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Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:36 pm

Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:08 pm

Anybody remember the Redwood days. Vulcan singing the anthem.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:06 am

WestCoastBlue wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:Here's a breakdown of some stats I found in about 10 minutes of looking.

Using the most up to date Covid figures this is the breakdown of the total number of cases and deaths between the 4 countries of the UK. The percentage next to population is the percentage share of the total UK population, next to the cases and deaths the percentages shows each countries percentage of the total UK cases and deaths. Red means it's over the population percentage and green means it's under.

England
Population - 56m / 84%
Cases - 1,620k / 85.7%
Deaths - 56,847 / 87.5%
Deaths per million - 1,015.13

Wales
Population - 3.2m / 4.8%
Cases - 103k / 5.4%
Deaths - 2,891 / 4.5%
Deaths per million - 903.44

Scotland
Population - 5.5m / 8.3%
Cases - 108k / 5.7%
Deaths - 4,135 / 6.4%
Deaths per million - 751.82

N. Ireland
Population - 1.9m / 2.9%
Cases - 59k / 3.1%
Deaths - 1,135 / 1.7%
Deaths per million - 597.37

So England's cases and deaths are proportionally higher than their population.
Wales and N.Ireland's cases are proportionally higher than their populations but their deaths are proportionally lower.
Scotland has proportionally lower cases and deaths than their population.
The UK's Deaths per million is 974.6. England is the only country with a DPM that is higher than the UK average

Other comments of note:

- Population Density.
Wales' population is much more condensed than England and there is a strong correlation between Population Density and higher cases/deaths.
35% of Wales' population live in 3 urban areas (cities and suburbs). In England the densest 35% of the population are in 8 urban areas.

- Age Demographic.
Covid is commonly known to affect older populations more than younger and the average deaths are people aged 80.
18.36% of Wales' population are 65+. In England 16.33% of the population are 65+.
5.02% of Wales' population are 80+. In England 4.49% of the population are 80+

Based on density and age demographics Wales should arguably have a higher death rate than England yet our death rate is lower.

Comparing all the above numbers and statistics, The Senedd, Holyrood and Stormont have combatted Covid better than Westminster has.


Simple isn’t it.. London(8M) has a population density 33x that of Wales..combine the large urban areas and its skews the figures again. Also consider influx into the major travel hubs, and larger bame, then the figure is a lot different. NI Govt was suspended for 3 years until Jan 2020, and run by London.

You need to reassess your weightings..


I'm not sure what your point is about the population density of London? Of course a city will have a denser population than an entire country, that's why I specifically didn't compare the population densities of the 2 countries.
Cardiff is 1365x denser than Australia, 565x denser than Russia and 16x denser than England.
If you want to compare cities London's population density is actually only 1.22x greater than Cardiff, 1.47x greater than Newport and 1.56x greater than Swansea.

Cardiff, Swansea and Newport are the 3 largest populated areas in Wales and account for 35% of Wales' population. Comparatively the 8 largest populated area of England account for 35% of England's population.



The N. Irish government may have been suspended for 3 years but from what I understand it has now been re-established and active since Jan 11th 2020, 7 weeks before their first confirmed Covid case and 9 weeks before their first death.

Regardless of N. Ireland, Wales with an arguably denser population and undisputedly older population has fared better than England has.


I am afraid you are missing a very big point when you came to your conclusion. The BAME community makes up 40.2% of the population of London, and therefore has a massive effect to skew figures. The Asian community in England makes up 6.11% of the population compared with 2.94% in Wales. Asians, particularly from Bangladesh are twice as likely to die form COVID, with such a different in ethnicity between the populations, you are going to see a difference. That is not political management but just population demographics. .

The bottom line is that you can bandy about with figures, and make unjustified conclusions all we like, but we can only fully assess how each government has done, ( if that is what you want to do), when the Pandemic is over. Then we will have the complete picture.What you are doing is a bit like calling the result of a game at half time. The figures can easily change over time. You just have to look at recent changes in case rates over the UK. The situation in Wales is unfortunately dire, and getting worse.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:18 am

Nuclearblue wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY


Full sympathy to you for your wife's situation but you're stating this as if no other government has cancelled/delayed treatments which really isn't the case, the whole of the UK (and many other countries) have been cancelling urgent treatments due to covid, and if we were under total control of Westminster no doubt your anger would be exactly the same just directed at Boris.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:19 am

WestCoastBlue wrote:Here's a breakdown of some stats I found in about 10 minutes of looking.

Using the most up to date Covid figures this is the breakdown of the total number of cases and deaths between the 4 countries of the UK. The percentage next to population is the percentage share of the total UK population, next to the cases and deaths the percentages shows each countries percentage of the total UK cases and deaths. Red means it's over the population percentage and green means it's under.

England
Population - 56m / 84%
Cases - 1,620k / 85.7%
Deaths - 56,847 / 87.5%
Deaths per million - 1,015.13

Wales
Population - 3.2m / 4.8%
Cases - 103k / 5.4%
Deaths - 2,891 / 4.5%
Deaths per million - 903.44

Scotland
Population - 5.5m / 8.3%
Cases - 108k / 5.7%
Deaths - 4,135 / 6.4%
Deaths per million - 751.82

N. Ireland
Population - 1.9m / 2.9%
Cases - 59k / 3.1%
Deaths - 1,135 / 1.7%
Deaths per million - 597.37

So England's cases and deaths are proportionally higher than their population.
Wales and N.Ireland's cases are proportionally higher than their populations but their deaths are proportionally lower.
Scotland has proportionally lower cases and deaths than their population.
The UK's Deaths per million is 974.6. England is the only country with a DPM that is higher than the UK average

Other comments of note:

- Population Density.
Wales' population is much more condensed than England and there is a strong correlation between Population Density and higher cases/deaths.
35% of Wales' population live in 3 urban areas (cities and suburbs). In England the densest 35% of the population are in 8 urban areas.

- Age Demographic.
Covid is commonly known to affect older populations more than younger and the average deaths are people aged 80.
18.36% of Wales' population are 65+. In England 16.33% of the population are 65+.
5.02% of Wales' population are 80+. In England 4.49% of the population are 80+

Based on density and age demographics Wales should arguably have a higher death rate than England yet our death rate is lower.

Comparing all the above numbers and statistics, The Senedd, Holyrood and Stormont have combatted Covid better than Westminster has.




your comparing any of our dense areas to London ? plus there are far more than 8 cities in England bigger than ours...

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:48 am

CityBlue93 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY


Full sympathy to you for your wife's situation but you're stating this as if no other government has cancelled/delayed treatments which really isn't the case, the whole of the UK (and many other countries) have been cancelling urgent treatments due to covid, and if we were under total control of Westminster no doubt your anger would be exactly the same just directed at Boris.


You misunderstand what the "Treatment" is and what it involves. For my wife it involved taking two tablets a day and they were collected as with other medications from a pharmacy. Her "Treatment" was stopped because of the potential effect on her immune system. Any appointment with the NHS was nothing more than a monthly blood test at our GP's and a phone call from her consultant to discuss things. At no time was she allowed to make the decision on taking the risk of the tablet or covid. In England the medication has been used throughout the pandemic with the decision taken between patient and doctor, but in Wales we have Drakeford and his cronies running the nanny state well :( . The cancer will take my wife but before her time and to put perspective into that there are women in the world who were part of the clinical trial who are alive over 5 years after starting taking this drug, it's a game changer, but for my wife the rules were changed and not to her benefit.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:16 am

castleblue wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY


Full sympathy to you for your wife's situation but you're stating this as if no other government has cancelled/delayed treatments which really isn't the case, the whole of the UK (and many other countries) have been cancelling urgent treatments due to covid, and if we were under total control of Westminster no doubt your anger would be exactly the same just directed at Boris.


You misunderstand what the "Treatment" is and what it involves. For my wife it involved taking two tablets a day and they were collected as with other medications from a pharmacy. Her "Treatment" was stopped because of the potential effect on her immune system. Any appointment with the NHS was nothing more than a monthly blood test at our GP's and a phone call from her consultant to discuss things. At no time was she allowed to make the decision on taking the risk of the tablet or covid. In England the medication has been used throughout the pandemic with the decision taken between patient and doctor, but in Wales we have Drakeford and his cronies running the nanny state well :( . The cancer will take my wife but before her time and to put perspective into that there are women in the world who were part of the clinical trial who are alive over 5 years after starting taking this drug, it's a game changer, but for my wife the rules were changed and not to her benefit.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

The decision should of been left with your wife to make the decision. But the decision I wouldn’t mind guessing was down to cost and Covid the excuse. Your wife had the right to choose. Covid or Shared from another post and this is spot on!

As I walk into the supermarket with 30 other people at the same time, I think about my bars and restaurants which allows parties of 6 total, and meticulously spaced out reservations by 10 minutes ensuring guests that aren’t from the same party do not arrive at the same time.

As I take a trolley, that has had just the handle sanitized, I think about my bars and restaurants which invested thousands of pounds (so far) on ink and paper to print disposable menus to ensure no two guests touch the same menu.

As I walk over to the produce aisle with 15-20 other people around me, I’m reminded of the strict “no mingling / no walking around the bars and restaurants other than to use the washroom or enter/exit policy we have in place and the 6ft distance between tables which has cut our capacity in half.

As I watch the woman next to me pick up apples with her hand, check them over closely and then put them back on the open pile and repeats this until she finds the perfect apples — the same thing that all other people that day who want an apple will then do and then put those apples into their mouths, I think about the two step sanitation process in place at my bars and restaurants for all cutlery and dishes and glassware in between every single guest, and the sanitation of every surface guests touch (tables, chairs, salt and pepper shakers, etc).

As I watch the man in the next aisle over ignore or not notice the directional arrows on the ground, I think about my bars and restaurants and the constant redirecting our staff does of guests - by locking certain doors, blocking areas off and the work my team does to simply not allow guests to walk where they are not supposed to.

As I walk down the cereal aisle, I see a person with their mask off so they can talk on the phone, and I’m reminded of my bars and restaurants where our masking policy has lost us so much business as we will not allow guests who do not cover their nose mouth and chin while not sitting at their designated seat as per the by-law in place for our region.

As I check out at the cashier, I use my debit card to pay and see the plastic film covering the terminal. It was not sanitized after the person before me used it. I am reminded of the sanitizer used on the debit terminals in between each guest every time at my bars and restaurants.

As I stand at a crowded exit trying to leave, I’m reminded of the detailed contact tracing in place at my bars and restaurants that records the name, phone number, table number, arrival and exit time, as well as the server and section the guest sat in that is in place at my bars and restaurants— not one of those pieces of information was taken from any customer here.

As I get into my car and watch all these people leave the store, I wonder which person will visit my establishment after contracting covid at this supermarket and I wonder why on earth my restaurant will be blamed as the source.

Bars and Restaurants are being targeted as the “source” of Covid infections because we are one of the ONLY industries required to provide contact tracing. Someone with Covid could have gone to ASDA, TESCO, B&Q, RETAIL SHOPS & any other shop/ supermarket etc yet it’s the bars and restaurants that took their detailed information that will be forced to close and deemed responsible for the infection.

You want to blame restaurants for the spread after thousands of pounds investing in equipment, training and stricter policies than ANYWHERE ELSE?!"

#savehospitality cancer ? I know what I would of chosen.
All the best to your wife mate and give her our best wishes

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:57 am

Nuclearblue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY


Full sympathy to you for your wife's situation but you're stating this as if no other government has cancelled/delayed treatments which really isn't the case, the whole of the UK (and many other countries) have been cancelling urgent treatments due to covid, and if we were under total control of Westminster no doubt your anger would be exactly the same just directed at Boris.


You misunderstand what the "Treatment" is and what it involves. For my wife it involved taking two tablets a day and they were collected as with other medications from a pharmacy. Her "Treatment" was stopped because of the potential effect on her immune system. Any appointment with the NHS was nothing more than a monthly blood test at our GP's and a phone call from her consultant to discuss things. At no time was she allowed to make the decision on taking the risk of the tablet or covid. In England the medication has been used throughout the pandemic with the decision taken between patient and doctor, but in Wales we have Drakeford and his cronies running the nanny state well :( . The cancer will take my wife but before her time and to put perspective into that there are women in the world who were part of the clinical trial who are alive over 5 years after starting taking this drug, it's a game changer, but for my wife the rules were changed and not to her benefit.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

The decision should of been left with your wife to make the decision. But the decision I wouldn’t mind guessing was down to cost and Covid the excuse. Your wife had the right to choose. Covid or Shared from another post and this is spot on!

As I walk into the supermarket with 30 other people at the same time, I think about my bars and restaurants which allows parties of 6 total, and meticulously spaced out reservations by 10 minutes ensuring guests that aren’t from the same party do not arrive at the same time.

As I take a trolley, that has had just the handle sanitized, I think about my bars and restaurants which invested thousands of pounds (so far) on ink and paper to print disposable menus to ensure no two guests touch the same menu.

As I walk over to the produce aisle with 15-20 other people around me, I’m reminded of the strict “no mingling / no walking around the bars and restaurants other than to use the washroom or enter/exit policy we have in place and the 6ft distance between tables which has cut our capacity in half.

As I watch the woman next to me pick up apples with her hand, check them over closely and then put them back on the open pile and repeats this until she finds the perfect apples — the same thing that all other people that day who want an apple will then do and then put those apples into their mouths, I think about the two step sanitation process in place at my bars and restaurants for all cutlery and dishes and glassware in between every single guest, and the sanitation of every surface guests touch (tables, chairs, salt and pepper shakers, etc).

As I watch the man in the next aisle over ignore or not notice the directional arrows on the ground, I think about my bars and restaurants and the constant redirecting our staff does of guests - by locking certain doors, blocking areas off and the work my team does to simply not allow guests to walk where they are not supposed to.

As I walk down the cereal aisle, I see a person with their mask off so they can talk on the phone, and I’m reminded of my bars and restaurants where our masking policy has lost us so much business as we will not allow guests who do not cover their nose mouth and chin while not sitting at their designated seat as per the by-law in place for our region.

As I check out at the cashier, I use my debit card to pay and see the plastic film covering the terminal. It was not sanitized after the person before me used it. I am reminded of the sanitizer used on the debit terminals in between each guest every time at my bars and restaurants.

As I stand at a crowded exit trying to leave, I’m reminded of the detailed contact tracing in place at my bars and restaurants that records the name, phone number, table number, arrival and exit time, as well as the server and section the guest sat in that is in place at my bars and restaurants— not one of those pieces of information was taken from any customer here.

As I get into my car and watch all these people leave the store, I wonder which person will visit my establishment after contracting covid at this supermarket and I wonder why on earth my restaurant will be blamed as the source.

Bars and Restaurants are being targeted as the “source” of Covid infections because we are one of the ONLY industries required to provide contact tracing. Someone with Covid could have gone to ASDA, TESCO, B&Q, RETAIL SHOPS & any other shop/ supermarket etc yet it’s the bars and restaurants that took their detailed information that will be forced to close and deemed responsible for the infection.

You want to blame restaurants for the spread after thousands of pounds investing in equipment, training and stricter policies than ANYWHERE ELSE?!"

#savehospitality cancer ? I know what I would of chosen.
All the best to your wife mate and give her our best wishes


£3k a month Nukes so your probably right.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:38 am

The welsh government are no friends of the average welsh working class,they don't give a shit about you,
they are arrogant out of touch career politicians who are working against most familes concerns,
they want children/prisoners and foreign nationals to vote because they know the working class now see
through the labour.plaid cymru alliance. just like the snp maniacs
I know these people quite well you would not believe what these people think of your views on anything.

Close the seneddd convert building to a shelter for the homeless.

wake up and smell the coffee.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:08 pm

castleblue wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
CityBlue93 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
Sven wrote:
castleblue wrote:Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

Gents you both have my respect. I have known Sven ( Chris) for some years and we have both spoken about our wives but unfortunately we haven’t seen each other for some time and we will have to put that right.
For the Welsh Assembly to threaten to stop treatment of Cancer and other illnesses is abhorrent. Dickford obviously knows jack shit about cancer or MS how dare he. He is destroying Wales and believe me to the others I have no love for Boris or either labour or Tory they don’t represent the likes of you and me.
Gary I hope all ends up well with your wife and I feel your frustration mate.
ABOLISH THE WELSH ASSEMBLY


Full sympathy to you for your wife's situation but you're stating this as if no other government has cancelled/delayed treatments which really isn't the case, the whole of the UK (and many other countries) have been cancelling urgent treatments due to covid, and if we were under total control of Westminster no doubt your anger would be exactly the same just directed at Boris.


You misunderstand what the "Treatment" is and what it involves. For my wife it involved taking two tablets a day and they were collected as with other medications from a pharmacy. Her "Treatment" was stopped because of the potential effect on her immune system. Any appointment with the NHS was nothing more than a monthly blood test at our GP's and a phone call from her consultant to discuss things. At no time was she allowed to make the decision on taking the risk of the tablet or covid. In England the medication has been used throughout the pandemic with the decision taken between patient and doctor, but in Wales we have Drakeford and his cronies running the nanny state well :( . The cancer will take my wife but before her time and to put perspective into that there are women in the world who were part of the clinical trial who are alive over 5 years after starting taking this drug, it's a game changer, but for my wife the rules were changed and not to her benefit.

:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

The decision should of been left with your wife to make the decision. But the decision I wouldn’t mind guessing was down to cost and Covid the excuse. Your wife had the right to choose. Covid or Shared from another post and this is spot on!

As I walk into the supermarket with 30 other people at the same time, I think about my bars and restaurants which allows parties of 6 total, and meticulously spaced out reservations by 10 minutes ensuring guests that aren’t from the same party do not arrive at the same time.

As I take a trolley, that has had just the handle sanitized, I think about my bars and restaurants which invested thousands of pounds (so far) on ink and paper to print disposable menus to ensure no two guests touch the same menu.

As I walk over to the produce aisle with 15-20 other people around me, I’m reminded of the strict “no mingling / no walking around the bars and restaurants other than to use the washroom or enter/exit policy we have in place and the 6ft distance between tables which has cut our capacity in half.

As I watch the woman next to me pick up apples with her hand, check them over closely and then put them back on the open pile and repeats this until she finds the perfect apples — the same thing that all other people that day who want an apple will then do and then put those apples into their mouths, I think about the two step sanitation process in place at my bars and restaurants for all cutlery and dishes and glassware in between every single guest, and the sanitation of every surface guests touch (tables, chairs, salt and pepper shakers, etc).

As I watch the man in the next aisle over ignore or not notice the directional arrows on the ground, I think about my bars and restaurants and the constant redirecting our staff does of guests - by locking certain doors, blocking areas off and the work my team does to simply not allow guests to walk where they are not supposed to.

As I walk down the cereal aisle, I see a person with their mask off so they can talk on the phone, and I’m reminded of my bars and restaurants where our masking policy has lost us so much business as we will not allow guests who do not cover their nose mouth and chin while not sitting at their designated seat as per the by-law in place for our region.

As I check out at the cashier, I use my debit card to pay and see the plastic film covering the terminal. It was not sanitized after the person before me used it. I am reminded of the sanitizer used on the debit terminals in between each guest every time at my bars and restaurants.

As I stand at a crowded exit trying to leave, I’m reminded of the detailed contact tracing in place at my bars and restaurants that records the name, phone number, table number, arrival and exit time, as well as the server and section the guest sat in that is in place at my bars and restaurants— not one of those pieces of information was taken from any customer here.

As I get into my car and watch all these people leave the store, I wonder which person will visit my establishment after contracting covid at this supermarket and I wonder why on earth my restaurant will be blamed as the source.

Bars and Restaurants are being targeted as the “source” of Covid infections because we are one of the ONLY industries required to provide contact tracing. Someone with Covid could have gone to ASDA, TESCO, B&Q, RETAIL SHOPS & any other shop/ supermarket etc yet it’s the bars and restaurants that took their detailed information that will be forced to close and deemed responsible for the infection.

You want to blame restaurants for the spread after thousands of pounds investing in equipment, training and stricter policies than ANYWHERE ELSE?!"

#savehospitality cancer ? I know what I would of chosen.
All the best to your wife mate and give her our best wishes


£3k a month Nukes so your probably right.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

My wife’s old MS drug was about 40k a year and now the Infusion she is on is at least double or even treble it. But without it she would go down hill very quick.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:22 pm

blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??





Yes the welsh office did an excellent job for Wales and it didn't cost billions to run... wasnt perfect but better than the quango down bay that wants more and more A.Ms to join gravy train! You are very good at labelling and generalizing of people who dont agree with your views on labour or WG? Drakeford is surrounded by people he doesnt even consult ? and best interests at heart you telling us scrapping m4 relief rd as the people of south east Wales at heart? Or his constituents in pembs when he effectively closed district hospital as health secretary? He only cares about himself!!
Guess your in independence camp well can only say cloud cookoo land if think Wales can run independently from Westminster... just to run Wales from bay is £50billion + better enlighten us all how it will he funded ?

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:05 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??





Yes the welsh office did an excellent job for Wales and it didn't cost billions to run... wasnt perfect but better than the quango down bay that wants more and more A.Ms to join gravy train! You are very good at labelling and generalizing of people who dont agree with your views on labour or WG? Drakeford is surrounded by people he doesnt even consult ? and best interests at heart you telling us scrapping m4 relief rd as the people of south east Wales at heart? Or his constituents in pembs when he effectively closed district hospital as health secretary? He only cares about himself!!
Guess your in independence camp well can only say cloud cookoo land if think Wales can run independently from Westminster... just to run Wales from bay is £50billion + better enlighten us all how it will he funded ?


I certainly dont want independence, quite happy with the way it is.

https://nation.cymru/opinion/no-our-sen ... e-bargain/

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:31 pm

welshrarebit wrote:Ok. This line of being amazed Welsh people want to side with England is driving me up the wall and utterly false.
We are British. For a good couple centuries we have been British. Westminster is the parliament of these isles and has been for a long time!

We aren’t “siding with England “ and the attempts to sew
Division between our countrymen and ourselves is appalling.

Not liking the Welsh assembly as an organisation is just that. Not liking the Welsh assembly. We can have many reasons for that. Wishing we were English is not one of them.

We already have representatives in the form of our mp’s so we don’t have nothings


we are british !!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's out strength wales has f**k all its a third world country without london

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:36 pm

moonboots wrote:I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.


Your such a fool its funny we are all british this wales on its own fantasy is pathetic you know nothing on how britains wealth is created , wales is a basket case of local government , this is not a wealth industry,
just like the snp in Scotland you live in cloud cuckoo land.

city of London drives the economy you might not like that fact but it is a fact.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:42 pm

blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??



they were born welsh so they love us ?????????????????? LOL so naive

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:40 pm

robjohn wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??



they were born welsh so they love us ?????????????????? LOL so naive



Not sure why he's so angry at people on here just because they dont share his nationalistic views on Wales or they dont have a love in for drakeford? Personally cannot stand the smarmy git... screwed his own people here in pembs and love to hit him with a wet "EU" kipper for the slow condescending way he speaks! :old:

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:48 pm

Drakeford has never stood to be elected as leader of Wales. He was elected Labour leader afgter they won and the proceeded to publicly backtrack on some major labour manifesto pledges namely the M4 relief road.

He also has not allowed any debate or senedd votes on some major Covid policies and laws.

He should put his money where his mouth is and let us the electorate judge him.

How do you know the tories would be worse? They have never had the chance to try. We cant have the conservatives because , .,.. Mrs Thatcher was mean! She is dead. Get over it. All our politicians are crap. But a one party state wields a dangerous amount of power which goes unchecked.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:19 pm

blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??



its something ? well an M4 relief road that would improve our economy would be something better and we would have had one with westminster....

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:26 pm

welshrarebit wrote:
How do you know the tories would be worse? They have never had the chance to try. We cant have the conservatives because , .,.. Mrs Thatcher was mean! She is dead. Get over it. All our politicians are crap. But a one party state wields a dangerous amount of power which goes unchecked.

For the first time ever unicef are feeding people in the UK.
At the end of 2019 (to avoid any corona blame) since the tories came into power:
800,000 more children in poverty
Food Bank use up 2400%
Homlessness up 1000%
Rough sleeping up 1200%
20,000 fewer police officers
10,000 fewer fire fighters
Decrease to life expectancy
Suicides up 18% in 2018 alone.

I think its easy to see that they'd be worse.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:32 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
How do you know the tories would be worse? They have never had the chance to try. We cant have the conservatives because , .,.. Mrs Thatcher was mean! She is dead. Get over it. All our politicians are crap. But a one party state wields a dangerous amount of power which goes unchecked.

For the first time ever unicef are feeding people in the UK.
At the end of 2019 (to avoid any corona blame) since the tories came into power:
800,000 more children in poverty
Food Bank use up 2400%
Homlessness up 1000%
Rough sleeping up 1200%
20,000 fewer police officers
10,000 fewer fire fighters
Decrease to life expectancy
Suicides up 18% in 2018 alone.

I think its easy to see that they'd be worse.


Cmon mate. You know that’s all the fault of the last labour government.... :happy1:

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:17 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
How do you know the tories would be worse? They have never had the chance to try. We cant have the conservatives because , .,.. Mrs Thatcher was mean! She is dead. Get over it. All our politicians are crap. But a one party state wields a dangerous amount of power which goes unchecked.

For the first time ever unicef are feeding people in the UK.
At the end of 2019 (to avoid any corona blame) since the tories came into power:
800,000 more children in poverty
Food Bank use up 2400%
Homlessness up 1000%
Rough sleeping up 1200%
20,000 fewer police officers
10,000 fewer fire fighters
Decrease to life expectancy
Suicides up 18% in 2018 alone.

I think its easy to see that they'd be worse.


Cmon mate. You know that’s all the fault of the last labour government.... :happy1:



Got to give him 9 out 10 for digging up useless stats why bother though? And Never known anyone who knows so much about things that have not happened ? No deal hasn't happened yet knows what will happen if it does happen... now knows how conservative will do even though haven't been in charge at WG at all! Everything is based on stats that can be argued against but thats a complete waste of time as he wont accept anything bad that is said about labour.. :o

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:17 pm

There are some very moving posts here more power to you who face the evils of cancer and the impact on your families. As a Covid victim it is nasty however it is not breast/colon/pancreatic cancer period. I am 60 me and the wife have had a rough three weeks so what ??? Yes this nasty virus will kill however I really feel for those who have missed cancer tests. The Welsh Assembly is a joke with no mandate filled with third rate ass licking zeroes look at the leader a cringeworthy clown a failure but he went to all the meetings and said the right thinks a Corbyn fan..need I say more. It is an national embarrassment I have lived away and I can visualize outsiders looking at this moron and ticking every box as to what the half wit Welsh are.Coupled with this is the economic disaster that is happening and to follow. Sorry to be so negative but this shower so be swept into the gutter where they belong.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:21 pm

skidemin wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??



its something ? well an M4 relief road that would improve our economy would be something better and we would have had one with westminster....



Drakeford suffers from tunnel vision cannot see anything behond what he sees is right... like the m4 he said Iwe are not building it and that's final even though commission said should be built and spent 124m to prove it should

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:48 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
How do you know the tories would be worse? They have never had the chance to try. We cant have the conservatives because , .,.. Mrs Thatcher was mean! She is dead. Get over it. All our politicians are crap. But a one party state wields a dangerous amount of power which goes unchecked.

For the first time ever unicef are feeding people in the UK.
At the end of 2019 (to avoid any corona blame) since the tories came into power:
800,000 more children in poverty
Food Bank use up 2400%
Homlessness up 1000%
Rough sleeping up 1200%
20,000 fewer police officers
10,000 fewer fire fighters
Decrease to life expectancy
Suicides up 18% in 2018 alone.

I think its easy to see that they'd be worse.


Cmon mate. You know that’s all the fault of the last labour government.... :happy1:



Got to give him 9 out 10 for digging up useless stats why bother though? And Never known anyone who knows so much about things that have not happened ? No deal hasn't happened yet knows what will happen if it does happen... now knows how conservative will do even though haven't been in charge at WG at all! Everything is based on stats that can be argued against but thats a complete waste of time as he wont accept anything bad that is said about labour.. :o

Surprised you think that homelessness, suicide, and child poverty are 'useless'.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:13 pm

blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??



abolish the Welsh Assembly

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:16 pm

Check out Liam Byrne Josh.. he once wrote a very clever note. Celebrated heartily by the cretinous left at the time, and not that long ago. You may even be able to see a connection somewhere relating to your figures. Then again, probably not.

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:35 pm

skidemin wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??


abolish the Welsh Assembly

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

abolish the Welsh Assembly AND BE RULED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY.WHAT A BUNCH OF QUISLINGS

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:47 pm

Most of those stats relate to wales issues which Labour have majority control over being the incumbent party in the senedd. We would not be “ruled” by a foreign country. We are British. We have MPs that represent our constituencies. Calling anyone quislings for disagreeing with you is fuelling animosity and division. It will not build you the bridges you will need

Re: Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:50 pm

stickywicket wrote:
skidemin wrote:
blue lagoon wrote:Listen to yourselves on here. Are you saying that a minister for Wales like John Redwood (vulcan) instead of Drakeford/other and was based in SW19 London basement room cupboard,that was doing a job in government that no one wants.Is better than a dedicated Welsh assy elected LEADER in wales.

At the very least Drakeford is surely SURRONDED by Welsh people with our better interests at heart?

Total boll.. and just highlights the generalisation and populist shit spouted on this platform. Assy might be shite but we would be deeper in shite if these Tory bas..... had their way.

At least Wales at the very least has got a political platform and voice now. It's something ffs!!

Perhaps I'll make a generalization and say perhaps a lot of spouters on here haven't even voted down the years.??


abolish the Welsh Assembly

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

abolish the Welsh Assembly AND BE RULED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY.WHAT A BUNCH OF QUISLINGS




no doubt you think your pure welsh and can trace your heritage back to the dragon itself.....cuckooland if you do mate...

and youve been so level this last week or so..it had actually crossed my mind that you had received the vaccine and sense might be a side effect ... but it wasnt to be ,back to being yourself.. :(