Well done Millwall

Canton 104:
What would your solution be in eradicating racism in the UK?
Or don't you think it is a problem?

What would you do to highlight the problem to British society?

That's a stadium closed and points deduction.
We had 5 black players in the squad today,
If this happened at the CCS.The black players could walk.
Our club could be in serious trouble.
I would be happy for our stadium to close and a points deduction.
All lives matter but some lives matter more than most.
Don't forgot the black shirts came from the Millwall area.Facists.Traitors in the second world war.

Complete nonsense

Is it.Why should our black players play on after being booed.

All lives matter but some lives matter more than most.

Which is why the death of George Floyd was pushed to every corner of the Earth, yet few very cared or even knew about the death of David Dorn at the hands of #BLM looters just a few days later.

How true you're statement is, although probably for different reasons than you intended.

It is nothing to do with skin colour and all to do with ideology.

Floyd's death could be used for political gain. Dorn, as a republican and ex police officer, couldn't so his death was ignored.

Both were black. Dorn was just the wrong kind of black.

I guess #BlackLivesMatter(ExceptTheBlackLivesThatDontFitInWithOurPoliticalAgena), while being a more accurate description, just doesn't quite have the same ring to it...

All lives matter but some lives matter more than most.

Which is why the death of George Floyd was pushed to every corner of the Earth, yet few very cared or even knew about the death of David Dorn at the hands of #BLM looters just a few days later.

How true you're statement is, although probably for different reasons than you intended.

It is nothing to do with skin colour and all to do with ideology.

Floyd's death could be used for political gain. Dorn, as a republican and ex police officer, couldn't so his death was ignored.

Both were black. Dorn was just the wrong kind of black.

I guess #BlackLivesMatter(ExceptTheBlackLivesThatDontFitInWithOurPoliticalAgena), while being a more accurate description, just doesn't quite have the same ring to it...

Very well put

Canton 104

Obviously you haven't got a comeback?

Your total reply is a laughing emoji

Why are you embarrassing yourself?

You are being given an opportunity to reply

Can't or won't

Canton 104

Obviously you haven't got a comeback?

Your total reply is a laughing emoji

Why are you embarrassing yourself?

You are being given an opportunity to reply

Can't or won't

You’re a joke to me, hence the emoji.

I have no problem with anyone showing support of black people and the discrimination they apparently face . ( i believe they face some in this country but not to the level specified )

The issue i have with it and the main issue here is the slogan " Black live Matter " and the black superiority fist pump used by some of the players.

Black lives matter group are are highly racist black superiority political group. Football needs a new slogan to deal with this and move away from this group. As for the black fist pump that to me massively racist and makes the claim people want equality laughable.

Millwall fans had every right to show there displeasure over a political statement during a football game.

If they took the knee under the slogan like " Equality matters " and banned the fist pump i think everybody would support it and in fact most of the ground would join in.

In fairness Thomas, I get what your saying but they don't need a new slogan, they need to get rid and reconnect properly with Kick it Out.

KIO has done sterling work for decades and is a genuine grass roots organisation that has a positive message and does feat work in local communities and they acheive their work through harmonising not dividing racial groups through football.

With a tiny fraction of the support BLM has had.

Still for the life of me cannot understand how Kick It Out was pushed aside for the divise wolf in sheep's clothing that is BLM?

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

The issue is, booing has no context.

Those hearing it can decide what they think the booing means and it will only be seen as racism.

Quote: "Only be seen as racism..."

Why is that inevitable, then?

Because their going against the trend?

They're Millwall supporters?

Their views don't count in a supposedly 'free speech' society?

Interested in your response, as I am neither for or against BLM and the 'knee'; but I am against the 'arm pump' bit and its historic connotations

Saw this on FB earlier and it makes more sense than picking a side...

With you on this Sven,its the fist pump that is the thing that I am against,and its connotations.

Absolutely understand everything you and Sven are saying.

I am just pointing out how it will be seen especially, as Sven pointed out, who was doing the booing.

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

People have to make a stand against the Woke culture that threatens free speech and Millwall supporters have done just that.

Let's defend free speech by..... Booing people expressing their free speech.

Can’t agree with you!

How many players would take the knee if they had a choice? Most of them are like sheep and go down to avoid problems. Clenching your fist and putting in the air has racist connotations of its own.

West Ham’s crowd reacted in that game.

The FA now need to withdraw going to the knee to avoid further problems which will happen.

Maybe people have just had enough of it being rammed down their throats.

Throwback to when 10,000 racists took on fascists! http://www.cablestreet.uk/

Seems to me taking the knee is to create a high profile symbol to represent the poor treatment of people of colour (in particular the black community) and to try and raise awareness of how badly some innocent members of the black community have been treated by those who are supposed to protect them. For those opposed it only takes 10 seconds at the start of a game. I for one am in support

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

and...what does that have to do with taking the knee in support of BLM before games....?

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem

I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

I will only go on one knee to
My Wife and Family and if I met the Queen because I have beyond respect for her .

Does that make me wrong ?

NO

Canton 104

Are you capable of discussion ?

If not why do you post on a message board?

It's your post and you seem incapable of discussing your post, except with laughing emojis?

I am not angry with you, in fact all i feel is pity for you.

I hope your life improves for you.

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

OK so for the sake of brevity, let's just take your assertion that the UK is a terrible racist country at face value and agree with yoyr assertion that these protests are nothing to do with the US.

In that case, why replace the British Kick It Out organisation, with the American Black Lives Matter while importing the taking of the knee and the raised fist from American right movements/Black supremacist groups in the first place?

Kick It Out has universal support even in this apparently obviously racist country, BLM is obviously divisive.

Surely we could agree that to best acheive the outcome of reducing racism, the sensible choice would be to end to the BLM association and bring KIO back to prominence?

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem



I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

You must have been at Labour Party HQ thomas..

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem

I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

Genuine question, do you think that was more or likely to have happened last year?

I honestly think back to my days growing up and if anyone had called someone a racist slur, they'd have had a few slaps from everyone around them.

If anything I think all BLM has done is drive a wedge between the races add to that the frustrations of lockdown and its just creating the monster its supposed to fight.

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem



I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

You must have been at Labour Party HQ thomas..

Nope I was watching proffesional football

Seems to me taking the knee is to create a high profile symbol to represent the poor treatment of people of colour (in particular the black community) and to try and raise awareness of how badly some innocent members of the black community have been treated by those who are supposed to protect them. For those opposed it only takes 10 seconds at the start of a game. I for one am in support

no idea why you made your own version up...
its in support of BLM... so no thanks....

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Canton 104

Are you capable of discussion ?

If not why do you post on a message board?

It's your post and you seem incapable of discussing your post, except with laughing emojis?

I am not angry with you, in fact all i feel is pity for you.

I hope your life improves for you.

Stick your pity as I would show you none.

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem

I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

Genuine question, do you think that was more or likely to have happened last year?

I honestly think back to my days growing up and if anyone had called someone a racist slur, they'd have had a few slaps from everyone around them.

If anything I think all BLM has done is drive a wedge between the races add to that the frustrations of lockdown and its just creating the monster its supposed to fight.

Couldn't agree more

In fact before all this Black lives matter stuff started, in my personal life I struggle to remember hearing or seeing any racist remarks or acts. Even on TV it was the odd idiot in a sport ground now and then which proves that what "kick it out" and other racism groups were doing was working . Now all I see is racist comments on social media every day from both black and white people. Black lives matter have made a problem that was in massive decline into a massive problem again and set this country back 30 years.

I 100% know it wouldn't have happened last year

I will only go on one knee to
My Wife and Family and if I met the Queen because I have beyond respect for her .

Does that make me wrong ?

NO

Your totally right

If they questioned any of the Millwall supporters most would say they are coming to the game to watch a match not see political correctness gone mad.

As someone pointed out the KIO agenda has been kicked into touch by a racist group BLM that think they can do as they please.

I’m sorry to say it will happen when we get a crowd. People are so frustrated with it all. The FA need to drop it and focus on KIO or people will just give up going to matches.

Where will some of these players (sheep) end up then! As for Sky if they’re not careful they will lose a lot of punters.

Ok Ealing,

I am not saying this is a problem for the majority of UK citizens but it exists and if it is allowed to fester it will grow.

Out of sight is not out of mind.

We have no right to bury this or racism will grow back to the totally unacceptable level it was 20 years ago but racism still exists at unacceptable levels in our country.

The only way to eradicate racism is to adopt a zero tolerance policy.
We need to keep the fight against racism in the public eye by whatever means possible.
I am not interested in individuals or groups, only in eradicating racism from society by whatever means possible.

Over to you Canton 104

Ok Ealing,

I am not saying this is a problem for the majority of UK citizens but it exists and if it is allowed to fester it will grow.

Out of sight is not out of mind.

We have no right to bury this or racism will grow back to the totally unacceptable level it was 20 years ago but racism still exists at unacceptable levels in our country.

The only way to eradicate racism is to adopt a zero tolerance policy.
We need to keep the fight against racism in the public eye by whatever means possible.
I am not interested in individuals or groups, only in eradicating racism from society by whatever means possible.

Over to you Canton 104

why on earth do you think it will grow when people are better educated and its in decline....
people generally are on side mate...to me all this BLM stuff does is cause division and offence...

I will only go on one knee to
My Wife and Family and if I met the Queen because I have beyond respect for her .

Does that make me wrong ?

NO

I bow to no one.If when I die I find there's a God. I will bow to him. It would mean my 4 year old who died in 85 would be, waiting for me.

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Seems to me taking the knee is to create a high profile symbol to represent the poor treatment of people of colour (in particular the black community) and to try and raise awareness of how badly some innocent members of the black community have been treated by those who are supposed to protect them. For those opposed it only takes 10 seconds at the start of a game. I for one am in support

With the greatest respect mate, this is a big part of the problem it might seem to you one thing and one fairly noble thing at that. But what it might seem and what it is are very separate and that's why its is so divisive.

I'm not having a dig at you here either, but the fact that so many people see this as some noble grass roots fight against racism, without knowing the context is a major reason Millwall will probably take a ton of flack and get called racist scum across the country tonight, but the context is massively important.

The whole BLM thing (of which the taking of the knee with a raised fist is a symbol) has a very murky past, with highly questionable objectives far beyond highlighting inequalities including the overthrow of capitalism and destruction if the nuclear family.(not that Nuclear, although on reflection he's probably on their list by now )

It is an overtly political group, and the taking of the knee with the raised fist is an overtly political statement (although i doubt many of those doing it realise this) and it is masquerading as an equality movement.

BLM was never grass roots, it was never non political, it was never taken over and politicised, it is what it always has been and the fact that it plays on being a force for bringing about racial harmony while in fact creating racial tensions to further a political ideology is why so many react to it.

Like I say not having a go at you mate, but what in this case something seems and what it is are very different things

Why do people see this as an American problem?

George Floyd was a Black American criminal who I have no interest in.

Black Lives Matter are an organisation which I have no interest in.

What I am interested in is highlighting the racist problems we have in this country.

I was in a meeting last year where there were roughly 100 people who were people of colour. Of these 75 percent said that they had been subjected or witnessed racism.
Not banter or taking the piss. They stated racist remarks had been made when they were present which they found offensive.

This is the problem

I myself today witnessed multiple acts of racism which not only went unchallenged but were actively encouraged and it was unbelievably offensive.

Genuine question, do you think that was more or likely to have happened last year?

I honestly think back to my days growing up and if anyone had called someone a racist slur, they'd have had a few slaps from everyone around them.

If anything I think all BLM has done is drive a wedge between the races add to that the frustrations of lockdown and its just creating the monster its supposed to fight.

Couldn't agree more

In fact before all this Black lives matter stuff started, in my personal life I struggle to remember hearing or seeing any racist remarks or acts. Even on TV it was the odd idiot in a sport ground now and then which proves that what "kick it out" and other racism groups were doing was working . Now all I see is racist comments on social media every day from both black and white people. Black lives matter have made a problem that was in massive decline into a massive problem again and set this country back 30 years.

I 100% know it wouldn't have happened last year

your correct mate , all BLM have done is drive a massive wedge...

Ok Ealing,

I am not saying this is a problem for the majority of UK citizens but it exists and if it is allowed to fester it will grow.

Out of sight is not out of mind.

We have no right to bury this or racism will grow back to the totally unacceptable level it was 20 years ago but racism still exists at unacceptable levels in our country.

The only way to eradicate racism is to adopt a zero tolerance policy.
We need to keep the fight against racism in the public eye by whatever means possible.
I am not interested in individuals or groups, only in eradicating racism from society by whatever means possible.

Over to you Canton 104

So can we agree then that we should go back to the Kick It Out campaigns that were effective and get rid of the BLM rehtoric that was divisive.

Have you seen the way KIO approach the exact same problem, it is exactly what how football should be used by supporting and investing in local grass roots level football to bring communities together.

Honestly, have you ever seen a group of fans boo a Kick It Out campaign?