POLL: NEIL HARRIS TIME UP AT THE CCS?

I said a few weeks ago that we should give him a bit longer.

Tonight I think enough is enough, and as much as I hate calling for a managers head, we are simply going backwards.

For me I would pull all the stops out and go for Eddie Howe, but I think maybe he is waiting on something bigger ?

Never a great appointment. Done very well last year, but given no chance by the hierarchies demands of him.

i'll be gobsmacked if he is still manager tomorrow morning.

i'll be gobsmacked if he is still manager tomorrow morning.

Same.

I said a few weeks ago that we should give him a bit longer.

Tonight I think enough is enough, and as much as I hate calling for a managers head, we are simply going backwards.

For me I would pull all the stops out and go for Eddie Howe, but I think maybe he is waiting on something bigger ?

I think Howe would take the job.

If he waits to long he might just miss opportunities and may not get back in as a few have found out in the past.

The players look like shadows of their former self.
No confidence and no clue.
Once it's gone to this extent...a manager like Neil Harris cannot get it back.
We saw it happen to OGS, Trollope, Slade and now Harris.
The dynamic feels the same.
Harris has to go.
But, as everyone has said, is there ambition to bring in a manager with the reputation, contacts and experience to make a difference?
Will the board spend the money and make funds available to push this club on?
At the moment they're business men sat on top of a rapidly failing 'business'.
If it were my business, I'd probably be thinking there's no great way forward - invest, sell or hold.
Double down or cut losses and sell?
Sitting tight will see their investment continue to decline and the eventual fire sale price lower?
The board will have to make their decision.

Guys it's not just about the manager, there's also the issue that we lack quality in key areas. The combination of both is killing us. Changing a manager is one thing but the new manager will still be looking at the same squad to choose from.

Time is up for Harris

We need a manager who can start playing attractive attacking football from the start of game

The whole squad needs to be rebuilt we have to many players incapable of passing to teammates,losing possession easily.

The new guy should be told he has 3 years to build a side capable of staying in the Premier.

With no money it will be hard to buy good players ,so a good manager is needed with contacts to loan promising youngsters from the Premier.Adding players as we go to the squad.
If we had a few years in championship rebuilding i am sure fans would back the club if they could see there was a plan.
At the moment we play like a Sunday morning parks side turn up see what happens.

I said a few weeks ago that we should give him a bit longer.

Tonight I think enough is enough, and as much as I hate calling for a managers head, we are simply going backwards.

For me I would pull all the stops out and go for Eddie Howe, but I think maybe he is waiting on something bigger ?

I think Howe would take the job.

If he waits to long he might just miss opportunities and may not get back in as a few have found out in the past.

Howe is waiting for premier league job to come around... hes loaded so doesn't need the money and garauntee job becomes available sooner rather than later... Pearson is the man for this team

In the previous calls for Harris to be sacked I have always thought that in the light of our performances when we finished the remainder of the games for last season that he should be given more time. However I now firmly believe that the sooner he goes the better our chances of avoiding relegation. It looks to me that despite the signings we've made this season we don't look as if there is any spirit in the side and that can only be down to Harris. We look as if we're just going through the motions and Harris doesn't appear to have the ability to get the best out of the players and he looks as if he has lost the dressing room. We keep making mistakes and giving away soft goals yet he keeps picking the same players responsible for the errors. I get the feeling that we are going down the same route when Uncle Fester and Trollope were serving up the same rubbish.

I always try to give the manager my backing but it seems his time is up,what I will say too is I’m pissed off with most of the players too (Morrison Nelson pack ralls Hoilett Murphy Glatzel Bennett Bacuna).
These players are paid a good wage and are totally under performing.
Yes the buck stops with the manager but for fucksakes play the game.
These players let Warnock down last year and Harris this season.

Bit unfair on Glatzel, seeing as he's hardly started a game,and then gets 30 mins to try and do something! As for the rest I agree,Murphy starts while ojo is benched? One good pass from Murphy,gets him the nod?? In Harris’s defence,these were not his players,as you say they let warnock down (or over performed for promotion ) He was wise enough to see,he had wrung every last drop out of most of those players,and left.but agreed,we pay to wear the shirt,they could at least play for it! (Stolen from another poster on separate topic )
It's about time benkovic was given a run,after all,I doubt Leicester are too impressed with him not getting any game time,brig bagan back into the team,put bacuna back in midfield,play pack in the under 23's (he might learn to pass forward there)
I'd play Glatzel and Harris up top too,what's to lose? As two big men up there isn't happening. With Moore on the bench,as an option if we need him.and lastly benkovic would be in place of nelson or Morrison, as neither are playing well.

Not sure?

WOW

At the moment 95% want Harris gone.

I dont think I've ever seen a poll about a manager being so one sided

Normally these things are 50/50 but there is no way whatsoever to defend Harris position after these results and performances

I've voted unsure because I am being charitable maybe. On the one hand, things seemed to be going well when we reached the playoffs and we weren't asking for his head then. On the other, we are now only five points above the relegation zone and we are getting worse, not better - in spite of the 'excellent performances' Harris claims. I'm not sure what has accounted for this change - there are a few candidates - but Harris must be held responsible overall. Maybe he didn't protest enough when he was not backed in the window. Maybe he is too full of stats and lacks the intuition and man management of a Warnock to lift a team whose confidence is declining. Whatever the reason, I would still give him a game or two to see if he can turn it around.

The players are quite obviously not playing for him , no spirit, no smiles on faces.

Whatever happened and something has, he has to go , to see a city side without any spirit and team ethos is disgracefull on the manager and the players.

Surely there wil lbe an announcement this morning.

Time for change everyone is saying but what's going to change bar a few good results after a new man comes in. As he will only have what's left behind by Warnock to work with bar some loans and only one permanent signing in Moore by Harris since he's been at the club so that tells all I need to know what he was brought in for. The next puppet will have the same issue of cost cutting and so on tbh. But we shall see.

It’s very obvious that our players certainly aren’t prepared to run thru brick walls or put their bodies on the line for Harris.

Not one player comes out of this season with any credit so far. Even smithies has gone backwards.

Harris has tried getting the team to play football but they can’t pass well enough to implement this way.

Enough is enough it’s time for a change. Harris has to go the fans have turned ( he’s very lucky the fans aren’t in the ground).

Its really simple for me he rode his luck at the end of last season, but things worked in our favour.

New season, new start. Its not about philosophy, its about maximising the "group" you have. Wanting to play a certain way is great when you have a conveyor belt of players or a sizable chunk of cash. He had neither.

A good manager/head coach would had devised a system style of play based upon the players he had. He hasn't, he has gone to the modern Uefa coaches manual like 100's of freshly qualified ex players do every year. If it was that easy the average salary would be about £100k a year as every Tom,Dick or Harry would be qualifying from Coach school and stroll into a professional club.

Lets go through our core "group"

Bennett - Good all round championship full back, quick knocks in the occasional decent ball but sometime his execution and positioning is shocking
Morrison - One of the best if not the best "stopper" in the division. If he could play he'd be a the next level, but he can't
Nelson - Good athleticism gets him out of trouble. Limited footballing ability and positionally dodgy played most of his career in the bottom two levels.
Tutu- From a good club, no idea how he'll play in the championship

Ralls - If you want an aggressive all rounder, highly mobile but technique is average at best
Pack - Possibly the slowest midfeilder I have seen including Whitts and the last years of Gunnar. Great at holding onto the ball plays simple passes but nothing in the killer category. Career highlight getting to champ playoffs
Bacuna - Quicker than Ralls, equally as aggressive. Open to some of the daftest passes I have seen
Vaulks - A slightly lesser Ralls & Bacuna with a long throw and a good have a go personality

Wilson - A gem of a player, getting better will play most of his career in the premier league
Hoilett - A Good tight control, good cut in shot can't cross and he can't back his pace anymore
Glatzel - The best finisher at the club but hasn't scores since the spring. One of the reason Warnock F'f off. Weak and ineffective
Moore - 6"6' target man, late bloomer not many miles in his legs
Murphy- Just doesn't want to be here
Tomlin - Absolutely unreliable and his track record demonstrate that throughout his career


So from that he decided we are going to play through the thirds in the" right way", with Marvellous Marlon Pack as the kingpin. Even though we don't have the players. The build up will be so slow that the opposition will only give up a goal is they fall asleep watching us labour the ball around the back. Take away Wilson and Tomlin and no one I repeat no one can hit a pass that hurts the opposition, whatever level. But we continue to play that way, all the way to L1.

He chose this path, no one else. He needs to go and go quickly. This "group" are decent if played the right way.

I got to go my eletrian has just knocked the door, I have him in to do a bit of painting as the Harris way is contagious.

I said a few weeks ago that we should give him a bit longer.

Tonight I think enough is enough, and as much as I hate calling for a managers head, we are simply going backwards.

For me I would pull all the stops out and go for Eddie Howe, but I think maybe he is waiting on something bigger ?

I think Howe would take the job.

If he waits to long he might just miss opportunities and may not get back in as a few have found out in the past.

Howe is waiting for premier league job to come around... hes loaded so doesn't need the money and garauntee job becomes available sooner rather than later... Pearson is the man for this team

Spot on !! Howe would be great but nobody in their right mind can see him coming here. Until the end of last season he was being touted as the next manager of Arsenal (before Arteta) and future England manager. People really need to acknowledge he is out of our league.

Pearson or Bellamy are much more realistic.

The players havent become bad players over night.
I believe they are doing what they can, but if Harris cant communicate / demonstrate the style of football and tactics he wants to deploy. Then Harris needs to change his methods.

I dont think that is possible given what is not changing on the pitch. Losing to Coventry city home or away should not be something that is acceptable to anyone given their status and standing in the championship.

If Harris's contract is based on being in a certain part of the league by a certain point in the season - then I can pretty much guess he'll be gone as soon as that becomes a reality. Top 10 by xmas and he's gone.

Eddie Howe then it seems would be ideal.

This group of players are a very talented bunch , you blend your tactics to suit their strengths - not the other way around. Sorry Neil no hard feelings it just didnt work.

Definitely Yes

A clear favourite for the next manager - the cheapest available, as usual People won't like this, but the jacks are a far better footballing team, so are Newport possibly

It’s clearly obvious that he hasn’t got a clue with the recent lineups and players out of position, time to move on

Enough is enough it’s time for a change. Harris has to go the fans have turned ( he’s very lucky the fans aren’t in the ground).

lucky indeed he might even be gone by now

yes...needs to go

How about Gareth Ainsworth ?

No - but not because I'm particularly impressed with the way we're playing we've been abysmal and yesterday was the worst performance I've seen from a City side in years.

But if we are going to be cutting our cloth to reduced incomes and trying to build a pathway through from the youth teams to the first team we simply need consistency. We need to continuity and we haven't had it for years.

Bring in someone like Pulis as a long-term Director of Football to be a mentor for Harris, put foundations across the academy and the first team to evolve a Cardiff style that is consistent across all age ranges, put a proper 5-year development plan in place, and do it while sustaining championship football.

It's what I wish we had done when Bellamy was still at the club, with Warnock being moved up to the DoF role and Bellers taking the first step into management that he will inevitably take at some point with us.

I think if we had a long-term plan in place like that and it was communicated to the fans, and the fans started to see the plans developing with youth coming through the ranks we would be more understanding of a mid-table finish.

The problem is almost that Warnock was too much of a success in his first two seasons and we had the opportunity of a short-cut and expectations were changed accordingly. Now is the time to start thinking on such a long-term vision and with the noises about the transition from youth to first team, it might be that such a plan is in place, I'd like to think so, but that will require continuity we can't achieve it when we keep swapping management and as underwhelming as Harris is doing at the minute, he's the man that got the job and we need to see it out over a longer period of time if we're to get to where we want to be.

Someone to assist him with the first team though is vital as the side is on paper better than the last few years and yet we're seeing woeful performances week in, week out

Just to add to that if we do go for a new manager, whoever is brought in should be brought in with a long-term remit to build more than just a first-team, and that should be communicated to the fans on that appointment - again I'd take Beller's in a heartbeat.

If we do get rid, we really cannot afford to rush the appointment. The season is essentially already a write off barring a miracle, put Sol in charge as interim manager while we get not only the appointment right but also a really solid idea of what we are trying to achieve across the next five years.

Just to add to that if we do go for a new manager, whoever is brought in should be brought in with a long-term remit to build more than just a first-team, and that should be communicated to the fans on that appointment - again I'd take Beller's in a heartbeat.

If we do get rid, we really cannot afford to rush the appointment. The season is essentially already a write off barring a miracle, put Sol in charge as interim manager while we get not only the appointment right but also a really solid idea of what we are trying to achieve across the next five years.

no mate.... the last thing i want is another cringeworthy youngsters/academy /pathways speech from the manager.