' Isaac Vassell injured yet again '

Post by thomasblue » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:54 am

His body is not up to professional football at the highest level . He needs to retire or drop to amateur where his body will not be tested as much.
As for his career at Cardiff, surely it's over now and should be let go. We've paid him for two years to play about 30mins so in my eyes he's already had his pay off.

If he had any conscience he would give up his contract.

It is not the lad s fault this club bought him and gave him a long contract.... if he had any concience?....... the boy has to live...if he is told he has to give up then he should be insured with the club to be paid off.
This club you say is so well run by Tan is the one at fault allowing Warnock to buy him and giving him a long contract.
Come on Thomas..I agree with a lot you say but not this

Not even Tans fault.Just like Patterson Warnock thought he was worth the risk.

The Manager finds the players, the committee then have to do full background checks and asses whether to say yes and they did knowing Vassell had a terrible history of injuries.

So its like I said after all Warnock is no yes man.

Dreadful signing as his injury risk was well known. However, I do feel sorry for the lad. His career at a top level or maybe even as a professional is finished. We need to negotiate a pay off and move on.

all players injury risks/records are known , its in their medical report for the club medical ..... and all of them have had injuries...
being mystic meg and predicting different new injuries in the future im afraid is beyond medical knowledge , only fans know this... strangely enough ive not once read a post saying so and so will get injured a week saturday predicting the exact injury...
its frustrating.. but it happens at all clubs...

I also feel sorry for the lad but club needs to pay him up and release him.

Would have thought the Club have him insured anyway!

He’s another one that will never get a contract again or a club.

yes , this could well end up with an insurance company , although id imagine the fact that the injuries seem to be something different each time complicates that....
the alternative is as you say a pay off ...im not so sure he or any player would take a percentage pay off while injured though...its a bit different when the player can take a lumper today and sign for another club tomorrow ?

Dreadful signing as his injury risk was well known. However, I do feel sorry for the lad. His career at a top level or maybe even as a professional is finished. We need to negotiate a pay off and move on.

all players injury risks/records are known , its in their medical report for the club medical ..... and all of them have had injuries...
being mystic meg and predicting different new injuries in the future im afraid is beyond medical knowledge , only fans know this... strangely enough ive not once read a post saying so and so will get injured a week saturday predicting the exact injury...
its frustrating.. but it happens at all clubs...

No this is nonsense. Vasell had already developed a reputation as very injury prone before we signed him.You don't need to be mystic Meg to predict a player who is constantly getting injured and missing months at a time will probably keep on getting injured. Several of on here said we should not sign him based on his injury record and we were right. Anyone who thought we should sign him were wrong and quite frankly idiotic and that includes Warnock and the board.

Never thought he was that good anyway his only good spell was in the fourth division. The difference between this and other bad signings was this was obviously a terrible one before we made it. Surprised he managed to last three game for us. He has now managed to get injured whilst injured.

Done a search on his name.

Loving the hindsight but not many criticised it at the time. Any criticism was we needed other players more.

Very little about his injury record.

Done a search on his name.

Loving the hindsight but not many criticised it at the time. Any criticism was we needed other players more.

Very little about his injury record.

Neil,

Could you show me his medical records ?

Have you also not forgotten that just before we signed Vassell he had bed. Out injured for a year.

Dreadful signing as his injury risk was well known. However, I do feel sorry for the lad. His career at a top level or maybe even as a professional is finished. We need to negotiate a pay off and move on.

all players injury risks/records are known , its in their medical report for the club medical ..... and all of them have had injuries...
being mystic meg and predicting different new injuries in the future im afraid is beyond medical knowledge , only fans know this... strangely enough ive not once read a post saying so and so will get injured a week saturday predicting the exact injury...
its frustrating.. but it happens at all clubs...

No this is nonsense. Vasell had already developed a reputation as very injury prone before we signed him.You don't need to be mystic Meg to predict a player who is constantly getting injured and missing months at a time will probably keep on getting injured. Several of on here said we should not sign him based on his injury record and we were right. Anyone who thought we should sign him were wrong and quite frankly idiotic and that includes Warnock and the board.

Never thought he was that good anyway his only good spell was in the fourth division. The difference between this and other bad signings was this was obviously a terrible one before we made it. Surprised he managed to last three game for us. He has now managed to get injured whilst injured.

its not nonsense though... he had 2 serious back to back injuries at Birmingham which he recovered from...most players get injuries and if unfortunate get them back to back and if the criteria is only players with clean injury records sign , we would have 11 fans playing..... prior to those ar brum...he had nothing of note... and certainly not a reputation...6 months injury free, other clubs interested, passed a medical here and has picked up different injuries to those he had previously... sorry but the i knew along is the nonsense...managers, clubs and doctors did not know but half a dozen people on a message board did ...really...
as for how good or rubbish he might have been..its opinion . personally i was underwhelmed but was underwhelmed with NML initially too...

Done a search on his name.

Loving the hindsight but not many criticised it at the time. Any criticism was we needed other players more.

Very little about his injury record.

Neil,

Could you show me his medical records ?

Have you also not forgotten that just before we signed Vassell he had bed. Out injured for a year.

Of course I can’t.

So had Paterson. We did ok out of him.

Im sorry but warnock is to blame for his signing,to blame anyone else is poor form!he reckoned he wanted to sign him years prior,and was chuffed to get him! Yes the "committee " would have sanctioned the deal,but no doubt on the word of warnock,who in their eyes knew what a good player was?? Why people keep blaming others is beyond me,the manager wanted him,and persuaded the committee to go for him.or are some people saying now,that warnock didnt do due diligence on him.

Im sorry but warnock is to blame for his signing,to blame anyone else is poor form!he reckoned he wanted to sign him years prior,and was chuffed to get him! Yes the "committee " would have sanctioned the deal,but no doubt on the word of warnock,who in their eyes knew what a good player was?? Why people keep blaming others is beyond me,the manager wanted him,and persuaded the committee to go for him.or are some people saying now,that warnock didnt do due diligence on him.

Well when we signed Velikonja and Malky said he had been looking at him for a while it still was a Tan signing somehow.

Im sorry but warnock is to blame for his signing,to blame anyone else is poor form!he reckoned he wanted to sign him years prior,and was chuffed to get him! Yes the "committee " would have sanctioned the deal,but no doubt on the word of warnock,who in their eyes knew what a good player was?? Why people keep blaming others is beyond me,the manager wanted him,and persuaded the committee to go for him.or are some people saying now,that warnock didnt do due diligence on him.

due diligence on medicals... ?

Im sorry but warnock is to blame for his signing,to blame anyone else is poor form!he reckoned he wanted to sign him years prior,and was chuffed to get him! Yes the "committee " would have sanctioned the deal,but no doubt on the word of warnock,who in their eyes knew what a good player was?? Why people keep blaming others is beyond me,the manager wanted him,and persuaded the committee to go for him.or are some people saying now,that warnock didnt do due diligence on him.

due diligence on medicals... ?

No his record for them!everyone keeps banging on at the "committee " saying they dont know football etc,etc,so who were they going to trust? The manager that went out on a limb to say how good he is,thats who,years of experience=trust.

How the club even sanctioned a deal to sign this croaked player I'll never know even when we was linked to him i said what a waste of money he will be after playing 4 games a season elsewhere and rest I'm stands. Stats prove hes always injured. Joke of a signing. Unreal

Can you link to that post where you said that?

Not doubting you just be good to see the other posts in that thread.

Just going on memory (admittedly not a reliable source) my recollection is most posters were against buying him. I can't remember if I had a view one way or the other, but when he scored that goal against Luton I remember thinking "at last we might have a bargain on our hands"

What is that saying about jumping to conclusions?

I can back you up on this. I recall many people questioning the wisdom of buying a guy that had been out for a year and a half on and off and had only scored once in something like 26 games, most of which were subs appearances because he couldnt last a full game. Had only ever scored goals a number of goals in League 2 and non league football and we were, remember, a side that had just come down from the Premier League and needed to replace Bobby Reid and Ken.

How the club even sanctioned a deal to sign this croaked player I'll never know even when we was linked to him i said what a waste of money he will be after playing 4 games a season elsewhere and rest I'm stands. Stats prove hes always injured. Joke of a signing. Unreal

Can you link to that post where you said that?

Not doubting you just be good to see the other posts in that thread.

Just going on memory (admittedly not a reliable source) my recollection is most posters were against buying him. I can't remember if I had a view one way or the other, but when he scored that goal against Luton I remember thinking "at last we might have a bargain on our hands"

What is that saying about jumping to conclusions?

I can back you up on this. I recall many people questioning the wisdom of buying a guy that had been out for a year and a half on and off and had only scored once in something like 26 games, most of which were subs appearances because he couldnt last a full game. Had only ever scored goals a number of goals in League 2 and non league football and we were, remember, a side that had just come down from the Premier League and needed to replace Bobby Reid and Ken.

not quite Ken had left and we had already payed 5 mill for a striker... Bobby Reid left on deadline day... Vassell was brought in as a squad player...

Unfortunately dead wood. Business. Off load.

Unfortunately dead wood. Business. Off load.

i think we are stuck with the contract unless doctors can come up with an underlying reason for all these injuries in which case id imagine his career is over and it becomes an insurance issue...

Sad position but in any other job he'd be gone if unable to perform the role.

In the real world you would dismiss him on capability to perform his role. Not sure how football contracts work.

Bit of an overstatement that’s its a ‘massive blow’!
We are not exactly missing anything he gave us as he hasn’t done anything due to injuries and there’s no way he would be a starter....

In the real world you would dismiss him on capability to perform his role. Not sure how football contracts work.

Very true but hes got industrial injury so only way for him to go is retirement through injury (pension) or we pay off his full contract....

Would you employ someone to perform a role when he appears to be at best likely to execute said role less than 100% of the time?

Would you employ someone to perform a role when he appears to be at best likely to execute said role less than 100% of the time?

City did!