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Turkey has ruled out using same vaccine,and are going for the chinese one,says the Pfizer one hadnt met their criteria.
Whilst concerns were raised around the russian sputnik v one also,as this has been rolled out,without proper testing? Its a murky world at times,and someone is going to get handsomely rewarded financially from this too!! For me the testing needed to be over aclonger period,to get a much clearer idea of possible dangers to certain people.

Turkey has ruled out using same vaccine,and are going for the chinese one,says the Pfizer one hadnt met their criteria.
Whilst concerns were raised around the russian sputnik v one also,as this has been rolled out,without proper testing? Its a murky world at times,and someone is going to get handsomely rewarded financially from this too!! For me the testing needed to be over a longer period,to get a much clearer idea of possible dangers to certain people.

Turkey has ruled out using same vaccine,and are going for the chinese one,says the Pfizer one hadnt met their criteria.
Whilst concerns were raised around the russian sputnik v one also,as this has been rolled out,without proper testing? Its a murky world at times,and someone is going to get handsomely rewarded financially from this too!! For me the testing needed to be over aclonger period,to get a much clearer idea of possible dangers to certain people.

indeed but no doubt youll have someone reel off the party line without addressing the time issue...

I respect everybody's decision on whether they will or won't take the vaccine. I was just trying to point out that "all that glistens is not gold".

My main gripe is the lack of reporting on possible negatives, to me that is not giving us the full picture.

I respect everybody's decision on whether they will or won't take the vaccine. I was just trying to point out that "all that glistens is not gold".

My main gripe is the lack of reporting on possible negatives, to me that is not giving us the full picture.

much the same here...you would think everyone would want our government and media to be 100% open and honest and then make their own informed choice....

I respect everybody's decision on whether they will or won't take the vaccine. I was just trying to point out that "all that glistens is not gold".

My main gripe is the lack of reporting on possible negatives, to me that is not giving us the full picture.

much the same here...you would think everyone would want our government and media to be 100% open and honest and then make their own informed choice....

A government being 100% open and honest ,no offence but I'm 58,and have yet to see one that's half that!! Them two words don't don't exist!
And the media?? Where shall we start

I respect everybody's decision on whether they will or won't take the vaccine. I was just trying to point out that "all that glistens is not gold".

My main gripe is the lack of reporting on possible negatives, to me that is not giving us the full picture.

much the same here...you would think everyone would want our government and media to be 100% open and honest and then make their own informed choice....

A government being 100% open and honest ,no offence but I'm 58,and have yet to see one that's half that!! Them two words don't don't exist!
And the media?? Where shall we start

your correct..but over something like covid and vaccines ?

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

This statement and the subsequent use of Thalidomide as an example is why you shouldn't pay regard to 90% of opinions on forums such as this and social media etc. THALIDOMIDE was not a vaccine. It was a drug to help women with morning sickness. So stop comparing Apples with Oranges

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

This statement and the subsequent use of Thalidomide as an example is why you shouldn't pay regard to 90% of opinions on forums such as this and social media etc. THALIDOMIDE was not a vaccine. It was a drug to help women with morning sickness. So stop comparing Apples with Oranges

True Thalidomide was not a vaccine. But it was a medical intervention the same as the Pfizer vaccine. Both were or are chemical or biological substances injected into the body to try and prevent a condition (morning sickness/Covid).

I would say it is a reasonable comparison especially due to the lack of testing on both.

As a sixty year old who has had the virus for two weeks I can tell you I will take the jab no problem. It has been an extremely unpleasant experience. All medicines have reactions buy a packet of aspirins and look at the paper warning that comes with it!

As a sixty year old who has had the virus for two weeks I can tell you I will take the jab no problem. It has been an extremely unpleasant experience. All medicines have reactions buy a packet of aspirins and look at the paper warning that comes with it!

i think thats the point mate.....asprins come with a list of possible known side effects...where as we are finding things out about the vaccine as we go along...

As a sixty year old who has had the virus for two weeks I can tell you I will take the jab no problem. It has been an extremely unpleasant experience. All medicines have reactions buy a packet of aspirins and look at the paper warning that comes with it!

You are indeed correct about the contraindication warning sheets that come with EVERY drug, let alone aspirins. I also understand that not all but certainly a significant number of the contraindications listed on such warning sheets were identified by those contraindications being reported to GPs doctors and consultants etc. by users of those drugs, post authorisation of the drugs.

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

This statement and the subsequent use of Thalidomide as an example is why you shouldn't pay regard to 90% of opinions on forums such as this and social media etc. THALIDOMIDE was not a vaccine. It was a drug to help women with morning sickness. So stop comparing Apples with Oranges

True Thalidomide was not a vaccine. But it was a medical intervention the same as the Pfizer vaccine. Both were or are chemical or biological substances injected into the body to try and prevent a condition (morning sickness/Covid).

I would say it is a reasonable comparison especially due to the lack of testing on both.

Which is the point I was trying to make, there’s a reason there’s a long waiting time for a vaccine to be passed. This feels like it’s been thrown together quickly much like the new regulations that come out every week, I can’t see me taking it no matter how long it’s out, i believe in alternative medicines and ways of living like periods of fasting that have helped me stay fit and healthy for some time

You couldn’t pay me too take it

As a young man in his 20s I can’t see our age group being given it until the end of the roll out as covid doesn’t even effect us

I’ll definitely not be taking it there’s a reason why vaccines take as long as they do too make. Thalidomide springs to mind every time I hear about the vaccine

This statement and the subsequent use of Thalidomide as an example is why you shouldn't pay regard to 90% of opinions on forums such as this and social media etc. THALIDOMIDE was not a vaccine. It was a drug to help women with morning sickness. So stop comparing Apples with Oranges

True Thalidomide was not a vaccine. But it was a medical intervention the same as the Pfizer vaccine. Both were or are chemical or biological substances injected into the body to try and prevent a condition (morning sickness/Covid).

I would say it is a reasonable comparison especially due to the lack of testing on both.

Which is the point I was trying to make, there’s a reason there’s a long waiting time for a vaccine to be passed. This feels like it’s been thrown together quickly much like the new regulations that come out every week, I can’t see me taking it no matter how long it’s out, i believe in alternative medicines and ways of living like periods of fasting that have helped me stay fit and healthy for some time

At the end of the day its about what works for you Moff - freedom of choice.