Why lockdown needed

Nobody would need to buy a new nighty in the Heath Hospital as every ward has a stack of new clothes including nighties that have been donated by M&S and other stores my wife has given many of these to patients on the ward where she works.

Nobody would need to buy a new nighty in the Heath Hospital as every ward has a stack of new clothes including nighties that have been donated by M&S and other stores my wife has given many of these to patients on the ward where she works.

Do all hospitals have same? Apparently not if you believe what people are saying on social media, besides would you wear hospital clothes considering several of them are route cause of infections....If you are doing something that is as strict as lockdown what you dont do is give people reason to dislike it.... which is precisely what drakefords done . Stopping asda ect selling anything is a totally unessasry thing to do and shows a lack of understanding of peoples present state of mind regarding restrictions....

Nobody would need to buy a new nighty in the Heath Hospital as every ward has a stack of new clothes including nighties that have been donated by M&S and other stores my wife has given many of these to patients on the ward where she works.

well done marks and whoever else..
but that doesnt change the fact it has zero to do with following science.. and everything to do with a man wanting to score political points... lets see what hard evidence tortoise produces tomorrow... and whether he is prepared to ignore this science and do a U turn... no doubt you have every confidence in him not doing a UTURN and producing the scientific proof to back the decision...and sticking to it...

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science

I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.

Vodka kills Covid. Fact!!!

Fairplay, I did ask.

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

You think shutting the local clothes shop is going to stop people going to Tesco and mixing with far more people than local shop!..... no rule for internet shopping other than you need internet or you actually shop on line? I never go online for anything why should I? Its simplistic to say use internet but that doesn't cover 100% of population so some people are going to be disadvantaged by not allowing everything yo be bought in a supermarket... and its crap to say everyone uses or got internet? My mate doesn't have internet he uses
the library the ones that are now closed! and I know of lots people who got unreliable access as live in the countryside as drakeford thought about them in his dont need to shop for kettle use internet instead attitude ?

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

to be fair....while suggesting people go buy online { i know you have but its also been suggested by politicians } ...sorry but that doesnt make any sense...
on the topic of fair very little has been anything like fair from March... better if they concentrated on people who will die of a cancer that could have been prevented seeing as theyve discovered the word fair...

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

You think shutting the local clothes shop is going to stop people going to Tesco and mixing with far more people than local shop!..... no rule for internet shopping other than you need internet or you actually shop on line? I never go online for anything why should I? Its simplistic to say use internet but that doesn't cover 100% of population so some people are going to be disadvantaged by not allowing everything yo be bought in a supermarket... and its crap to say everyone uses or got internet? My mate doesn't have internet he uses
the library the ones that are now closed! and I know of lots people who got unreliable access as live in the countryside as drakeford thought about them in his dont need to shop for kettle use internet instead attitude ?

The point is people stay indoors. Do not leave for 17 days to reduce the rate of infection. ONLY go to the shop for essential items. I didn't say anything about my thoughts. If people cannot just stay in to help reduce the R Rate then we will continue to see these lockdowns. Cardiff was shown to be like Christmas eve last Thursday we people out in the pubs in town etc, the reason the rate is lower in other parts of Wales is because they are listening to the guidelines and acting on them (social distancing etc) - its not difficult, just the actions of some ruining it for everyone else (and maybe themselves if they get the virus).

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

You think shutting the local clothes shop is going to stop people going to Tesco and mixing with far more people than local shop!..... no rule for internet shopping other than you need internet or you actually shop on line? I never go online for anything why should I? Its simplistic to say use internet but that doesn't cover 100% of population so some people are going to be disadvantaged by not allowing everything yo be bought in a supermarket... and its crap to say everyone uses or got internet? My mate doesn't have internet he uses
the library the ones that are now closed! and I know of lots people who got unreliable access as live in the countryside as drakeford thought about them in his dont need to shop for kettle use internet instead attitude ?

The point is people stay indoors. Do not leave for 17 days to reduce the rate of infection. ONLY go to the shop for essential items. I didn't say anything about my thoughts. If people cannot just stay in to help reduce the R Rate then we will continue to see these lockdowns. Cardiff was shown to be like Christmas eve last Thursday we people out in the pubs in town etc, the reason the rate is lower in other parts of Wales is because they are listening to the guidelines and acting on them (social distancing etc) - its not difficult, just the actions of some ruining it for everyone else (and maybe themselves if they get the virus).

BLAME.... yes thats what is happening and thats what people are being pushed towards... ...its not me sir its joe.... nobody is ruining anything by being naughty as its been said time and again how well observed the first lockdown was... but its a virus and with the best will in the world its going to spread. and spread more in areas where it has the most hosts.

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

Ridiculous margins that we've paid for ever since

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So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

The point of closing non-essential shops is to keep people away from each and indoors as much as possible (the point of lockdown).

They ban the sale of non-essential items in shops that are allowed to remain open to be fair to those shops that are closed.

There is no rule stopping anyone using the Internet to buy non-essential items. Most shops have an online presence these days so you can still support them.

You think shutting the local clothes shop is going to stop people going to Tesco and mixing with far more people than local shop!..... no rule for internet shopping other than you need internet or you actually shop on line? I never go online for anything why should I? Its simplistic to say use internet but that doesn't cover 100% of population so some people are going to be disadvantaged by not allowing everything yo be bought in a supermarket... and its crap to say everyone uses or got internet? My mate doesn't have internet he uses
the library the ones that are now closed! and I know of lots people who got unreliable access as live in the countryside as drakeford thought about them in his dont need to shop for kettle use internet instead attitude ?

The point is people stay indoors. Do not leave for 17 days to reduce the rate of infection. ONLY go to the shop for essential items. I didn't say anything about my thoughts. If people cannot just stay in to help reduce the R Rate then we will continue to see these lockdowns. Cardiff was shown to be like Christmas eve last Thursday we people out in the pubs in town etc, the reason the rate is lower in other parts of Wales is because they are listening to the guidelines and acting on them (social distancing etc) - its not difficult, just the actions of some ruining it for everyone else (and maybe themselves if they get the virus).

It's because we are the Capital City, we have two very big Universities, and a city centre full of pubs where all the Students and people from Cardiff and all of the surrounding areas can go, meet and get pissed. All University Cities/Towns are having the same issues, the bigger and more attractive the University the bigger the problem.

18 odd-year-old students are not frightened of this virus, if they get it the vast majority don't even know, the hangover is worse for most of them, once they've all had it things should settle back down a bit.

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

what the conservatives did ?
what they did was promise a referendum because of the rising UKIP vote.. but mostly campaigned against leaving..
and why cant you vote for abolish the assembly..im going to.

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

what the conservatives did ?
what they did was promise a referendum because of the rising UKIP vote.. but mostly campaigned against leaving..
and why cant you vote for abolish the assembly..im going to.

Same as UKIP, they will have no real manifesto, they are just a one-trick pony, it's good if they get some traction though as UKIP did and make people aware of the issues and raise the debate.

They should get Farrage in, he would sort it out by the next election easily.

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

what the conservatives did ?
what they did was promise a referendum because of the rising UKIP vote.. but mostly campaigned against leaving..
and why cant you vote for abolish the assembly..im going to.

UKIP raised the issue, the tories capitalised on the idea, and Boris promised to get Brexit done, the rest is history a landslide victory taking the red wall from labour in the process.

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

what the conservatives did ?
what they did was promise a referendum because of the rising UKIP vote.. but mostly campaigned against leaving..
and why cant you vote for abolish the assembly..im going to.

UKIP raised the issue, the tories capitalised on the idea, and Boris promised to get Brexit done, the rest is history a landslide victory taking the red wall from labour in the process.

yes mate but leaving europe started with UKIP.. yes Boris capitalised on it last December ,3 years after we voted for it... UKIP RAISED THE ISSIE... ? ukip stands for uk independence leaving had zero to do with the tories until we voted for it....

Remember why we have a wag.

Turn out 50.2% just over required 50% minimum of whom 50.1% voted in favour. Overall majority less than 7000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_We ... referendum

The wag is a crock of shite.

What can we say is better in 23 years.

I assume Drippy and Vague must realise our NHS here, wonderful and amazing as it and its people are, is simply and sadly not able to cope with what this virus could do.

How can we get rid of them, people back then knew that some councillor type nobody would be making important decisions about where and when they could leave their immediate area, and whether or not you could open your business?

It's like joining the EU but worse!

the way out is the same as the way in...democracy....
there is an abolish the assembly party and just like with UKIP if enough voted for it , it would be no more...

https://www.abolishthewelshassembly.co.uk/

Like UKIP, you can't really vote for them though can you, we need one of the big parties to bring it into their manifesto for the election as the Conservatives did with Brexit, might also be a way for them to make some headway in Wales as Brexit did for the North?

what the conservatives did ?
what they did was promise a referendum because of the rising UKIP vote.. but mostly campaigned against leaving..
and why cant you vote for abolish the assembly..im going to.

UKIP raised the issue, the tories capitalised on the idea, and Boris promised to get Brexit done, the rest is history a landslide victory taking the red wall from labour in the process.

yes mate but leaving europe started with UKIP.. yes Boris capitalised on it last December ,3 years after we voted for it... UKIP RAISED THE ISSIE... ? ukip stands for uk independence leaving had zero to do with the tories until we voted for it....

Agreed so hopefully these lot can get things started and raise the issue

Devolution was never going to work. You’re basically relying on a small pool of people in the Labour Party to run an economy. With their TUC mentality and lack of business nous, they are unfit to govern. We need a referendum/choice to close it.

In Wales, people are being asked to stay at home during the country's 17-day firebreak lockdown - which is in place during Halloween - and bans other households from meeting either indoors or outdoors