" AWFUL VIOLENCE FROM TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN THE US "

BLM protests more violent

Absolute Tosh. There were three parties in those protests...BLM, Right wing and the national guard so violence would of course swell up.

Today is a group of right wing Trump minions, encouraged by Trump to attack the heart of American democracy inorder to overturn an election that every court in the land (including the one that Trump tried to set up) has deemed fair. They g by Eve succeeded in delaying it which in itself is a worry.

This was a planned attack which if it has been committed by Muslims would have been called terrorism and if by BLM, Marxist.

yep...if it was BLM it would be called marxist... but ive already read white supremisists. far right...slavery flags..nazi flags...and your trump minions ...name calling seems to be universal

BLM protests more violent

Absolute Tosh. There were three parties in those protests...BLM, Right wing and the national guard so violence would of course swell up.

Today is a group of right wing Trump minions, encouraged by Trump to attack the heart of American democracy inorder to overturn an election that every court in the land (including the one that Trump tried to set up) has deemed fair. They g by Eve succeeded in delaying it which in itself is a worry.

This was a planned attack which if it has been committed by Muslims would have been called terrorism and if by BLM, Marxist.

yep...if it was BLM it would be called marxist... but ive already read white supremisists. far right...slavery flags..nazi flags...and your trump minions ...name calling seems to be universal

Puting all the name calling aside. Trump is unstable. Keep an eye on that red button.

The woman shot tonight is now dead .... R I P .

The woman shot tonight is now dead .... R I P .

Trump has blood on his hands

BLM protests more violent

Absolute Tosh. There were three parties in those protests...BLM, Right wing and the national guard so violence would of course swell up.

Today is a group of right wing Trump minions, encouraged by Trump to attack the heart of American democracy inorder to overturn an election that every court in the land (including the one that Trump tried to set up) has deemed fair. They g by Eve succeeded in delaying it which in itself is a worry.

This was a planned attack which if it has been committed by Muslims would have been called terrorism and if by BLM, Marxist.

yep...if it was BLM it would be called marxist... but ive already read white supremisists. far right...slavery flags..nazi flags...and your trump minions ...name calling seems to be universal

Puting all the name calling aside. Trump is unstable. Keep an eye on that red button.

mate the whole country is fckn unstable .. his replacement ? really is that the best the country could muster...
i just wish the fruitloops would stop bringing their politics over here...

Woman shot in Capitol riot has died

Police have confirmed that a woman who was shot earlier during the Capitol riots has died due to her injuries.

She has not yet been named by officials, but police earlier said she was a civilian.

The woman shot tonight is now dead .... R I P .

Trump has blood on his hands

He most certainly does; he encouraged these people to do what they did and then backed it up before they went in with his (now as boring as a 'Roathy' post) "We woz robbed; but we can't show you the evidence...!" speech

Later made a rather weak attempt to tell his cling-ons to "Go home in peace" but the damage was done after they invaded the House of Congress itself and a another US citizen was murdered on the streets of Washington DC

Donald J Trump now has blood on his hands and needs to be brought to task by the Law

Come out with your excuses as much as you want , these were right wing patriotic dick brains and they were white . And they attacked the centre of American government . If they were black there would be hundreds of them lying dead in the street .

Come out with your excuses as much as you want , these were right wing patriotic dick brains and they were white . And they attacked the centre of American government . If they were black there would be hundreds of them lying dead in the street .

of course there would...there have been riots there for months and not one where there were hundreds dead....

History in the making. The final death throes of the American dream.

Didn't comment before because was busy working but keeping an eye on the footage throughout the day via the Ruptly live stream (which is raw unedited, and with zero editorial commentary.) I have watched a an awful lot of the coverage and I didn't see a single swatstika etc and the massive crowds were pretty diverse so claims of this being solely a white supremacist movement seem on the surface the usual lazy and unfounded claims.

It was though, to answer the other point made, undoubtedly a Trump rally. He called them to DC. They marched under his banners.

One big difference between today and the BLM riots is that the anger and violence was directed at a Government and a police force that those protesting/rioting feel have let their nation down and not at innocent bystanders having dinner in the wrong place at the wrong time or local family-run businesses watching their lives work being burnt to the ground for no reason other than mis-placed anger that had been deliberately and methodically engineered.

Personally, I think this is a big difference, but I appreciate others will just see a riot as a riot and I can understand and accept that perspective even if I disagree with it.

End of the day though, the time for trying to explain the evils of BLM or ANTIFA are well passed. Those too blind to see them for what they are will defend them to the hilt. Others can't resist teh allure they bring of offering up a bogey man to blame all their failings on. Some, just seem to like to wallow in the injustice they claim to bring to light, hooked up to the morphine drip of lies that give them an easy out.

On the other side, those who could see that these groups were integral to plotting a course for where we ended up today have tried their best to show them for what they are and got called racist, crazy conspiracy-theorist, nazis and worse for their efforts and as the rhetoric, largely but not solely from the left, magnified, the polarisation of society increased at an exponential rate.

I've been talking about the increasing polarisation of society and where that is heading for a long time now. I've been quite open in saying that it scared the shit out of me because we were all walking a very dangerous path.

Despite what some continue to falsely assert, it has been at the heart of why I've spoken against BLM consistently. I've said it over, and over again. We are being divided and it is being done deliberately.

The patterns have become too recognisable, to easily predicted, to not be planned, to not be coordinated.

What has happened today is the endpoint of a much longer journey we've been on. The US was always going to be the location of that endpoint, it has been the epicentre of a culture war that has been raging for the last 5 years but has been brewing for 50.

The stark reality of that culture war, of this polarisation of society, has been finally laid bare and tonight it has fully come to a head.

The US left see this as an attempted coup. The US right it as the defence of their democracy against a stolen election.

There is no middle ground anymore.

Truth is that this long ago ceased to be about left and right as we knew it and is about two very distinct cultural philosophies.

One is what the US traditionally typified. The American Dream, a land of opportunity where any and every man could rise to the top. A culture built on a foundation of classic English liberalism and sprinkled with a dash of American gusto born from fires of a civil war fought to bring true liberty to a great nation by ending slavery.

The other we have seen before, in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China as well as elsewhere. Always with the promise of being in the benefit of the proletariat, yet always bringing power to a handful of elites while the populace starves. Where the greater good of the State supersedes the 'selfish' desire for liberty of the individual.

Tonight I fear, was the last stand of those that still believed in that American dream. I don't condone the violence. I condemn any and all violence always have done always will. But I fear that this was always going out to end this way.

Tomorrow will be the beginning of a very different world and it is a world I have been fearful of for a long time.

The woman shot tonight is now dead .... R I P .

don’t know why anyone would wish R I P to a terrorist

History in the making. The final death throes of the American dream.

Didn't comment before because was busy working but keeping an eye on the footage throughout the day via the Ruptly live stream (which is raw unedited, and with zero editorial commentary.) I have watched a an awful lot of the coverage and I didn't see a single swatstika etc and the massive crowds were pretty diverse so claims of this being solely a white supremacist movement seem on the surface the usual lazy and unfounded claims.

It was though, to answer the other point made, undoubtedly a Trump rally. He called them to DC. They marched under his banners.

One big difference between today and the BLM riots is that the anger and violence was directed at a Government and a police force that those protesting/rioting feel have let their nation down and not at innocent bystanders having dinner in the wrong place at the wrong time or local family-run businesses watching their lives work being burnt to the ground for no reason other than mis-placed anger that had been deliberately and methodically engineered.

Personally, I think this is a big difference, but I appreciate others will just see a riot as a riot and I can understand and accept that perspective even if I disagree with it.

End of the day though, the time for trying to explain the evils of BLM or ANTIFA are well passed. Those too blind to see them for what they are will defend them to the hilt. Others can't resist teh allure they bring of offering up a bogey man to blame all their failings on. Some, just seem to like to wallow in the injustice they claim to bring to light, hooked up to the morphine drip of lies that give them an easy out.

On the other side, those who could see that these groups were integral to plotting a course for where we ended up today have tried their best to show them for what they are and got called racist, crazy conspiracy-theorist, nazis and worse for their efforts and as the rhetoric, largely but not solely from the left, magnified, the polarisation of society increased at an exponential rate.

I've been talking about the increasing polarisation of society and where that is heading for a long time now. I've been quite open in saying that it scared the shit out of me because we were all walking a very dangerous path.

Despite what some continue to falsely assert, it has been at the heart of why I've spoken against BLM consistently. I've said it over, and over again. We are being divided and it is being done deliberately.

The patterns have become too recognisable, to easily predicted, to not be planned, to not be coordinated.

What has happened today is the endpoint of a much longer journey we've been on. The US was always going to be the location of that endpoint, it has been the epicentre of a culture war that has been raging for the last 5 years but has been brewing for 50.

The stark reality of that culture war, of this polarisation of society, has been finally laid bare and tonight it has fully come to a head.

The US left see this as an attempted coup. The US right it as the defence of their democracy against a stolen election.

There is no middle ground anymore.

Truth is that this long ago ceased to be about left and right as we knew it and is about two very distinct cultural philosophies.

One is what the US traditionally typified. The American Dream, a land of opportunity where any and every man could rise to the top. A culture built on a foundation of classic English liberalism and sprinkled with a dash of American gusto born from fires of a civil war fought to bring true liberty to a great nation by ending slavery.

The other we have seen before, in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China as well as elsewhere. Always with the promise of being in the benefit of the proletariat, yet always bringing power to a handful of elites while the populace starves. Where the greater good of the State supersedes the 'selfish' desire for liberty of the individual.

Tonight I fear, was the last stand of those that still believed in that American dream. I don't condone the violence. I condemn any and all violence always have done always will. But I fear that this was always going out to end this way.

Tomorrow will be the beginning of a very different world and it is a world I have been fearful of for a long time.

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History in the making. The final death throes of the American dream.

Didn't comment before because was busy working but keeping an eye on the footage throughout the day via the Ruptly live stream (which is raw unedited, and with zero editorial commentary.) I have watched a an awful lot of the coverage and I didn't see a single swatstika etc and the massive crowds were pretty diverse so claims of this being solely a white supremacist movement seem on the surface the usual lazy and unfounded claims.

It was though, to answer the other point made, undoubtedly a Trump rally. He called them to DC. They marched under his banners.

One big difference between today and the BLM riots is that the anger and violence was directed at a Government and a police force that those protesting/rioting feel have let their nation down and not at innocent bystanders having dinner in the wrong place at the wrong time or local family-run businesses watching their lives work being burnt to the ground for no reason other than mis-placed anger that had been deliberately and methodically engineered.

Personally, I think this is a big difference, but I appreciate others will just see a riot as a riot and I can understand and accept that perspective even if I disagree with it.

End of the day though, the time for trying to explain the evils of BLM or ANTIFA are well passed. Those too blind to see them for what they are will defend them to the hilt. Others can't resist teh allure they bring of offering up a bogey man to blame all their failings on. Some, just seem to like to wallow in the injustice they claim to bring to light, hooked up to the morphine drip of lies that give them an easy out.

On the other side, those who could see that these groups were integral to plotting a course for where we ended up today have tried their best to show them for what they are and got called racist, crazy conspiracy-theorist, nazis and worse for their efforts and as the rhetoric, largely but not solely from the left, magnified, the polarisation of society increased at an exponential rate.

I've been talking about the increasing polarisation of society and where that is heading for a long time now. I've been quite open in saying that it scared the shit out of me because we were all walking a very dangerous path.

Despite what some continue to falsely assert, it has been at the heart of why I've spoken against BLM consistently. I've said it over, and over again. We are being divided and it is being done deliberately.

The patterns have become too recognisable, to easily predicted, to not be planned, to not be coordinated.

What has happened today is the endpoint of a much longer journey we've been on. The US was always going to be the location of that endpoint, it has been the epicentre of a culture war that has been raging for the last 5 years but has been brewing for 50.

The stark reality of that culture war, of this polarisation of society, has been finally laid bare and tonight it has fully come to a head.

The US left see this as an attempted coup. The US right it as the defence of their democracy against a stolen election.

There is no middle ground anymore.

Truth is that this long ago ceased to be about left and right as we knew it and is about two very distinct cultural philosophies.

One is what the US traditionally typified. The American Dream, a land of opportunity where any and every man could rise to the top. A culture built on a foundation of classic English liberalism and sprinkled with a dash of American gusto born from fires of a civil war fought to bring true liberty to a great nation by ending slavery.

The other we have seen before, in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China as well as elsewhere. Always with the promise of being in the benefit of the proletariat, yet always bringing power to a handful of elites while the populace starves. Where the greater good of the State supersedes the 'selfish' desire for liberty of the individual.

Tonight I fear, was the last stand of those that still believed in that American dream. I don't condone the violence. I condemn any and all violence always have done always will. But I fear that this was always going out to end this way.

Tomorrow will be the beginning of a very different world and it is a world I have been fearful of for a long time.

There are a large number of other similar photos circulating yet there are people on here still denying that there are any white power or racist supporters involved.

Trump was always a danger and now he will be hiding away. He has blood on his hands for inciting this violence and should be prosecuted accordingly.

The “protestors” are openly giving interviews saying they are Trump supporters.

He lost the election. The results yesterday even strengthened the argument that there was no fraud as the Republicans lost both seats that were previously safe.

Awful times and Trump must be held to account, no more trying to justify this.

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Two pipe bombs were recovered near the Capitol after being left outside the offices of the Democratic and Republican National Committees
A truck full of long guns - meaning rifles and shotguns - and Molotov cocktails was uncovered by officers
Three people died from 'individual medical emergencies' around the Capitol while others were injured, including one man reportedly stabbed outside Trump International Hotel
The National Guard was called in by Mike Pence to restore order as a 6pm curfew was brought into force in DC
52 people were arrested, including four for carrying pistols and a fifth for carrying an unspecified weapon
Trump was kicked off Twitter and Facebook for 24 hours after calling the rioters 'great patriots' and continuing to claim, without evidence, that the election was being 'viciously stolen' from him .

This is out and out terrorism that has been encouraged by Trump. There's no way two pipe bombs should have got anywhere near The Capitol offices! Imagine had they been used? Scary.

It has always struck me that the USA system for casting votes is really, really open to fraud.

Individual States all working differently with process of Voting and counting (eg: postal votes counted after close of election as they were postmarked just before midnight on day of the vote), (Military votes in US and overseas marked and collected in huge batches and then sorted to post to individual states where person is registered), (Counting staff having a night off or even a couple of days off before count resumes) - all open to Blatant Fraud or worse SUSPECTED fraud, as is what seems to be alleged with Trump/Biden.

I heard some protesters at this latest clash at Capitol Hill on TV saying it was more about Democratic voting change than Trump and the suspicion of the people in their trust with the way things are done in USA ?

God knows our UK system is bad enough - with postal voting, proxy voting and no Individual ID checks at polling Station Just your name on a list at county level is also open to Fraud.

In UK and USA as In any Democratic Country as opposed to a dictatorship type country it is difficult to balance the democratic rights of people with enforcement (eg: not voting = democratic right), (lawful protest = Democratic right), etc,etc.

For instance, When my son was in school, many years ago he chose Politics as a subject for As level and we were having a family discussion when the subject of Voting came up. Being an ex military man with discipline instilled in me, My view at that time was that any UK citizen over 18 should be made to register a vote in elections to fulfill the democratic process of choosing who or what is the majority winner - AH But, my son replied then you would get people who know nothing and are not interested in politics or political decisions (eg, young 18 year olds or vulnerable adults, etc) voting for something that they either know nothing about or coerced by family, friends or media,etc and also to choose not to vote is part of living in a democratic country. Fair point I said, and changed my opinion YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY !!!

Come out with your excuses as much as you want , these were right wing patriotic dick brains and they were white . And they attacked the centre of American government . If they were black there would be hundreds of them lying dead in the street .

of course there would...there have been riots there for months and not one where there were hundreds dead....

Sadly he can’t bring himself to criticise the Leftist scum who maimed killed and destroyed. Criticising Trumpets ok, criticising BLM no theyre on his side.

The woman shot tonight is now dead .... R I P .

don’t know why anyone would wish R I P to a terrorist

Strange World we live in. A violent scumbag with a long criminal history who held a loaded gun against the stomach of a pregnant woman during a robbery, has been lionised because he died when arrested for trying to pass a snide $20 bill. So ok to riot and murder in his name but wrong to wish condolences on an American Army veteran. Strange moral compass you’ve got.

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

Spot on. Be interesting to see the difference in the MSMs narrative between her and Floyd.

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

Spot on. Be interesting to see the difference in the MSMs narrative between her and Floyd.

That's what happens when you join a violent protest, Someone will get injured or killed. It's usually the innocent ones.Very sad indeed.

Surprisingly nuclear, Ealing, forever blue, skideman, robjohn, c rombie and the like are all quiet on this.....

They are always ready to pile in if the offenders are black, blm, left wing, or foreign but crickets now that the terrorists are white and right wing...

Lock em up and throw away the key, if they aren't shot first. (the terrorists that is, not people on this forum)

Can we not just agree that both extreme left and extreme right, are both complete and utter cunts?

Not everything has to be do polarised. And I honestly don't get why a bunch of Welshmen on a football board are so interested on a political topic that's happening thousands of miles away simply because its rammed down your throats in the news.

“Congress officially certifies the 2020 Presidential Election for President-Elect Biden”.

After 2 months of crying foul play, rigged election, stolen votes, tampering, secret ballots, etc with no evidence surfacing, Trump supporters died yesterday trying to stop the signing of routine paperwork.

claims of this being solely a white supremacist movement seem on the surface the usual lazy and unfounded claims.

I chose my words carefully because there is an unsavoury element to any protest of that size.

To be very clear white supremacists are scum. This man in the hoody scum.

Have a small scum element attached themselves to this rally? Yes.

Are they the majority of Trump protesters - not even close to being 1% of the hundreds of thousands if not million or so in DC.

flags with the name of a man who called neo-Nazis "very fine people"... Still don't see the white supremacist pattern?

It is statements like this that weaken any argument of white supremacists lurking on every corner. It's hyperbole based on an outright lie.

It's been repeated so much that it becomes accepted but the actual statement was:

"I'm not talking about the neo-nazis or the white supremacists because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists but the press treated these people very unfairly. Now, in the other group [the left as defined by the journalist he was addressing] you had some fine people, but you also had some trouble makers, and you see them come with the black outfits, with helmets, with baseball bats, you've got a lot of bad people in the other group to."

Direct footage @ https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?t=117

When you go from this statement explicitly condemning white supremacists put it through the media cycle and it comes out as 'a man who called neo-Nazis "very fine people"' is it any wonder some people have stopped listening to the exaggerated claims of white supremacists in the US, while others see nothing but Nazis in every-crowd.

The media pushed the division of society. The media claimed half of the US were white supremacist, neo-nazi, misogynist, bigoted scum. What happened last night didn't emerge in isolation, it was the endpoint of a much longer process as I said in my last post.

If there is blood on the hands of Trump, then the media are covered in blood head to toe.

If we are going to stop making excuses for one side of the equation, we need to stop making excuses for the other side as well as there is no balance, no middle ground and without that, there will be no resolution.

Can we not just agree that both extreme left and extreme right, are both complete and utter cunts?

Agree 100% mate.

(sorry don't want to get you on someone's list by agreeing with you )

But you're spot on and it really shouldn't be that hard to find common ground at least somewhere.

Great post

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

Bombs outside republican offices doesn’t mean that they weren’t left by Trump supporters. Trump has turned on every republican who didn’t agree with him calling them RINOs...including Mike Pence as recently as yesterday because he wouldn’t do something that he couldn’t do according to the constitution.

Trump turning on his ‘own’ party shows how little regard his has for anyone but himself.

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

She was warned twice to stop and charged the police, there is video evidence of what happened, at this moment we do not whether she was armed or not, you were not there but go ahead blame the police when you have no idea what actually happened. Also you do have the right to protest, but you do not have the right to break into congress, and attack the police, this is not protesting but terrorism.

Guys meet 2 AntiFA guys from Philadelpha who were at the Capital Hill last night.

Also meet the paid BLM actor who was also there.

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The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

She was warned twice to stop and charged the police, there is video evidence of what happened, at this moment we do not whether she was armed or not, you were not there but go ahead blame the police when you have no idea what actually happened. Also you do have the right to protest, but you do not have the right to break into congress, and attack the police, this is not protesting but terrorism.

The shooting is online mate, don’t think she was armed but she looked like she was trying to force entry.

Surprisingly nuclear, Ealing, forever blue, skideman, robjohn, c rombie and the like are all quiet on this.....

They are always ready to pile in if the offenders are black, blm, left wing, or foreign but crickets now that the terrorists are white and right wing...

Lock em up and throw away the key, if they aren't shot first. (the terrorists that is, not people on this forum)

Can we not just agree that both extreme left and extreme right, are both complete and utter cunts?

Not everything has to be do polarised. And I honestly don't get why a bunch of Welshmen on a football board are so interested on a political topic that's happening thousands of miles away simply because its rammed down your throats in the news.

That’s what boils my piss, Floyd dies and it’s terrible, woman shot last night deserved it, according to some. Sadly the batshit crazy shite has crossed the Atlantic.