Count out Donald at your own peril !!

I thought MSM got all their stories from fb and twitter. Walesonline certainly get all their ccfc news here..

If Donald J Trump can prove this then the Democrats are fucked /done / finished

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I counted him out a few days back, I don't appear to be in any immediate peril though...

If Donald J Trump can prove this then the Democrats are fucked /done / finished

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He'll be telling us next that only one person in the U.S of A voted for Biden.That was Biden himself.
Trump is a draft dodger ,Tax dodger and a sex pest.

If Donald J Trump can prove this then the Democrats are fucked /done / finished

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He'll be telling us next that only one person in the U.S of A voted for Biden.That was Biden himself.
Trump is a draft dodger ,Tax dodger and a sex pest.

many Vietnam vets voted for Biden because
of Trump’s deferments from military service during the Vietnam war, calling him a “coward” and a “lying draft dodger”.

If Donald J Trump can prove this then the Democrats are fucked /done / finished

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He'll be telling us next that only one person in the U.S of A voted for Biden.That was Biden himself.
Trump is a draft dodger ,Tax dodger and a sex pest.

many Vietnam vets voted for Biden because
of Trump’s deferments from military service during the Vietnam war, calling him a “coward” and a “lying draft dodger”.

bit of a no brainer really... vote for the draft dodger...or vote for the other draft dodger....

question... if you were a candidate that had grave concerns about mail in votes.... then receive 2,500,000 votes more than anyone ever has in a presidential election .... but were beaten, by mail in votes.. wouldnt you consider youd been robbed .? im not saying he has been.. but its certainly not beyond reason..

Yes it is truly a mystery that Trump, who has been critical of mail in votes from the start and told his supporters to vote in person... had far less mail in votes than Biden who advised his supporters to use mail in voting.

i dont think anyone other than some bitter people being sarcastic are claiming thats its a mystery how Bidden got more mail in votes. or that its some sort of a mystery...
the issue has more to do with volume rather than Bidden having more mail in votes..
and of course youd be considering you had been robbed under those circumstances...anyone would... proving it.. or it actually being the case are another thing...

The volume of mail-in votes? Mail in votes were always going to be massively increased this year due to COVID mate. More so because Biden is someone who has been encouraging people to use mail in votes more than any presidential candidate (again because of COVID).

yes the volume...i think everyone was aware that there is covid..
i proper dont get what anyone is so afraid of tbh... no fraud Biden wins...

question... if you were a candidate that had grave concerns about mail in votes.... then receive 2,500,000 votes more than anyone ever has in a presidential election .... but were beaten, by mail in votes.. wouldnt you consider youd been robbed .? im not saying he has been.. but its certainly not beyond reason..

Yes it is truly a mystery that Trump, who has been critical of mail in votes from the start and told his supporters to vote in person... had far less mail in votes than Biden who advised his supporters to use mail in voting.

i dont think anyone other than some bitter people being sarcastic are claiming thats its a mystery how Bidden got more mail in votes. or that its some sort of a mystery...
the issue has more to do with volume rather than Bidden having more mail in votes..
and of course youd be considering you had been robbed under those circumstances...anyone would... proving it.. or it actually being the case are another thing...

The volume of mail-in votes? Mail in votes were always going to be massively increased this year due to COVID mate. More so because Biden is someone who has been encouraging people to use mail in votes more than any presidential candidate (again because of COVID).

Correct, which is why Trump saw the opportunity to undermine the confidence in postal voting. The Republicans feared a high turnout as all the polls showed that the higher the turnout the more likely a Trump defeat because of the voting demographic.

It's not rocket science to work out what Trump was trying to do yet some people don't want to see it. Surely anyone interested in real democracy would want the highest turnout possible no matter what method (as long as it's legal).

its not rocket science.......followed by a view thats bias... im sure those that voted trump think its not rocket science ...followed by their bias views.... truth is he is only going to find evidence of fraud if evidence of fraud exists... if there is none he loses and will probably have done himself far more harm than good...... democracy wins either way ?

Even Trump is being Facebook fact checked every post the President of the USA.
https://davidharrisjr.com/eric/presiden ... dzclavK5eo

Even Trump is being Facebook fact checked every post the President of the USA.
https://davidharrisjr.com/eric/presiden ... dzclavK5eo

Do you believe in Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy as well?

Donald Trump himself seems to have accepted the election result tonight.

Thoughts with the OP at this difficult time.

Donald Trump himself seems to have accepted the election result tonight.

Thoughts with the OP at this difficult time.

Someone’s been watching the main stream media again. Heard it on the BBC I guess.

If this is true then be worried Ned

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If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

Well court cases pending of fraud on a massive scale. We will see is all I’m saying. And reports saying Trump is hinting at conceding the election tonight ? What total bullshit. He hasn’t said anything of the like

If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

Well court cases pending of fraud on a massive scale. We will see is all I’m saying. And reports saying Trump is hinting at conceding the election tonight ? What total bullshit. He hasn’t said anything of the like

This claim about election fraud is disputed

Donald Trump himself seems to have accepted the election result tonight.

Thoughts with the OP at this difficult time.

Someone’s been watching the main stream media again. Heard it on the BBC I guess.

Actually, I watched his news conference this evening on a stream which didn't come from any of the MSM so I could avoid their commentary on it and make my own judgement - as I always do.

His wording, to me, suggested that he was moving closer to accepting the result of the election. I doubt he will publicly admit that for a while though.

As for the link you have posted by DJHJ Media..

IF that is true and proven, then President Trump should remain in the White House - that much is obvious. My view is that is a big IF though.


All this needs to be proven and we will see what happens in the coming weeks and months.


One thing I will say is that if Biden becomes President in January, then he will not win in 2024. If he decides not to stand in the next election, then whoever the candidate for the Democrats is won't win.

I don't agree with his politics one bit, you know that, but the bottom line is more than 70 million Americans voted for Donald Trump in this election - more than voted for him in 2016. They are not going anywhere and whatever Biden does, he is not going to win the support of them over the next four years (again, assuming he becomes President in January). It will be difficult for the Democrats to win in 2024 after the first term, due to a lot of big decisions that will have to be made over the next four years in America that will be difficult to get right.

If the result of this election is as is generally expected, I expect either Donald Trump or someone close to him will run for President in 2024. My view is that whoever that is, will win.


People who think Donald Trump and his policies are just going to go away, need to dream on.

If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

Just about everything he posts is from some fantasy island.

If this is true then be worried Ned

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Coming from someone who thinks the BBC is biased/



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Donald Trump himself seems to have accepted the election result tonight.

Thoughts with the OP at this difficult time.

Someone’s been watching the main stream media again. Heard it on the BBC I guess.

Actually, I watched his news conference this evening on a stream which didn't come from any of the MSM so I could avoid their commentary on it and make my own judgement - as I always do.

His wording, to me, suggested that he was moving closer to accepting the result of the election. I doubt he will publicly admit that for a while though.

As for the link you have posted by DJHJ Media..

IF that is true and proven, then President Trump should remain in the White House - that much is obvious. My view is that is a big IF though.


All this needs to be proven and we will see what happens in the coming weeks and months.


One thing I will say is that if Biden becomes President in January, then he will not win in 2024. If he decides not to stand in the next election, then whoever the candidate for the Democrats is won't win.

I don't agree with his politics one bit, you know that, but the bottom line is more than 70 million Americans voted for Donald Trump in this election - more than voted for him in 2016. They are not going anywhere and whatever Biden does, he is not going to win the support of them over the next four years (again, assuming he becomes President in January). It will be difficult for the Democrats to win in 2024 after the first term, due to a lot of big decisions that will have to be made over the next four years in America that will be difficult to get right.

If the result of this election is as is generally expected, I expect either Donald Trump or someone close to him will run for President in 2024. My view is that whoever that is, will win.


People who think Donald Trump and his policies are just going to go away, need to dream on.

That is in fact a very good post Ned. It’s all depends how you see it. How I see his speech is that if the courts back the democrats or in fact when the votes have been re counted fairly he will stand down as he should. So he is showing he is willing to abide by a democratic process.
Yes everything has to be told through blogs posts and tweets as the MSM are so against him as they are just the elites puppets. Even Fox News that are normally a little more neutral stabbed him and many Americans in the back. There is a fairly new online News channel called Newsmax that actually report what is happening exactly and millions of Americans are deserting Fox for this channel and in many ways Fox is backtracking massively trying to win back these lost viewers.
If Biden wins next year then he would be gone in months as the guy isn’t well at all. Dementia is a bitch and shame on the Dems using him in this way knowing he won’t be president for long if he gets in.
The Dems have been far to brazen and continue trying to convince the world of there wonderful performance but the claims are this voter fraud runs into the millions not thousands.
But the only way it’s coming out isn’t through the MSM that will never happen. But Facebook and Twitter are shitting it as you can see as they now put out warnings on every single post from Trump and his supporters. That is desperation.
But I can answer tidy when someone puts up a decent reply and fair play you are the first to do so Ned on this one. May not agree with it all but you made some good points but I can listen to posts with reason and thought behind it.
I firmly believe voter fraud has robbed Donald Trump but that is my view and it’s going to get dirty but the fact the MSM are not reporting it or the evidence Trump is providing is telling me they know he is telling the truth.
All I'm saying is hang on it isn’t over yet. When the MSM destroyed Corbyn with a lot of lies we was told stop reading the Sun etc but now the agendas have changed for many the MSM are king.
Take a look at Harris Jr page he ain’t no Raging fascist/ Racist etc and he is Black as well. But I would love to see Candace Owns to be President one day. Look her up beauty and brains and not one Democrat has EVER put her in her place.

If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

Just about everything he posts is from some fantasy island.

Are you talking about Nukes or Trump?

If this is true then be worried Ned

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This claim about election fraud is disputed.

Just about everything he posts is from some fantasy island.

Are you talking about Nukes or Trump?

In this case it was Nukes but it could be applied to Trump as well. The biggest difference is that one makes up the shit & the other eats it up.

To the OP; you lost get over it!

Even Fox News that are normally a little more neutral stabbed him and many Americans in the back. There is a fairly new online News channel called Newsmax that actually report what is happening exactly and millions of Americans are deserting Fox for this channel and in many ways Fox is backtracking massively trying to win back these lost viewers.

The same Newsmax who sent out an email to their subscribers list telling them not to get vaccinated when a vaccine comes out, then telling them that instead of getting a vaccine they should sign up to their 'health newsletter' for about 30 quid a year. Yeah they're a beacon of journalistic integrity mate.

Wasn't long ago that Trump was retweeting Fox News every 10 minutes, then once they report that he's lost the election he immediately tells his cult of followers that they are 'fake news' and not to be trusted. People aren't drawn to Newsmax because they report 'what is happening' - They go there because Trump tells them to and it's one of the ONLY media orgs that are still suggesting Trump will win re-election. The ONLY people who follow newsmax are fantasists who believe Trump won and the Bill Gates Foundation is using COVID as a reason to inject us all with marxism.

Long post so the TLDR is basically - it ain't over yet and voter fraud might just be a distraction.

The long-winded version is as follows...

It's just a hunch but I think all the noise about voter fraud, while it is undeniable (500 affidavits alleging 11K examples needs to be taken under consideration) might just all be a bit of misdirection from the Trump campaign.

I actually think there are two different routes Trump will pursue, both leveraging the constitution.

The first route I think will be leveraging the fourteenth amendment and particularly the equal protection clause.

This is the same clause as Bush v Gore which set a precedent and interesting to note both Justices Kavanaugh and Comey Barret were involved with the Bush legal teams during that case and Justice Thomas voted in favour of the arguments put forward by the Bush legal team. The argument is essentially the same, but Trump's version would have to be on a much, much broader scale. That said, the scale shouldn't really be a factor when a legal precedent is in place.

The main thrust of the argument here is that each vote under the constitution must be treated equally to not go against the 14th amendment, so any votes in districts where the law wasn't applied equally are deemed illegitimate and shouldn't be counted.

To not do so is to to put a different legal framework in place for different voters based on the district they are in, which goes against the fourteenth amendment as different voters are afforded different treatment over a legal right i.e. voting.

Therefore, only votes that meet the lowest common denominator of equal treatment (i.e. treatment within the agreed parameters of the election agreed to by both parties) would be deemed legal and could be legitimately counted.

This would of course impact both Republican and Democratic votes but the likelihood would be the impact would damage Biden far more and swing the vote to Trump. It is also why that very early, minor win in Pennsylvania regarding equal observations rights being granted to Republicans, may actually prove to be not so minor after all as it puts unequal treatment of voters in different districts into a judicial setting and outlines a precedent that could be further leveraged.

This essentially would come down to a Supreme Court decision, and as mentioned with Kavanagh, Comey Barrat and Thomas all on the Supreme Court plus also Justices Roberts, Alito and Gorsuch there is a good chance of a constitutionally based cased being upheld.

The second route is to leverage the 12th amendment and push the decision to a contingent election.

Basically, if the electoral college hasn't elected a president by the 20th of January, this would kick in. All Trump needs to do to get to this point is hold up the swing states in the courts to stop them being able to certify (meaning they can't use their electoral vote)

If this happens and they end up in a contingent election, the President is elected by the house.

The interesting thing here is that while the Democrats hold the house in a contingent election each state has to vote in a block so the advantage passes to the Republicans as they hold a majority of representatives in 26 states, vs the Democrats 23 (Pennsylvania is 50/50 and DC doesn't get a vote in a contingent election).

What makes a contingent election even spicier is that the Vice President would be elected by the Senate. At the minute the Republicans hold the Senate, but Georgia could potentially flip blue on 5th Jan - in which case if things played out in a certain way we could end up with a Trump/Harris presidency which would be Spitting Image heaven.

Like I say all of this is just a hunch, I've not really seen much to support either of these arguments and I admit I'm just reading between the lines looking at the legal cases that are being filed and knowing a wee bit about US constitution and political set up and hadn't really thought it all through this clearly until I started putting this post together.

So my get-out clause is that I may well be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5. Even if I am right, I'd say both routes to the white house remain a long shot and in any other year I'd say that both scenarios would fairly unbelievable in any other year but this is 2020 and Donald Trump - so who knows.

One final point to all those saying Trump should just accept defeat.

Why? Beyond Orange Man Bad what actual arguments are there for that? Gore v Bush took 36 days to be decided. Hilary Clinton spent the last four years refusing to accept she lost and just ahead of this election stated Biden should not concede the election 'under any circumstances'.

Trump has absolutely every right to pursue every avenue to win, within the legal framework of the US constitution which is absolutely what he is doing. If after all legal avenue he still refuses to go, then I'll come on board calling it a coup, but as it stands he is acting 100% within his rights and within the legal framework of the US.

Besides, if you are going to try to rig the game against an opponent you've been claiming is the devil incarnate for the last four years, did you really expect him to just roll over and take it? He's fighting hard, but playing within the rules, I see nothing wrong with that.

Whatever happens, I reckon it's going to be a saga that rolls on for a bit longer yet.

the Bill Gates Foundation is using COVID as a reason to inject us all with marxism.

Even though I don't agree with you on a lot of these things, that last bit made me laugh fairplay

6 reasons why the donald will not concede

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54716550

I heard Trump popped to PC world to buy a quantum computer to count all the ballots which had a secret invisable water mark on!

6 reasons why the donald will not concede

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54716550

well i would imagine Hillary Clinton pleading with Biden to NOT CONCEDE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE....is a good enough reason in itself....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1238156

The tides can turn every bloody which way they like, it's irrelevant as the Trump presidency is long sunk under the waves due to the combination of staggering incompetence and full time grifting. The man is spending what little time he has left in the job, whining about losing his job, instead of doing the damn job. Over 1000 Americans are dying daily due to coronavirus and that man is AWOL from his desk, playing golf and tweeting about some alternate dimension where he hadn't been voted out of office by a nation sick of rhetoric and clear inability to hold political office...or just his seeming inability to act as an adult for 1 full minute and take ANY sort of responsiblity for anything he has ever done.

Why is it that the man himself and his fanatics spend half their time crying about the evil censorship of social media, twitter, fb ET ALL.....yet their main form of communication amongst themselves and their number one source of 'the truth' .....is tweets and facebook posts. Jesus friggin' wept I swear, that is cognitive dissonance as a lifestyle choice right there folks.

I mean lets face it, the mans legal champion was last seen giving a great american comeback speech from outside of a landscape gardening office, and next to a porn shop. That really sums up the overal level of planning, professionalism and taste for the entirety of Trumps four years in office. Let's not forget that moment Trump hid in a bunker for 3 days straight until a newspaper said mean things about him, then he rushed out, teargassed some protestors and stood for a photo op at a church whilst clutching a bible. f*cking disgusting behaviour from the supposed 'leader of the free world' and quite frankly the people defending him on this website should be ashamed of themselves. Biden certainly ain't no knight in shining armour, but compared to Trump he looks like a friggin angel, and all the vote recounts and loophole chasing in the world is never going to overturn the millions of votes in his favour.

It really is time for Trump and some folk here, to put their big boy pants on and accept that democracy doesn't always go your way. The man is literally killing his countrymen by blocking, stalling, twisting and denying the truth. Christ I hope the footie comes back real soon.