Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:37 pm
skidemin wrote:castleblue wrote:Danny Says wrote:castleblue wrote:Well I'm going to be in a minority of one here but I think Lewis Hamilton fully deserved to win this award and for me it's easy to dismiss his achievements as being simply because he has the best car. From his first "Rookie" season in FI Lewis Hamilton showed the F1 World that he was in it to win it, and ripped a new arsehole into Fernando Alonso his team mate at Mclaren, in fact by the 2nd season at Mclaren Alonso was crying like a kid who had lost his sweets because ne simply couldn't deal with Hamiltons driving ability and total commitment to be the best.
Sport if full of champions who have had the same dedication, distain for the peers and complex persona, but you should never dismiss their achievements because they had the best car or no personality. Nick Faldo was a brilliant golfer, but off the course he was well known as a loner, the same goes for Lester Pigott and what he jockey he was, yes he won a record number of Derby's and yes in most cases he was sat on the best horse but I have seen him win on horses he had no right to win on.
Right now in F1 Mercedes does have the best car, but not on all tracks, but Lewis Hamilton drags every ounce of performance out of the car and without doubt even though his team mate has the same car Bottas can hardly lay a glove on him.
I think a knighthood is on it's way to Lewis Hamilton and in my opinion he will have earned it, personality, complexity or dedication you can put it all in the same box. WINNER.
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What so a guy who kicks up a fuss, lives in a different country & drives a car for a living quicker than some others deserves a knighthood?
Suppose though if you look at the benchmark- a tennis player, a yachtsman, a few footballers and cricketers and the odd golfer and racing commentator and some cyclists as well as other car drivers, and a boxer and rugby players and assorted odds and sods not least people who sing, dance and act for a living, it’s not that big a deal
For his contribution to motorsport and being the most successful F1 driver of all time Yes I do.
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most successful out of how many though.... id imagine your average welsh league footballer has to be better than more footballers to play at that level than a F1 driver has to be to get a car....
Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:03 pm
Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:44 pm
Danny Says wrote:In the end he gets in a car, presses go and drives round a track.
It’s a completely overrated pastime.
It’s not a sport. Man & combustion engine generated machine is not a sport.
There’s more sport in fishing, squash, bowls and countless more than car driving.
Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:25 pm
castleblue wrote:skidemin wrote:castleblue wrote:Danny Says wrote:castleblue wrote:Well I'm going to be in a minority of one here but I think Lewis Hamilton fully deserved to win this award and for me it's easy to dismiss his achievements as being simply because he has the best car. From his first "Rookie" season in FI Lewis Hamilton showed the F1 World that he was in it to win it, and ripped a new arsehole into Fernando Alonso his team mate at Mclaren, in fact by the 2nd season at Mclaren Alonso was crying like a kid who had lost his sweets because ne simply couldn't deal with Hamiltons driving ability and total commitment to be the best.
Sport if full of champions who have had the same dedication, distain for the peers and complex persona, but you should never dismiss their achievements because they had the best car or no personality. Nick Faldo was a brilliant golfer, but off the course he was well known as a loner, the same goes for Lester Pigott and what he jockey he was, yes he won a record number of Derby's and yes in most cases he was sat on the best horse but I have seen him win on horses he had no right to win on.
Right now in F1 Mercedes does have the best car, but not on all tracks, but Lewis Hamilton drags every ounce of performance out of the car and without doubt even though his team mate has the same car Bottas can hardly lay a glove on him.
I think a knighthood is on it's way to Lewis Hamilton and in my opinion he will have earned it, personality, complexity or dedication you can put it all in the same box. WINNER.
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What so a guy who kicks up a fuss, lives in a different country & drives a car for a living quicker than some others deserves a knighthood?
Suppose though if you look at the benchmark- a tennis player, a yachtsman, a few footballers and cricketers and the odd golfer and racing commentator and some cyclists as well as other car drivers, and a boxer and rugby players and assorted odds and sods not least people who sing, dance and act for a living, it’s not that big a deal
For his contribution to motorsport and being the most successful F1 driver of all time Yes I do.
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most successful out of how many though.... id imagine your average welsh league footballer has to be better than more footballers to play at that level than a F1 driver has to be to get a car....
I think there have been around 750 drivers in F1 history and although that doesn't sound a lot it does show how difficult it is to get a Super License to compete in F1. Of those 750 drivers just under 400 raced in 10 or fewer Grand Prix. Any driver that makes the grade has a great deal of scrutiny of their driving ability which removes the "Average Driver" from the "Elite"
There are few drivers who reach above 200 grand prix drives, I think less than 20, Lewis Hamilton has started 265 Grand Prix and has only missed 1 race, Bahrain a few weeks ago, and to be able to do that tells you he really is the the "Elite" of drivers who have competed in this sport. Ability, dedication and commitment has placed him at the top of the F1 tree.
If it was that easy to gain a drive, keep you place in the car more than a couple of % of the all time drivers would have gone above 200 drives.
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:58 pm
skidemin wrote:castleblue wrote:skidemin wrote:castleblue wrote:Danny Says wrote:castleblue wrote:Well I'm going to be in a minority of one here but I think Lewis Hamilton fully deserved to win this award and for me it's easy to dismiss his achievements as being simply because he has the best car. From his first "Rookie" season in FI Lewis Hamilton showed the F1 World that he was in it to win it, and ripped a new arsehole into Fernando Alonso his team mate at Mclaren, in fact by the 2nd season at Mclaren Alonso was crying like a kid who had lost his sweets because ne simply couldn't deal with Hamiltons driving ability and total commitment to be the best.
Sport if full of champions who have had the same dedication, distain for the peers and complex persona, but you should never dismiss their achievements because they had the best car or no personality. Nick Faldo was a brilliant golfer, but off the course he was well known as a loner, the same goes for Lester Pigott and what he jockey he was, yes he won a record number of Derby's and yes in most cases he was sat on the best horse but I have seen him win on horses he had no right to win on.
Right now in F1 Mercedes does have the best car, but not on all tracks, but Lewis Hamilton drags every ounce of performance out of the car and without doubt even though his team mate has the same car Bottas can hardly lay a glove on him.
I think a knighthood is on it's way to Lewis Hamilton and in my opinion he will have earned it, personality, complexity or dedication you can put it all in the same box. WINNER.
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What so a guy who kicks up a fuss, lives in a different country & drives a car for a living quicker than some others deserves a knighthood?
Suppose though if you look at the benchmark- a tennis player, a yachtsman, a few footballers and cricketers and the odd golfer and racing commentator and some cyclists as well as other car drivers, and a boxer and rugby players and assorted odds and sods not least people who sing, dance and act for a living, it’s not that big a deal
For his contribution to motorsport and being the most successful F1 driver of all time Yes I do.
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most successful out of how many though.... id imagine your average welsh league footballer has to be better than more footballers to play at that level than a F1 driver has to be to get a car....
I think there have been around 750 drivers in F1 history and although that doesn't sound a lot it does show how difficult it is to get a Super License to compete in F1. Of those 750 drivers just under 400 raced in 10 or fewer Grand Prix. Any driver that makes the grade has a great deal of scrutiny of their driving ability which removes the "Average Driver" from the "Elite"
There are few drivers who reach above 200 grand prix drives, I think less than 20, Lewis Hamilton has started 265 Grand Prix and has only missed 1 race, Bahrain a few weeks ago, and to be able to do that tells you he really is the the "Elite" of drivers who have competed in this sport. Ability, dedication and commitment has placed him at the top of the F1 tree.
If it was that easy to gain a drive, keep you place in the car more than a couple of % of the all time drivers would have gone above 200 drives.
I think Lewis should make me his agent.![]()
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thats my point mate, its not easy... i think most of the posters on here know how good they are at football, running , darts, snooker etc etc... F1 driving ? i have no idea... how many kids did he have to be better than to progress ? id imagine its marginally more than submarine racing but nowhere near the amount of other sports.