from Welsh Government funding millions will be needed to make any difference which would either needed to be taken from clubs that need it more or taken from another budget.

The big football clubs aren't in anywhere near as much danger as the majority of sports in Wales. If Cardiff were given even £100k of that £17.5m that would be money from dozens of clubs and could put 100's of jobs at risk. 100k for Cardiff though would barely cover a third of our weekly wage for the first team alone.

I'll ask you the same as I asked Annis, how much of the budget would you say is fair to allocate to Cardiff? And where would you take this budget from?

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Annis, some questions.
Of the £17.5m budget that has been allocated to sports, how much would you want Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham to receive?
Which branches of sport would you take this money from?
Do you genuinely believe that Cardiff need a portion of this money?

For some context in the vast difference between the Pro14 and the Championship:

In the 18/19 season the league brought in its highest-ever revenue of £749m.

The 17/18 Pro14 season was the tournaments most successful season with a turnover of €20 million (£17.7m). The season before was half that number.

Cardiff need money just as much as the rugby does and for exactly the same things.... infact as youve just demonstrated our loss is much much bigger... WRU 13,5 mill ...FAW 1,5..how on earth does that work ? because regional rugby players EARN more ?

Yes. The WRU have higher expenses than the FAW, hence they need more money. This isn't a rugby vs football thing. Netball in Wales has less expenses than Rugby League so receives less help. Rugby League has less expenses than the FAW so the FAW gets more of the share of the money. In this scenario the Welsh teams in the English pyramid do not fall under the FAW banner because they are at very little risk comparatively and have means of getting funds if needed. Being excluded from FAW dealings is hardly a new scenario either. Cardiff and Swansea go through the FA disciplinary panel instead of the FAW one for example.

As you've correctly pointed out the WRU is getting more funding because of higher wages. How do you think the wages of the football teams in the English league compare to the regional players and semi pros? What about the running costs of the CCS compared to Arms Park? Payments to the staff compared in both sports? Etc. Our 25 man squad alone is paid somewhere in the region of £350k-£400k before bonuses each week.

The Welsh teams in the English leagues are both too expensive to help and also have alternative means of acquiring funds, through the billionaire owners and EFL money available. Cardiff have requested a loan of over £8m from the EFL budget. For us, Swansea, Newport, Wrexham to get any meaningful impact from Welsh Government funding millions will be needed to make any difference which would either needed to be taken from clubs that need it more or taken from another budget.

The big football clubs aren't in anywhere near as much danger as the majority of sports in Wales. If Cardiff were given even £100k of that £17.5m that would be money from dozens of clubs and could put 100's of jobs at risk. 100k for Cardiff though would barely cover a third of our weekly wage for the first team alone.

I'll ask you the same as I asked Annis, how much of the budget would you say is fair to allocate to Cardiff? And where would you take this budget from?

so you want to say the rugby get more than x, y and z because their expenses are more but that does not then count to welsh pro football clubs ? you started off with an assumption that we were having a grant off the EPL...had you not been wrong youd have been right....but wrong is wrong....and you cant use the same argument both ways..its either the more your losing the bigger the grant or not...

Dont give the football clubs SWEET ..... all. This greedy industry can look after each other.

Dont give the football clubs SWEET ..... all. This greedy industry can look after each other.

same with the rugby....

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the regional rugby teams play in cross country leagues as well??

Annis, some questions.
Of the £17.5m budget that has been allocated to sports, how much would you want Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham to receive?
Which branches of sport would you take this money from?
Do you genuinely believe that Cardiff need a portion of this money?

For some context in the vast difference between the Pro14 and the Championship:

In the 18/19 season the league brought in its highest-ever revenue of £749m.

The 17/18 Pro14 season was the tournaments most successful season with a turnover of €20 million (£17.7m). The season before was half that number.

Cardiff need money just as much as the rugby does and for exactly the same things.... infact as youve just demonstrated our loss is much much bigger... WRU 13,5 mill ...FAW 1,5..how on earth does that work ? because regional rugby players EARN more ?

Yes. The WRU have higher expenses than the FAW, hence they need more money. This isn't a rugby vs football thing. Netball in Wales has less expenses than Rugby League so receives less help. Rugby League has less expenses than the FAW so the FAW gets more of the share of the money. In this scenario the Welsh teams in the English pyramid do not fall under the FAW banner because they are at very little risk comparatively and have means of getting funds if needed. Being excluded from FAW dealings is hardly a new scenario either. Cardiff and Swansea go through the FA disciplinary panel instead of the FAW one for example.

As you've correctly pointed out the WRU is getting more funding because of higher wages. How do you think the wages of the football teams in the English league compare to the regional players and semi pros? What about the running costs of the CCS compared to Arms Park? Payments to the staff compared in both sports? Etc. Our 25 man squad alone is paid somewhere in the region of £350k-£400k before bonuses each week.

The Welsh teams in the English leagues are both too expensive to help and also have alternative means of acquiring funds, through the billionaire owners and EFL money available. Cardiff have requested a loan of over £8m from the EFL budget. For us, Swansea, Newport, Wrexham to get any meaningful impact from Welsh Government funding millions will be needed to make any difference which would either needed to be taken from clubs that need it more or taken from another budget.

The big football clubs aren't in anywhere near as much danger as the majority of sports in Wales. If Cardiff were given even £100k of that £17.5m that would be money from dozens of clubs and could put 100's of jobs at risk. 100k for Cardiff though would barely cover a third of our weekly wage for the first team alone.

I'll ask you the same as I asked Annis, how much of the budget would you say is fair to allocate to Cardiff? And where would you take this budget from?

so you want to say the rugby get more than x, y and z because their expenses are more but that does not then count to welsh pro football clubs ? you started off with an assumption that we were having a grant off the EPL...had you not been wrong youd have been right....but wrong is wrong....and you cant use the same argument both ways..its either the more your losing the bigger the grant or not...

The Welsh Government doesn't have an unlimited budget. If they did they would be bailing out every single business and sporting club. The pro Welsh teams have magnitudes more money than other sports in Wales, including the rugby. They also have pools of money they can borrow from if needed. Owners and the EFL for example. The vast majority of clubs' main income isn't match day tickets, it comes from sponsorships and TV deals. Both of which are still being paid. In football these payments are mega money and the English leagues, which we and the other Welsh pro teams are a part of, is one of the richest in the world. The Welsh Government can only allocate so much to saving the future of Welsh Sport. That allocation is £17.5m. Cardiff have requested an £8.3m loan from the money made available by the EFL. That would be nearly half the Welsh Government budget gone on one single club who still has a large percentage of their income coming in regularly. Hundreds of other clubs and thousands of people would suffer if that money went to Cardiff City.
Because the WAG, nor Westminster can fund their football teams they're leaving it up to the PL and EFL

Cardiff City will not disappear without a share of this money. The football teams and rugby teams that play down pontcanna fields might, local netball and cricket teams might. Clubs in the WPL could very well be facing liquidation, as could many of the rugby clubs.

Despite what you seem to think, Rugby is no where near as rich as football. The European transfer record for Rugby Union is £1.2m and was set a couple years ago. Notts County spent £1.5m on their record signing in League 2 over a decade ago.
That £1.2m transfer was for a French International. The 2nd highest transfer fee was £1m. The 3rd highest is £500k.

The £13m going to the WRU isn't being spit 4 ways between the 4 regional clubs. It's being split into dozens if not hundreds of separate payments for clubs who barely attract 100 fans on a good day. Clubs with players who's real job is serving coffee in Costa or teaching at the local school.

Like I asked. How much of the budget would you assign to the professional Welsh football clubs? Where would you cut the budget?

Dont give the football clubs SWEET ..... all. This greedy industry can look after each other.

That's exactly what's happening...