' The Cardiff City Boards Plan '

Same thing they say every time we're not pushing for promotion or in the prem. Then it all goes out of the window for short term success and we find ourselves with bloated squad of aging players.

Jack, we dont agree on many things, but your so spot on, thats whats been happening for the last 13yrs at our club .

And it's so obvious aswell Annis, it's pretty tiring to read to be honest. I actually roll my eyes every time I hear the club mention the next grand plan for the academy!

Jack that’s exactly why I don’t take them serious anymore , just a joke with bullshit.

For me this feels like a reset they have been forced into.

Tan joined us when we were destined for the Premier. We had a fantastic squad that look like it could quite easily get established in the Premier. Well history shows we dipped our toes in there twice but never established ourselves. We have basically been living off Parachute payments and that luxury is about to be taken away from us. So its time for change.

The lack of attention with the Academy over the last decade is going to bit us now the Board has decided to focus on it. I believe the Board have been forced into this due to the fact we have screwed up this season already. We needed a return to the Premier so the club could carry on its business model. That does not look like its going to happen now.

For me the bottom line here is that over the last decade we have buggered it up.

Excellent post mate, with a lot of really what has been happening or shall I say not happening.

Its ironic then that during the 10 year period that the academys been been shite we appeared in the carling cup final and got promoted to the premier league .

Whilst I welcome the plan it has to be said that neither this ownership or the previous couple have got his right.

The previous few owners from Sam up until Tan seemed to find and develop the talent OK but had to sell them so quick to pay off other debts that we never saw either the benefit of them on the pitch (Ramsey and Gunter both sold after much less than a season's worth of games) or off the pitch due to the "quick sale" prices we had to accept.

As a previous poster has said. If we could only find the right talent under this regime we'd probably be in a much better position to either hang on to them longer or sell at a decent market price.

Are we looking at the same people/club...?

One of Sam's most positive legacies was that he actually took personal time and interest in both creating, upgrading and maintaining the Cardiff City Academy. He spent a lot of money and could be seen at most of their games, taking a keen interest and huge satisfaction in nurturing and watching the development of 'his' young players

We had the likes of Ledley, Rambo, Gunter, Matthews and others come through and each of those contributed to the team during what was, for me, the best period of supporting Cardiff City FC in my many years. For once, we were buoyant, we were exciting to watch, we were successful (four Wembley appearances) and pressing for the Premier League prize

That Sam ran out of the resources, maybe good will, to carry on chasing his dream is another matter but I don't recall Sam selling off the family jewels cheaply before he went; that particular task was carried out (and again we can debate the pedantic of that at great length) by The Riddler, who effectively gave away Rambo and Gunter, whilst also allowing Ledley to take his mercenary position that cost the club at a time of great financial need

So now let's look at the Vincent Tan era...

It's well known that I am not as anti-Tan as some intransigents on here. I appreciate the money he has put in and I appreciate the relative randomness that got him here in the beginning. With hindsight, some forget far too easily the position we were in and we were very lucky to say the least

But regarding the Academy, it has never been a priority or even a blip on his radar in reality and despite different people giving it a go, who can we honestly say has been 'home produced' and then sold on 'at profit' since Mr Tan's tenure began?

It simply hasn't happened, although I will concede that Joe Began may well be catapulted into that position, if he carries on the way he has started

Whilst I welcome the plan it has to be said that neither this ownership or the previous couple have got his right.

The previous few owners from Sam up until Tan seemed to find and develop the talent OK but had to sell them so quick to pay off other debts that we never saw either the benefit of them on the pitch (Ramsey and Gunter both sold after much less than a season's worth of games) or off the pitch due to the "quick sale" prices we had to accept.

As a previous poster has said. If we could only find the right talent under this regime we'd probably be in a much better position to either hang on to them longer or sell at a decent market price.

Are we looking at the same people/club...?

One of Sam's most positive legacies was that he actually took personal time and interest in both creating, upgrading and maintaining the Cardiff City Academy. He spent a lot of many and could be seen at most of their games, taking a keen interest and huge satisfaction in nurturing and watching the development of 'his' young players

We had the likes of Ledley, Rambo, Gunter, Matthews and others come through and each of those contributed to the team during what was, for me, the best period of supporting Cardiff City FC in my many years. For once, we were buoyant, we were exciting to watch, we were successful (four Wembley appearances) and pressing for the Premier League prize

That Sam ran out of the resources, maybe good will, to carry on chasing his dream is another matter but I don't recall Sam selling off the family jewels cheaply before he went; that particular task was carried out (and again we can debate the pedantic of that at great length) by The Riddler, who effectively gave away Rambo and Gunter, whilst also allowing Ledley to take his mercenary position that cost the club at a time of great financial need

So now let's look at the Vincent Tan era...

It's well known that I am not as anti-Tan as some intransigents on here. I appreciate the money he has put in and I appreciate the relative randomness that got him here in the beginning. With hindsight, some forget far too easily the position we were in and we were very lucky to say the least

But regarding the Academy, it has never been a priority or even a blip on his radar in reality and despite different people giving it a go, who can we honestly say has been 'home produced' and then sold on 'at profit' since Mr Tan's tenure began?

It simply hasn't happened, although I will concede that Joe Began may well be catapulted into that position, if he carries on the way he has started

Well said Chris and so spot on and honest.

I wondered if the poster was on about Cardiff or another club?


And 100% your not anti Tan.


But Sam deserves full credit for what he achieved with out Accademy and to not acknowledge that really sums some people us

Whilst I welcome the plan it has to be said that neither this ownership or the previous couple have got his right.

The previous few owners from Sam up until Tan seemed to find and develop the talent OK but had to sell them so quick to pay off other debts that we never saw either the benefit of them on the pitch (Ramsey and Gunter both sold after much less than a season's worth of games) or off the pitch due to the "quick sale" prices we had to accept.

As a previous poster has said. If we could only find the right talent under this regime we'd probably be in a much better position to either hang on to them longer or sell at a decent market price.

Are we looking at the same people/club...?

One of Sam's most positive legacies was that he actually took personal time and interest in both creating, upgrading and maintaining the Cardiff City Academy. He spent a lot of many and could be seen at most of their games, taking a keen interest and huge satisfaction in nurturing and watching the development of 'his' young players

We had the likes of Ledley, Rambo, Gunter, Matthews and others come through and each of those contributed to the team during what was, for me, the best period of supporting Cardiff City FC in my many years. For once, we were buoyant, we were exciting to watch, we were successful (four Wembley appearances) and pressing for the Premier League prize

That Sam ran out of the resources, maybe good will, to carry on chasing his dream is another matter but I don't recall Sam selling off the family jewels cheaply before he went; that particular task was carried out (and again we can debate the pedantic of that at great length) by The Riddler, who effectively gave away Rambo and Gunter, whilst also allowing Ledley to take his mercenary position that cost the club at a time of great financial need

So now let's look at the Vincent Tan era...

It's well known that I am not as anti-Tan as some intransigents on here. I appreciate the money he has put in and I appreciate the relative randomness that got him here in the beginning. With hindsight, some forget far too easily the position we were in and we were very lucky to say the least

But regarding the Academy, it has never been a priority or even a blip on his radar in reality and despite different people giving it a go, who can we honestly say has been 'home produced' and then sold on 'at profit' since Mr Tan's tenure began?

It simply hasn't happened, although I will concede that Joe Began may well be catapulted into that position, if he carries on the way he has started

Well said Chris and so spot on and honest.

I wondered if the poster was on about Cardiff or another club?


And 100% your not anti Tan.


But Sam deserves full credit for what he achieved with out Accademy and to not acknowledge that really sums some people us

Annis, Sam deserves immense credit for starting the dream, for backing the Academy and for they way he brought the supporters on board

Vincent Tan's tenure will be remembered for different reasons; sadly, a buoyant Academy (currently) won't be one!

Whilst I welcome the plan it has to be said that neither this ownership or the previous couple have got his right.

The previous few owners from Sam up until Tan seemed to find and develop the talent OK but had to sell them so quick to pay off other debts that we never saw either the benefit of them on the pitch (Ramsey and Gunter both sold after much less than a season's worth of games) or off the pitch due to the "quick sale" prices we had to accept.

As a previous poster has said. If we could only find the right talent under this regime we'd probably be in a much better position to either hang on to them longer or sell at a decent market price.

Are we looking at the same people/club...?

One of Sam's most positive legacies was that he actually took personal time and interest in both creating, upgrading and maintaining the Cardiff City Academy. He spent a lot of many and could be seen at most of their games, taking a keen interest and huge satisfaction in nurturing and watching the development of 'his' young players

We had the likes of Ledley, Rambo, Gunter, Matthews and others come through and each of those contributed to the team during what was, for me, the best period of supporting Cardiff City FC in my many years. For once, we were buoyant, we were exciting to watch, we were successful (four Wembley appearances) and pressing for the Premier League prize

That Sam ran out of the resources, maybe good will, to carry on chasing his dream is another matter but I don't recall Sam selling off the family jewels cheaply before he went; that particular task was carried out (and again we can debate the pedantic of that at great length) by The Riddler, who effectively gave away Rambo and Gunter, whilst also allowing Ledley to take his mercenary position that cost the club at a time of great financial need

So now let's look at the Vincent Tan era...

It's well known that I am not as anti-Tan as some intransigents on here. I appreciate the money he has put in and I appreciate the relative randomness that got him here in the beginning. With hindsight, some forget far too easily the position we were in and we were very lucky to say the least

But regarding the Academy, it has never been a priority or even a blip on his radar in reality and despite different people giving it a go, who can we honestly say has been 'home produced' and then sold on 'at profit' since Mr Tan's tenure began?

It simply hasn't happened, although I will concede that Joe Began may well be catapulted into that position, if he carries on the way he has started

Well said Chris and so spot on and honest.

I wondered if the poster was on about Cardiff or another club?


And 100% your not anti Tan.


But Sam deserves full credit for what he achieved with out Accademy and to not acknowledge that really sums some people us

Annis, Sam deserves immense credit for starting the dream, for backing the Academy and for they way he brought the supporters on board

Vincent Tan's tenure will be remembered for different reasons; sadly, a buoyant Academy (currently) won't be one!

Chris and that’s the truth


The truth is there is still No one at our club at the top end who really knows their football and how to run properly a football club.

11 years later, I can see David Hughes replacing Neil Harris, it will be like bringing Paul Trollope in again.

That’s how they think in the committee.

Hmmm?

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Whilst I welcome the plan it has to be said that neither this ownership or the previous couple have got his right.

The previous few owners from Sam up until Tan seemed to find and develop the talent OK but had to sell them so quick to pay off other debts that we never saw either the benefit of them on the pitch (Ramsey and Gunter both sold after much less than a season's worth of games) or off the pitch due to the "quick sale" prices we had to accept.

As a previous poster has said. If we could only find the right talent under this regime we'd probably be in a much better position to either hang on to them longer or sell at a decent market price.

Are we looking at the same people/club...?

One of Sam's most positive legacies was that he actually took personal time and interest in both creating, upgrading and maintaining the Cardiff City Academy. He spent a lot of many and could be seen at most of their games, taking a keen interest and huge satisfaction in nurturing and watching the development of 'his' young players

We had the likes of Ledley, Rambo, Gunter, Matthews and others come through and each of those contributed to the team during what was, for me, the best period of supporting Cardiff City FC in my many years. For once, we were buoyant, we were exciting to watch, we were successful (four Wembley appearances) and pressing for the Premier League prize

That Sam ran out of the resources, maybe good will, to carry on chasing his dream is another matter but I don't recall Sam selling off the family jewels cheaply before he went; that particular task was carried out (and again we can debate the pedantic of that at great length) by The Riddler, who effectively gave away Rambo and Gunter, whilst also allowing Ledley to take his mercenary position that cost the club at a time of great financial need

So now let's look at the Vincent Tan era...

It's well known that I am not as anti-Tan as some intransigents on here. I appreciate the money he has put in and I appreciate the relative randomness that got him here in the beginning. With hindsight, some forget far too easily the position we were in and we were very lucky to say the least

But regarding the Academy, it has never been a priority or even a blip on his radar in reality and despite different people giving it a go, who can we honestly say has been 'home produced' and then sold on 'at profit' since Mr Tan's tenure began?

It simply hasn't happened, although I will concede that Joe Began may well be catapulted into that position, if he carries on the way he has started

Well said Chris and so spot on and honest.

I wondered if the poster was on about Cardiff or another club?


And 100% your not anti Tan.


But Sam deserves full credit for what he achieved with out Accademy and to not acknowledge that really sums some people us

Annis, Sam deserves immense credit for starting the dream, for backing the Academy and for they way he brought the supporters on board

Vincent Tan's tenure will be remembered for different reasons; sadly, a buoyant Academy (currently) won't be one!

Chris and that’s the truth


The truth is there is still No one at our club at the top end who really knows their football and how to run properly a football club.

11 years later, I can see David Hughes replacing Neil Harris, it will be like bringing Paul Trollope in again.

That’s how they think in the committee.

Its like Groundhog Day.

Investing time, resource and expertise in an Academy is a noble aim, but there's no guarantee of success. All the effort, the staff, the facilities, must cost at least £500k pa - probably closer to twice that. Personally, I would invest much, much more in quality scouting, in the UK and overseas. We paid £5m for Robert Glatzel on the basis he scored 3 against Bayern Munich in the Cup. I doubt we'd 'scouted' him, more likely his agent took advantage of the situation and touted around for business. In fact I doubt we have any contacts outside the club who can identify potential talent early on.

Investing time, resource and expertise in an Academy is a noble aim, but there's no guarantee of success. All the effort, the staff, the facilities, must cost at least £500k pa - probably closer to twice that. Personally, I would invest much, much more in quality scouting, in the UK and overseas. We paid £5m for Robert Glatzel on the basis he scored 3 against Bayern Munich in the Cup. I doubt we'd 'scouted' him, more likely his agent took advantage of the situation and touted around for business. In fact I doubt we have any contacts outside the club who can identify potential talent early on.

Quite right; and investing £10's of millions in 'quality' players who don't do the business and/or don't put a shift in is another 'no guarantee' situation that (IMHO) has cost us a lot more in recent years

A reset at his club may not be a bad idea; so long as it is allowed to work and they have clearly identifiable aims and objectives as to their destination

I think most supporters (clearly some never will) would get behind that!

Investing time, resource and expertise in an Academy is a noble aim, but there's no guarantee of success. All the effort, the staff, the facilities, must cost at least £500k pa - probably closer to twice that. Personally, I would invest much, much more in quality scouting, in the UK and overseas. We paid £5m for Robert Glatzel on the basis he scored 3 against Bayern Munich in the Cup. I doubt we'd 'scouted' him, more likely his agent took advantage of the situation and touted around for business. In fact I doubt we have any contacts outside the club who can identify potential talent early on.

Quite right; and investing £10's of millions in 'quality' players who don't do the business and/or don't put a shift in is another 'no guarantee' situation that (IMHO) has cost us a lot more in recent years

A reset at his club may not be a bad idea; so long as it is allowed to work and they have clearly identifiable aims and objectives as to their destination

I think most supporters (clearly some never will) would get behind that!

All very well in having wonderful scouting and recruiting depts that doesn't garauntee anything either.. good example is brentford in news today making £50m on two sales of players..... excluding this they sold around £170m worth of talent after spending £80m on players past 5yrs so making on paper big profit but what have they achieved in comparison to us? Plaudits for great football but no promotions? If only running a football club was so easy to do.

Investing time, resource and expertise in an Academy is a noble aim, but there's no guarantee of success. All the effort, the staff, the facilities, must cost at least £500k pa - probably closer to twice that. Personally, I would invest much, much more in quality scouting, in the UK and overseas. We paid £5m for Robert Glatzel on the basis he scored 3 against Bayern Munich in the Cup. I doubt we'd 'scouted' him, more likely his agent took advantage of the situation and touted around for business. In fact I doubt we have any contacts outside the club who can identify potential talent early on.

Quite right; and investing £10's of millions in 'quality' players who don't do the business and/or don't put a shift in is another 'no guarantee' situation that (IMHO) has cost us a lot more in recent years

A reset at his club may not be a bad idea; so long as it is allowed to work and they have clearly identifiable aims and objectives as to their destination

I think most supporters (clearly some never will) would get behind that!

All very well in having wonderful scouting and recruiting depts that doesn't garauntee anything either.. good example is brentford in news today making £50m on two sales of players..... excluding this they sold around £170m worth of talent after spending £80m on players past 5yrs so making on paper big profit but what have they achieved in comparison to us? Plaudits for great football but no promotions? If only running a football club was so easy to do.

Look where Brentford were 5 years ago though. They have been building and getting better each season. We might have been to the prem twice but we've got f**k all to show for it. They've got a clear identity and a very good scouting network. Be interesting to see where we both are next season seeing as we cant rely on parachute payments to fund transfers and pay our high earners.