“ After 11 Years “

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Nonsense, the flint buy was warnock, same as bacuna! Long contracts on big wages! He had all the experience,the board,rightly or wrongly,trusted his vast knowledge of the game,and backed him,as they have with other managers.
So now warnock isnt/wasnt a proper football man??people see things in different ways,and tbf,its getting monotonous now!! Every couple of weeks,this subject gets re hashed.
And anyone whi can do basic math,can see this 36m parachute payment will just about cover this seasins wages!! So without fans attending,tell me who's propping the club up? Tans businesses, especially the Hospitality sector,have taken a huge hit through covid,like most,but some fans want him to keep splashing the cash!! Suppose its easy,when itz not their money?.

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Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Again

How has he failed in his venture ?
He said he would lead us to the premier league and has done that twice .

We owe money because we wanted success and that takes investment. If he hadn't invested and we stayed static then people would moan of no ambition.

What sponsors would you like ?
Not sure what difference it makes.

You cant say the board let us go into the season with one right back then moan about the board getting involved in the playing side.

Can you name this all knowing football person that everyone keeps going on about and what it is exactly that makes him a football man please

He’s failed as we are worse off than when we started!

When you invest at our level you buy young hungry assets not donkeys on a million pound deals with no motivation.

As regards football man then there are a number of candidates. Steve McPhail would be my choice as he’s doing a director of football job already. Plenty of others out there.

Visit Malaysia gives us bugger all compared to other clubs in similar positions.

Peter Ridsdale was a football person but he wasted loads of money and everyone hated him.

Having a football person in might help - but only if that person knows the game and is commercially strong. I suspect that there aren’t many of those around in all honesty (Dan Ashworth is a quality one that springs to mind).

Finally how does anyone know that he doesn’t listen to anyone about football - Borley had been involved with the club for decades, we know he spoke with Ferguson, went back to seek council from Jones etc. Just because someone isn’t a paid member of the board doesn’t mean that they don’t seek advice from outside.

The original post is an excellent summary.

Annis

I agree with you all the way

If it wasnt for the Malaysian involvement we would have been mincemeat FACT.sam and the riddler between them bust us

Our club is a joke. I don’t normally post on here but fully agree with Annis.

Tan who is clearly an excellent businessman has failed miserably in this venture.

He is reason why we owe him so much money!!!

What needs to happen if he won’t sell is for Ken choo to leave. We need a football person in charge of day to day running of the club. That person needs to oversee the club from top to bottom. We need an academy that’s well regarded with a clear pathway to first team for young welsh players that the fans can relate too.

I’m sick of the way the club is run. Commercially it is poor. The lack of real sponsors says it all.

The transfer committee is a farce. Aden flint for 5 million quid on 26 k a week is madness. Why sign him when he’s a poor version of Morrison. They let the club go into this season with 1 inexperienced right back.

Tan needs to listen to people who know about football. Not yes men who lick his arse!!!

Again

How has he failed in his venture ?
He said he would lead us to the premier league and has done that twice .

We owe money because we wanted success and that takes investment. If he hadn't invested and we stayed static then people would moan of no ambition.

What sponsors would you like ?
Not sure what difference it makes.

You cant say the board let us go into the season with one right back then moan about the board getting involved in the playing side.

Can you name this all knowing football person that everyone keeps going on about and what it is exactly that makes him a football man please

He’s failed as we are worse off than when we started!

When you invest at our level you buy young hungry assets not donkeys on a million pound deals with no motivation.

As regards football man then there are a number of candidates. Steve McPhail would be my choice as he’s doing a director of football job already. Plenty of others out there.

Visit Malaysia gives us bugger all compared to other clubs in similar positions.

Peter Ridsdale was a football person but he wasted loads of money and everyone hated him.

Having a football person in might help - but only if that person knows the game and is commercially strong. I suspect that there aren’t many of those around in all honesty (Dan Ashworth is a quality one that springs to mind).

Finally how does anyone know that he doesn’t listen to anyone about football - Borley had been involved with the club for decades, we know he spoke with Ferguson, went back to seek council from Jones etc. Just because someone isn’t a paid member of the board doesn’t mean that they don’t seek advice from outside.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good dig at the club for no reason.

The reason this subject of a football person keeps getting brought up is because its the only apparent thing they can hold against the club. Borley has beenbinvolved in football for donkeys years but his name is conveniently left out of these conversations

If it wasnt for the Malaysian involvement we would have been mincemeat FACT.sam and the riddler between them bust us

Deano,
This is about the past 11 yrs, but if you change to change the subject we were going under before Sam came and Tan bought it off the Riddler and co.
Mid you’ve supported the club as long as me, 15 times in my yrs we were suppose to go bust, our club will always survive and actually we were net going under.

How about debating my facts first ?

All that and still arguably the best period in the clubs history or at least in living memory.
11 years, 1 Cup final, 3 play off finishes, 2 automatic promotions including winning the league, 2 seasons in the Premier League.

How many Championship teams can say the same.

Spot on.

100% agree with every point in what the original poster has said.


Tan HAS put money into the club and is and has been taken it all back, but so have many many other owners. BUT he has wanted to be owner, manager, tactician, director of football and chief scout all at the same time with no football knowledge.

On the whole, appointed appalling managers, (a few lucky exceptions), bought dross players ( too often not the managers call as there is this 'transfer committee').

Wants to run the club like a business, ( admirable), but when it's clear it cannot be, he continues blindly.

Has no passion for the club or it's fans. Treats us like Mushrooms.

Clearly believes we can operate with such a small squad that a few injuries absolutely decimate us.

The last fun, flowing football we had was under DJ. Our football for 10 years, even in the promotion years has not once been easy on the eye.

Agreed I would rather have Chops, Bothroyd, Burke, McNaughton, Koumas, McCormack, Olofinjana than ANY OF TODAYS players.

I've said before and I'll say again, Board OUT!

WE ARE WALES CAPITAL CLUB AND SHOULD HAVE A CLUB IN THE TOP FLIGHT. WHAT OTHER EUROPEAN CAPITOL HAS A FLOUNDERING CLUB WITH ZERO DIRECTION??

I can name you two,just in turkey(ankara)!!

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Perfect example

I bet the Hull, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Bolton and Bury fans are all so pleased they don’t have Tan.

So we should look at terrible owners, and then because ours is better we should then accept that as our standard? Don't really get this to be honest.

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I dont know about the rest of the posters on here, we are by no means safe from relegation and something drastically needs to happen this month

I dont know about the rest of the posters on here, we are by no means safe from relegation and something drastically needs to happen this month

We are not safe under Harris

But we also are not out of the play off picture either with a new manager .

A win today against bottom of the table Rotherham would have put us 11th and only 5 points from the play off places with a very favourable run of fixtures coming up after Norwich

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Perfect example

I bet the Hull, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Bolton and Bury fans are all so pleased they don’t have Tan.

So we should look at terrible owners, and then because ours is better we should then accept that as our standard? Don't really get this to be honest.

Worcester claimed that our owner and board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club. Frankly a ludicrous statement considering within the same timeframe some of the misfortunes numerous other clubs have faced.

Is Tan the best owner in the UK, no and probably not even in the top 10. Has his 11 year ownership ruined our club and put us in a position that will take years and perhaps decades to recover from that the previous teams I mentioned face? No. We've seen one of the most successful periods in the club's history. We've arguably been more successful than most teams in the Football League in the previous 11 years.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

Well that makes perfect sense

Did I dream being in the premier league in blue?

Let's go back to the old 3rd division days is it? At least we won't have Tan screwing things up.

Tan has brought stability to the club when other clubs similar to us e.g Portsmouth have hit really hard times.
Stadium paid for abd 2 stints in the Premier league, cup final ....not a bad 10 years altogether.
I remember the really bad days years ago playing down Exeter etc etc.and wondering if we would survive on/off pitch.
And as for Tan wanting to rebrand years ago...didn’t happen so let’s leave it in the past

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

Well that makes perfect sense

Did I dream being in the premier league in blue?

Let's go back to the old 3rd division days is it? At least we won't have Tan screwing things up.

Without him thats exactly where we would be now or worse.

Vincent tan has achieved pretty much everything every supporter of this club has ever dreamed of and thought impossible 10 years ago.

Im waiting for the punchline? No where near the worst time ib last 30 years let along even longer

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Perfect example

I bet the Hull, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Bolton and Bury fans are all so pleased they don’t have Tan.

So we should look at terrible owners, and then because ours is better we should then accept that as our standard? Don't really get this to be honest.

Worcester claimed that our owner and board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club. Frankly a ludicrous statement considering within the same timeframe some of the misfortunes numerous other clubs have faced.

Is Tan the best owner in the UK, no and probably not even in the top 10. Has his 11 year ownership ruined our club and put us in a position that will take years and perhaps decades to recover from that the previous teams I mentioned face? No. We've seen one of the most successful periods in the club's history. We've arguably been more successful than most teams in the Football League in the previous 11 years.

WCB

I would like to know how you validate "most teams". In the 11 years Tan has been with us I would say most teams around us when he came onto the scene have done a lot better. Yes we have had 2 promotions to the Premier but compare that to the others teams that have done that in the 11 years it does not make successful reading. Leicester becoming Premier champions, Swansea remaining their 7 years winning the Leaque cup and having a good spell in Europe, Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Sheff Utd all have been promoted from the Championship and have managed to stay there for more than the one season.

For me next season will be the testing time for Tan and his ownership. There will be no parachute payments and as the academy is not producing anything I can now see his most loyal followers turning against him.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

Well that makes perfect sense

Did I dream being in the premier league in blue?

Let's go back to the old 3rd division days is it? At least we won't have Tan screwing things up.

No you didn't dream it. You also didn't dream that we finished bottom regarding 3rd division we could well be on way back there

Do we have a perfect owner? No.

Are there perfect owners? No.

Are we likely to get a better owner than Vincent Tan? Unlikely, based on who we have had in the past.

Where would we be if Vincent Tan had not been our owner? Probably not in the Championship.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

Well that makes perfect sense

Did I dream being in the premier league in blue?

Let's go back to the old 3rd division days is it? At least we won't have Tan screwing things up.

Without him thats exactly where we would be now or worse.

Vincent tan has achieved pretty much everything every supporter of this club has ever dreamed of and thought impossible 10 years ago.

that for sure I never dreamed the club I supported since 1975 the bluebirds would suddenly appear in red with a red dragon for a badge .

Absolutely spot on.

Our owner and the board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club.

Mistakes after mistakes which they never learn from, and I'm sad to say they never will.

Some will defend them because they always do, but the reality is our club is run extremely badly from the very top.

Perfect example

I bet the Hull, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Bolton and Bury fans are all so pleased they don’t have Tan.

So we should look at terrible owners, and then because ours is better we should then accept that as our standard? Don't really get this to be honest.

Worcester claimed that our owner and board are a perfect example of how not to run a football club. Frankly a ludicrous statement considering within the same timeframe some of the misfortunes numerous other clubs have faced.

Is Tan the best owner in the UK, no and probably not even in the top 10. Has his 11 year ownership ruined our club and put us in a position that will take years and perhaps decades to recover from that the previous teams I mentioned face? No. We've seen one of the most successful periods in the club's history. We've arguably been more successful than most teams in the Football League in the previous 11 years.

WCB

I would like to know how you validate "most teams". In the 11 years Tan has been with us I would say most teams around us when he came onto the scene have done a lot better. Yes we have had 2 promotions to the Premier but compare that to the others teams that have done that in the 11 years it does not make successful reading. Leicester becoming Premier champions, Swansea remaining their 7 years winning the Leaque cup and having a good spell in Europe, Burnley, Southampton, Wolves, Sheff Utd all have been promoted from the Championship and have managed to stay there for more than the one season.

For me next season will be the testing time for Tan and his ownership. There will be no parachute payments and as the academy is not producing anything I can now see his most loyal followers turning against him.

Sorry I should've clarified by Football League I mean the Championship, L1 and L2. Yes Swansea's 7 years trump our 2 promotions, Wolves European run and Burnley's continued survival too. But since the 10/11 season in the FA Cup and League cup in a combined 20 finals there have only been 2 non PL teams. Us and Bradford.

When you look in the Championship at some of the so called big teams since 2010:
Norwich - 2 promotions and straight back down each time.
Brentford - 1 promotion from L1 and 2 play off finishes.
Leeds - 1 promotion and 2 play off finishes.
Derby - 4 play off finishes. No promotions.
Bristol - Relegation from Championship, Promotion from L1, Lower League Trophy winners and no play off finishes.
Cardiff - 2 automatic promotions, 3 play off finishes and 1 cup final.

I would argue our last 10 seasons are more successful than those teams. I'm not too clued up on the lower leagues but I can't imagine many teams have 2 promotions and 3 play offs in 10 seasons.

The facts are that Tan’s 11years have been our most successful since the 1920’s and certainly in my 60 years supporting our club! Yet some of our supporters continue to criticise him, all I can say to them is if they know a Billionaire who wants to buy us and waste millions please contact Mr Tan as I’m sure he will sell? But history has taught us that the grass is not always greener!

false success mate, never lasted long and never enjoyed it due to the politics and our soul ripped out

What in the world does "false success" even mean, please elaborate.

Blue to red so wasn't the true Cardiff city.play off / cup finals but lost the lot. Tan has achieved nothing in common with every owner we've had as far back as the mid 50s when we had a few seasons in the top flight.

Well that makes perfect sense

Did I dream being in the premier league in blue?

Let's go back to the old 3rd division days is it? At least we won't have Tan screwing things up.

Without him thats exactly where we would be now or worse.

Vincent tan has achieved pretty much everything every supporter of this club has ever dreamed of and thought impossible 10 years ago.

that for sure I never dreamed the club I supported since 1975 the bluebirds would suddenly appear in red with a red dragon for a badge .

Did you dream they would play in the premier league in a blue kit with a bluebird on the badge?

Did you dream of multi million pound signings every season ?

Did you dream of cup finals ?

Did you dream of play off contention?

Did you dream of big name managers?

Did you dream of financial security?

Did you dream of some of the best and biggest name Welsh international players pulling on a city shirt

Did you dream about international world class players like Medel and Camarasa coming to play for us ?

All these things made possible by Vincent Tan . All anyone ever remembers is his one misjudgement which is massive unfair he has made up for that time and time again and continues to do so

Wasn’t VT going to make us debt free by 2021? Why doesn’t he sell up half the club to one if his even wealthier Chinese buddies? With a decent manager and 50 million outlay you could easily go up out of this league. We are ripe for it as VT doesn’t appear to want to go for it again, which is not surprising as the CEO can never seem to get the right manager in to build the club for long term success.....even with Warnock who got us up quite cheaply but then blew millions on duffs and left us floundering.