As of 19th March Covid19 is no longer

So Nothing to worry about as it is all going away not rising at all, it's all a government plot

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Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days.
I have seen with my own eyes hospitals that are supposed to be bursting at the seams. My Dad again had to go in hospital a few weeks ago at Glangwilli in Carmarthen and my mum was being pressurised not to send him in because the hospital was overrun and A&E was also overrun.
But we had to send him in no choice but we had to take clean cloths for him at his ward and to get there we had to pass through A&E and I’m telling no lies there was three people sat in A&E.
My dad was moved to another ward and my dad was deteriorating and they wouldn’t let my mum in to see him her husband of 63 years.
When he deteriorated to the point of it was coming to end of life we was allowed to see him. In his ward the first room had four beds with only one patient the next four rooms were single beds and only two used one was my dads I never saw the rest of the wards.
Unfortunately my Dad passed on the 29th.
Death rates have not gone up this year and the average over the last ten has been fairly constant but just like the lies of the hospitals we are now being told bodies are stacking up and funerals are now taking about a month. More lies.

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My condolences but your evidence is purely anecdotal and not at all reflective of the wider UK situation. Glangwili is a hospital that serves a town with 15,000 people and some surrounding areas, Carmarthenshire itself has 6 hospitals whilst having a total population of around 190,000 in an area of 2,400 sqkm. For context that's about 13% of all of Wales and nearly twice the size of London (~1,500 sqkm). Carmarthenshire has an extremely small population for it's size and very few large population centres. The worst hit areas for Covid are those with large, dense populations which Carmarthen and Carmarthenshire does not have.

Secondly, Covid patients won't be in A+E or on regular wards. They'll be in ICU. And this is where the major problems arise. ICU capacity is stretched extremely thin and once you run out of ICU space anyone else that needs it will most likely die. This isn't just Covid patients, it's cancer patients, heart attack victims, car crash victims, serious stabbings, extreme burn victims etc. If ICU reaches maximum capacity then it will be more than just Covid patients dying, this was the reason for the lockdown, not to eliminate the virus but to control the damage. I've tried to look if Glangwili has any ICU beds but I couldn't find any information. As mentioned in the previous paragraph, hospitals like Glangwili aren't the type to be overrun.

As for the rest of the UK though hospital admissions are rising and capacity is running out, this applies for Wales as well. There is mountains of evidence to support this.

This is a breakdown of hospital bed usage and availability in Wales which goes back to April. During the first peak in April around 1000 general hospital beds were for Covid with an additional ~200 ventilated beds occupied. In May these numbers dropped to ~900 and ~150 respectively.
June was ~750 and ~130.
July was ~500 and ~120.
August was ~300 and ~120.
The pattern is clear to see, however the numbers for December show that hospitalisations are worse than the first peak in April.
December has an average of ~2100 general beds being used for Covid and back up to ~200 ventilated beds occupied.

https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalogue/ ... y-date-use

As for your comment about death rates you're wrong, death rates have gone up.
Compare the numbers for England and Wales in 2020 compared to previous years using the ONS stats below.
The data for 2020 stops at October 31st but in short:
2020, Jan to Oct = 499,281
2019, Jan to Dec = 529,553
2018, Jan to Dec = 540,165
2017, Jan to Dec = 532,103

The November and December stats:
2019 = 92,500
2018 = 85,517
2017 = 90,528

The average deaths for November and December of the past 3 years are 89,515. If we add the average of the last 3 years to the Jan - Oct numbers for 2020 we get 588,796 deaths for 2020. If we assume the death rate for the past 2 months was in line with the average that still puts this year as the deadliest of the past 4 years and with a massive ~55,000 more deaths than usual or over 10% higher than usual. That's if the numbers stay in line with the average and don't increase.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence


Even a general look at case numbers and death numbers show that November and December have seen more cases and more deaths than during the first peak in March/April.

Thank you for you condolences and everyone else on here. We have been expecting this news to come for nearly four years now but he just kept battling. But I appreciate it.
Now to clarify what you said my Dad was in the ICU ward but then was moved to a normal ward of which they said was covid safe. Now what I found strange was they was planning on moving him to the Nightingale hospital before he deteriorated in preparation to get him back home. Now what I found strange was the fact the Nightingale Hospitals was covid hospitals.
Now Glangwili wasn’t by no means full. This time last year it bloody well was.
But the news coming out recently in the national press that they was getting these nightingale hospitals ready to start receiving patients. Why ? Are they going to put patients without covid in these hospitals to release in the media that these hospitals are filling up ? whilst Most of the main hospitals are mainly empty ? Another con another lie to make people believe that it’s covid patients that are being put in these nightingale hospitals ?
Now I have seen other hospitals where videos have been taken showing they are mainly empty. One was Gloucester Royal infirmary where a woman filmed it and it was shared 80k times. This woman was then arrested at her home address in her dressing gown for revealing the truth. I saw the Gwent in Newport and that was like a ghost town.
Now back to Glangwili you was saying about it being a small place etc but it was the fact they was putting pressure on my mum not to have him admitted there because it was the paramedics and her local doctor saying it was full when it wasn’t.
It the bare faced lies that I find hard to take.
If they are lying over that what else are they lying about ? I don’t get my info off Facebook it’s what I have seen myself then started asking the questions.And it was also in March it was the same lies about Glangwili but they was saying back then there was a massive tent in A&E Car Park Which was also full. Now I done my own research on that and there was a tent there but it had never been used and A&E was quieter than it has ever been.
The lies are bare faced and misleading, the stats are misleading to the truth. Now I have from a friend that someone they now died in a RTA but on the death certificate it states covid because it fell within the twenty eight days rule. The family are fighting this but there you are the statistics in all its glory.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

No it hasn’t impacted me at the moment in fact my finances has improved. I am retired but me and my wife are landlords so all good. Why am I taking this stance ? For my children and Grandkids. My lad is in college and that has severely been disruptive and he works at Cayote Ugly so say no more on what it has done job wise for him.
My impact solely lies with my social life of which as a so called free person I’m allowed to do what I like within the law.
But now the law says I can’t go to a pub or restaurant with my friends. I’m not supposed to go for a walk or get exercise unless it’s on my doorstep.
People can’t get there eyes checked and that is really dangerous with so many driving on the roads etc. My ears are clogged up with wax but no ear syringing is being done. But because money is being made out of flu jabs they will do that.
Damn right I’m taking a stand as wouldn’t be able to look my grandkids in the eye when they are older knowing I did nothing and now they are having to live in this NEW NORMAL.
All I’m trying to do is get people to see what is right in front of them. Like some people they see the truth and they start thinking then they watch the BBC news and they are back under that spell again.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

take a step back and have a real good think about whose perspectives have changed.... and where the hardline stance is... we are robbing children of real childhoods...teenagers/ young adults the most memorable times of their lives, the old and the ill the comfort of their families.... for ? lockdowns that there is not a single shred of evidence that they work..good honest hard working people losing their businesses, jobs and in some cases their houses...
its restrictions and lockdowns that are hardline..

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

Yes let's tell people with depression and suicidal feelings to stop being so selfish and come back later this year when we might have a bit more time to deal with them - that's a great idea.

Whilst we're at it let's tell all those other selfish people with cancer or other life threatening conditions to keep their fingers crossed that we manage to get Covid under control before they pass away because no other causes of death matter any more unless they're Covid do they?

And if you've lost the business you've spent years and years building up, don't worry about it. We'll just re-create loads of jobs later in the year and you'll be able to restart your business again without any problems at all.

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

Now offence but wow! People who feel suicidal can wait till later in the year!!! You have very little understanding of "feeling depressed and suicidal" obviously!! I have lost two friends to suicide,the 2nd one was because he was kept waiting for too long! Even a couple of months back a young woman jumped of a bridge on the m4 near swansea,because they cancelled her appointment to see a mental health worker,to say " they can wait" shows you are lacking sympathy or empathy,for people who are struggling enough,to contemplate taking their own life.

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

The nhs has struggled every winter as far back as I remember! We havent been "on track" as far as the nhs goes,due to severe under funding,nothing to do with bloody covid!!

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

I hope we'll be having a stat for deaths 28 days after receiving a vaccine...

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

Now offence but wow! People who feel suicidal can wait till later in the year!!! You have very little understanding of "feeling depressed and suicidal" obviously!! I have lost two friends to suicide,the 2nd one was because he was kept waiting for too long! Even a couple of months back a young woman jumped of a bridge on the m4 near swansea,because they cancelled her appointment to see a mental health worker,to say " they can wait" shows you are lacking sympathy or empathy,for people who are struggling enough,to contemplate taking their own life.

Of course I have empathy with people with mental health issues; but I also have empathy with the many people who have needlessly died of this virus; their families along with the NHS staff currently trying to juggle it all. So it's up to all of us to be patient, try to follow the guidelines, get these numbers in hospital down and give everyone a chance!

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...

Don't understand your point. If you don't have the patience to accept the lockdown guidance, more people will end up in hospital with the virus, resulting in even longer NHS waiting lists. Let's get back on track with running the health service the way it was always intended by ridding ourselves of the virus first. We can worry about people with depression and feeling suicidal along with re-creating jobs later in the year when hopefully the vaccine has protected the most vulnerable.

i know you dont understand or have given it much thought ..... the magic wand response screams out that you do not.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

No it hasn’t impacted me at the moment in fact my finances has improved. I am retired but me and my wife are landlords so all good. Why am I taking this stance ? For my children and Grandkids. My lad is in college and that has severely been disruptive and he works at Cayote Ugly so say no more on what it has done job wise for him.
My impact solely lies with my social life of which as a so called free person I’m allowed to do what I like within the law.
But now the law says I can’t go to a pub or restaurant with my friends. I’m not supposed to go for a walk or get exercise unless it’s on my doorstep.
People can’t get there eyes checked and that is really dangerous with so many driving on the roads etc. My ears are clogged up with wax but no ear syringing is being done. But because money is being made out of flu jabs they will do that.
Damn right I’m taking a stand as wouldn’t be able to look my grandkids in the eye when they are older knowing I did nothing and now they are having to live in this NEW NORMAL.
All I’m trying to do is get people to see what is right in front of them. Like some people they see the truth and they start thinking then they watch the BBC news and they are back under that spell again.

Ok fair enough I can see your perspective, but I can't see a solution if we simply unlocked everything the NHS wouldn't cope and people would die from heart attacks and strokes as there would be no way of treating them.

I understand the NHS struggles every year in Wales, but this year will be a lot worse and that's with lockdowns and a 1 day Christmas, and we won't see the full impact of that one day for another few weeks.

We need that vaccine out to as many that will take it as quickly as possible, and then life can get back to full normality by the end of the year, hopefully sooner if the four nations leaders don't feck it up!

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

No it hasn’t impacted me at the moment in fact my finances has improved. I am retired but me and my wife are landlords so all good. Why am I taking this stance ? For my children and Grandkids. My lad is in college and that has severely been disruptive and he works at Cayote Ugly so say no more on what it has done job wise for him.
My impact solely lies with my social life of which as a so called free person I’m allowed to do what I like within the law.
But now the law says I can’t go to a pub or restaurant with my friends. I’m not supposed to go for a walk or get exercise unless it’s on my doorstep.
People can’t get there eyes checked and that is really dangerous with so many driving on the roads etc. My ears are clogged up with wax but no ear syringing is being done. But because money is being made out of flu jabs they will do that.
Damn right I’m taking a stand as wouldn’t be able to look my grandkids in the eye when they are older knowing I did nothing and now they are having to live in this NEW NORMAL.
All I’m trying to do is get people to see what is right in front of them. Like some people they see the truth and they start thinking then they watch the BBC news and they are back under that spell again.

Ok fair enough I can see your perspective, but I can't see a solution if we simply unlocked everything the NHS wouldn't cope and people would die from heart attacks and strokes as there would be no way of treating them.

I understand the NHS struggles every year in Wales, but this year will be a lot worse and that's with lockdowns and a 1 day Christmas, and we won't see the full impact of that one day for another few weeks.

We need that vaccine out to as many that will take it as quickly as possible, and then life can get back to full normality by the end of the year, hopefully sooner if the four nations leaders don't feck it up!

Hallelujah, someone talking my language. The few 'noisy' people think this problem can be sorted by opening things up just as we did in the late summer and all would be well. Boris tried that....it didn't work.

I cannot see a difference,supermarkets can stay open,yet small independent stores have to close,because every "small shop" I have encountered have better and stricter adherence to guidelines,such as limiting numbers in and mask wearing! Several small shops are not letting you in without one,and insist you take up the sanitation gel when offered.
I havent found this to be the case in the big supermarkets ive visited of late! Once inside there are people walking any way they choose,and nobody enforcing social distancing(unless you count the tannoy announcements)!!

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

No it hasn’t impacted me at the moment in fact my finances has improved. I am retired but me and my wife are landlords so all good. Why am I taking this stance ? For my children and Grandkids. My lad is in college and that has severely been disruptive and he works at Cayote Ugly so say no more on what it has done job wise for him.
My impact solely lies with my social life of which as a so called free person I’m allowed to do what I like within the law.
But now the law says I can’t go to a pub or restaurant with my friends. I’m not supposed to go for a walk or get exercise unless it’s on my doorstep.
People can’t get there eyes checked and that is really dangerous with so many driving on the roads etc. My ears are clogged up with wax but no ear syringing is being done. But because money is being made out of flu jabs they will do that.
Damn right I’m taking a stand as wouldn’t be able to look my grandkids in the eye when they are older knowing I did nothing and now they are having to live in this NEW NORMAL.
All I’m trying to do is get people to see what is right in front of them. Like some people they see the truth and they start thinking then they watch the BBC news and they are back under that spell again.

Ok fair enough I can see your perspective, but I can't see a solution if we simply unlocked everything the NHS wouldn't cope and people would die from heart attacks and strokes as there would be no way of treating them.

I understand the NHS struggles every year in Wales, but this year will be a lot worse and that's with lockdowns and a 1 day Christmas, and we won't see the full impact of that one day for another few weeks.

We need that vaccine out to as many that will take it as quickly as possible, and then life can get back to full normality by the end of the year, hopefully sooner if the four nations leaders don't feck it up!

Hallelujah, someone talking my language. The few 'noisy' people think this problem can be sorted by opening things up just as we did in the late summer and all would be well. Boris tried that....it didn't work.

Why is nukes taking a hardline stance? When the same can be levelled at yourself? He is saying things as he sees and feels,he has other issues around shielding(his wife) as he says,just another thing to add to his list.he does research on things,and then posts his findings and beliefs,with what he has going on,on a daily basis,I admire his candid honesty,and tend to agree with a lot of what he says.and I certainly wouldnt label him as "noisy" there are far more "noisy" posters on this topic.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

This information is on the government web site it’s not BS but astoundingly the truth. I have also seen it in the small print under the covid deaths on the BBC News. But everyone would be looking at the massive numbers in red 50 odd thousand dead. Then under it in small writing Death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And it was 60 days.
Now out of the 60 odd thousand deaths how many was purely down to covid ? I have stated all along that dying with covid is completely different to those dying of Covid. But I’m in no doubt had my dad contacted Covid19 or even the influenza virus he would not of survived it. So for years we have shielded him of any colds coughs I might of had and never visited unless I was totally fit and virus free and that has not changed this year. I also have to do the same protecting my wife who has MS and we have done this for 11 years. To us Covid19 is just another virus to add to the list.
And after all the common cold is a form of covid.
When you start to open the can of worms into the Covid19 this year you can’t put the lid back on it because when you do your own research the lies stack up one after another. The restrictions placed on us is a mockery. Like you can wonder in a packed supermarket but people are being stopped and fined for walking up a mountain. It’s all bollocks but that’s my view mate.

I'm anti lockdowns but what can we do?

I agree on basic movement though; if people want to walk up a mountain or on a beach, there is no real problem they are outdoor activities and shallow covid risk, also perfect for lifting the spirits and keeping people going through these tough times, in this instance, the restrictions are going to far IMO. If Barry Island or Pen-Y-Fan do start to get too busy, then sure roadblock and move people on but if they are not you should be able to exercise outdoors and travel to that place.

Out of interest Nukes has your family income been affected by the lockdowns, if not what is it that has affected your perspective so much as to take such a hardline stance?

No it hasn’t impacted me at the moment in fact my finances has improved. I am retired but me and my wife are landlords so all good. Why am I taking this stance ? For my children and Grandkids. My lad is in college and that has severely been disruptive and he works at Cayote Ugly so say no more on what it has done job wise for him.
My impact solely lies with my social life of which as a so called free person I’m allowed to do what I like within the law.
But now the law says I can’t go to a pub or restaurant with my friends. I’m not supposed to go for a walk or get exercise unless it’s on my doorstep.
People can’t get there eyes checked and that is really dangerous with so many driving on the roads etc. My ears are clogged up with wax but no ear syringing is being done. But because money is being made out of flu jabs they will do that.
Damn right I’m taking a stand as wouldn’t be able to look my grandkids in the eye when they are older knowing I did nothing and now they are having to live in this NEW NORMAL.
All I’m trying to do is get people to see what is right in front of them. Like some people they see the truth and they start thinking then they watch the BBC news and they are back under that spell again.

Ok fair enough I can see your perspective, but I can't see a solution if we simply unlocked everything the NHS wouldn't cope and people would die from heart attacks and strokes as there would be no way of treating them.

I understand the NHS struggles every year in Wales, but this year will be a lot worse and that's with lockdowns and a 1 day Christmas, and we won't see the full impact of that one day for another few weeks.

We need that vaccine out to as many that will take it as quickly as possible, and then life can get back to full normality by the end of the year, hopefully sooner if the four nations leaders don't feck it up!

Hallelujah, someone talking my language. The few 'noisy' people think this problem can be sorted by opening things up just as we did in the late summer and all would be well. Boris tried that....it didn't work.

yes you have been noisy...dead people { ive lost two friends } that some were prepared to sacrifice can now magically pop back into their lives , there is a pause button for depression , suicide losing your job and poverty plus a load of other ill thought fear driven selfishness ... and is there any solid evidence that lockdowns work ? other than more die of covid when there are restrictions ...they are 100% going to cause all the previously mentioned death and destruction though no matter how much some want to ignore it.