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Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:46 am

Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:57 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:33 pm

Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:

Wrong. It was an oven ready deal and when talking about it he mentions things which can only happen in trade deals. Where's the deal part of withdrawal agreement? He didn't say oven ready withdrawal agreement did he?

You do realise we will have to negotiate a deal at some stage? I'm sure negotiating from a much worse position will be a lot better than negotiating now.

'It's not a problem' Do you want to have a quick check on border preparations for 2 weeks time. Completely and utterly unprepared.

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:48 pm

If someone who is pro No Deal and not just pro Leave can give an opinion on this. If No Deal is so good and the best outcome for the UK and it's actually the EU that are trying to make a deal with us why have we extended the deadline several times? Why didn't we leave 2 years after the vote not 4 and a half years? Why have the 2 PM's since the vote talked and debated and tried to sort out a deal with the EU?

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:06 pm

Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:




EU are just as worried about no deal as uk politicians this us not a one way street that only effects uk yes may have 3k lorries in Dover but they will not all be 3k uk lorries and same will apply in Calais and rest Europe.... way some on here talk uk will just sit back and let EU lorries get on ferry but stop UK ones doing the same? Anyone who have read what EU want can see EU does not want uk to leave by their insistence on uk still giving up fishing rights... have same trading rules as EU so that uk won't be able to set own tariffs or not as case may be so making trading better for uk companies than EU ones? Yes life be hard deal or no deal but we will come out otherside better off not being puppets to federal state of Europe.

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:16 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:

Wrong. It was an oven ready deal and when talking about it he mentions things which can only happen in trade deals. Where's the deal part of withdrawal agreement? He didn't say oven ready withdrawal agreement did he?

You do realise we will have to negotiate a deal at some stage? I'm sure negotiating from a much worse position will be a lot better than negotiating now.

'It's not a problem' Do you want to have a quick check on border preparations for 2 weeks time. Completely and utterly unprepared.



Europe is bending, it looks like Ursula will give us a deal, they don't want a no-deal, they just want to tie us into a remain type deal where they can dictate what we do, Boris stood firm and is winning the final battle :thumbup:

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:43 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.

Fair enough part of the reason I voted leave was ideological (sovereignty)but I also believe tying ourselves to the slowest growing economic block in the World was just plain stupid. Every trade deal the EU are involved in is torturously slow, ones taken 20 years. Tell me what do you think of the position lifetime critic of the Bankers EU,Corbyn took on Brexit.

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:37 pm

Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:

Wrong. It was an oven ready deal and when talking about it he mentions things which can only happen in trade deals. Where's the deal part of withdrawal agreement? He didn't say oven ready withdrawal agreement did he?

You do realise we will have to negotiate a deal at some stage? I'm sure negotiating from a much worse position will be a lot better than negotiating now.

'It's not a problem' Do you want to have a quick check on border preparations for 2 weeks time. Completely and utterly unprepared.



Europe is bending, it looks like Ursula will give us a deal, they don't want a no-deal, they just want to tie us into a remain type deal where they can dictate what we do, Boris stood firm and is winning the final battle :thumbup:

Ursula/EU bending or Boris desperate for a'good news' day, whatever that is? :cry:

You certainly don't know, as many MP's are raising the same question...

The coming days will tell but the likelihood is that some middle ground has been found and a pathway for each side to 'claim' it has done/given more than the other

Sadly, this chapter in history will be judged some way down the line and by then it will be too late to change

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:09 pm

Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.

Fair enough part of the reason I voted leave was ideological (sovereignty)but I also believe tying ourselves to the slowest growing economic block in the World was just plain stupid. Every trade deal the EU are involved in is torturously slow, ones taken 20 years. Tell me what do you think of the position lifetime critic of the Bankers EU,Corbyn took on Brexit.

I suppose my answer to that question will be much the same as if I ask your opinion on johnson saying he's a fan of the EU and his pro remain article.

If you went back and actually looked at it though corbyn did say to vote for article 50 and one against the single market. It does look like he was against no deal/ mays awful deal and at most was pro second referendum (which the leave campaign did say they wanted pre first ref).

In the end though it is a moot point as he isn't leader anymore and was never in charge of negotiating brexit.

Re: BrExit - Remember this subject?

Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:38 pm

Sven wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ion wrote:If the lefties hadn't tried to over turn the democratic vote brexit would have been all done and dusted by now ,instead it was dragged out way longer than it should have ,the EU thought they had us over a barrel cos Westminster was split ,if those MPs who tried to stop brexit respected the democratic vote and showed the EU we were all together it would all been over ages ago.

When were the 'lefties' in charge?
The beginning... No
Middle... No
Now... No

The conservatives have been in charge the entire time and have had a year with an overwhelming majority full of brexiteers to do their 'oven ready trade deal' and they are still f*cking it up.

Its the tories and brexiteers fault and no one else's. This is your 'victory' own it.


‘Own it’ Dear Lord. You need to grow up Josh, you’re making Rumpelstiltskin look good..

It all started with Blair, although you could argue he was a Tory.. the lefties in charge were the EU, but hopefully no more. Tony Blair was Chief Brexiteer.. the Labour Party in all their puritanical stupidity started the ball rolling.
Now cmon mate.. that is amusing

What's rumplestitskin got to do with anything? Are you having a breakdown?

I guarantee that no matter what you and the rest of the brexiteers on here will never blame the tories, brexiteers, or the leave campaign for anything. The people who 'won' and are in charge.

This must be the only 'victory' that the winners don't want to take any credit for or responsibility.

Many ordinary working class people (the people Labour used to stand up for but now despise) voted to leave.
I voted leave and Tory in last two elections but I blame Cameron, May and the rest of the Tory remainers for many of the problems we’ve had to overcome.
Unlike you I don’t have a particular political ideology so I vote pragmatically you on the other hand wrap yourself up in extreme Leftwing dogma, which coupled with your comical hatred of The Evil Tories blinds you to reality. Your man Corbyn, a long time critic of the EU, stated that theyd smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU. Then he refused to back Leave. Do you agree (Bwhahahaha as if) Corbyn hindered the process and strengthened the EUs hand. Or what about the Lib Dems trying to overturn democracy. Naw it’s all the evil Tories fault.

Last year the tories got a huge majority after purging their any 'remainers'. It's been a year with the ability to pass their oven ready deal through with no worries and they still haven't.

No corbyn, no tory remainers, and fewer seats for the lib dems yet no closer to a deal. Does that not show that perhaps they weren't the biggest problem.
There's one constant throughout all this and it's the tories are in charge. Is that not the reality of the situation?


BTW you do have a political ideology-- brexit.


It was an oven-ready withdrawal agreement, which was done!

You can't make a deal with someone who doesn't want you to leave, you have to say sorry it's over and I'm off which is exactly what Boris has done.

Gina Miller, Dominic Grieve, CCFCJosh75, get over it, we will leave without a deal it's not a problem :thumbup: :wave:

Wrong. It was an oven ready deal and when talking about it he mentions things which can only happen in trade deals. Where's the deal part of withdrawal agreement? He didn't say oven ready withdrawal agreement did he?

You do realise we will have to negotiate a deal at some stage? I'm sure negotiating from a much worse position will be a lot better than negotiating now.

'It's not a problem' Do you want to have a quick check on border preparations for 2 weeks time. Completely and utterly unprepared.



Europe is bending, it looks like Ursula will give us a deal, they don't want a no-deal, they just want to tie us into a remain type deal where they can dictate what we do, Boris stood firm and is winning the final battle :thumbup:

Ursula/EU bending or Boris desperate for a'good news' day, whatever that is? :cry:

You certainly don't know, as many MP's are raising the same question...

The coming days will tell but the likelihood is that some middle ground has been found and a pathway for each side to 'claim' it has done/given more than the other

Sadly, this chapter in history will be judged some way down the line and by then it will be too late to change



will it ever be judged ? was going in initially good or bad ? the result will never ever be accepted by some.. and if life improves they will say not as much as it would have had we remained... likewise leavers will say if there is a downturn....would be worse had we remained... will go on forever or at least until the EU collapses ..