Petition sennedd supermarkets be allowed to sell all goods

If WG ordered closure of shops they are going to financially support them? So if that's case why is it such a big deal that asda sells a kettle ? Surely its immaterial in grand scheme of things! If you want the public on your side you do not give them reason to dislike what you are doing do you? Same with lockdown says it's to save lives but he is already telling people it's not enough because we are going to be lockedown in January! Not best way to get public on your side considering rest uk are not under as strict a lockdown the public have the right to question his judgement..

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

not everyone had internet access and across the UK its millions...
anyway...what happens if he changes the rule tomorrow ?
was the science wrong ?
is he now going against the science ?
does the science change hourly ?
will he admit being wrong ?
and will you then be in Traceys camp..
truth is it doesnt matter where information comes from providing it is accurate... if Tracey is saying facts and WAG are not why would you take a lie over a truth....yet many do...

You cant honestly believe millions of people do not have access to the Internet. How many do you actually know honestly that don't ?
Personally I cant think of a single person.

Turn those questions round and answer them yourself

If he stops the lockdown and hundreds of thousands die, hospitals are overwhelmed and businesses collapse will you admit to being wrong and say sorry to him ?

He is being briefed by the best scientists in the world, we get second hand misinformation from thousands of sources.

The lesser of the two evils in my eyes is the short lockdown to prevent possible disaster. Do nothing and we risk losing everything.

No reversal then

They will be but they will dress it up as the suppermarkets have overreacted to the rules.

That's how politics work.

And the sheep will still vote Labour in next time.. in political terms, Wales is disastrous. It just becomes amusing in the end.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

not everyone had internet access and across the UK its millions...
anyway...what happens if he changes the rule tomorrow ?
was the science wrong ?
is he now going against the science ?
does the science change hourly ?
will he admit being wrong ?
and will you then be in Traceys camp..
truth is it doesnt matter where information comes from providing it is accurate... if Tracey is saying facts and WAG are not why would you take a lie over a truth....yet many do...

You cant honestly believe millions of people do not have access to the Internet. How many do you actually know honestly that don't ?
Personally I cant think of a single person.

Turn those questions round and answer them yourself

If he stops the lockdown and hundreds of thousands die, hospitals are overwhelmed and businesses collapse will you admit to being wrong and say sorry to him ?

He is being briefed by the best scientists in the world, we get second hand misinformation from thousands of sources.

The lesser of the two evils in my eyes is the short lockdown to prevent possible disaster. Do nothing and we risk losing everything.

Hundreds of thousands dying in 17days sounds a bit ott? I don't use internet to buy anything and there are lots of older people especially dont use or know how to buy online but that's really not the point.... ask yourself why is it such a big deal for asda ect to sell non food items? If you do something like lockdown you do not give people a reason to dislike what your going which is precisely what he has done? And why are we going to have another lockdown in January if you believe what WG is saying today! That's another reason for people to mistrust what's being said about this lockdown.... lockdown maybe justified but drakeford is not handling situation at all well as public losing faith in WG and him.

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

not everyone had internet access and across the UK its millions...
anyway...what happens if he changes the rule tomorrow ?
was the science wrong ?
is he now going against the science ?
does the science change hourly ?
will he admit being wrong ?
and will you then be in Traceys camp..
truth is it doesnt matter where information comes from providing it is accurate... if Tracey is saying facts and WAG are not why would you take a lie over a truth....yet many do...

You cant honestly believe millions of people do not have access to the Internet. How many do you actually know honestly that don't ?
Personally I cant think of a single person.

Turn those questions round and answer them yourself

If he stops the lockdown and hundreds of thousands die, hospitals are overwhelmed and businesses collapse will you admit to being wrong and say sorry to him ?

He is being briefed by the best scientists in the world, we get second hand misinformation from thousands of sources.

The lesser of the two evils in my eyes is the short lockdown to prevent possible disaster. Do nothing and we risk losing everything.

hundreds of thousands ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????
best in the world ?
and because you do not know people without the internet means you have not thought it through, not because your correct... i know a number of people mostly old with no internet.. so yes i believe it, and i didnt make it up or assume it , its a fact...

Anyone live in a rural area? Well if drakeford did he would know using internet for shopping is very risky as connecting to internet is dodgy to say least.... I travel throughout rural carmarthen ceridigion and pembs and take it from me internet is as reliable as a politician.... you could be halfway through transaction and it drops out not uncommon this! So to say you can buy online is actually bollocks for thousands of people, did drakeford think of this with his you can buy online attitude Of course he didnt as he lives in super fast broadband Cardiff...

So why are we being told to wear masks,so long aftef the initial outbreak?? Top scientists,that took roughly 7 months to come to that simple conclusion!! And therd are many,many people with no internet,two of my immediate neighbours for a start,plus a big percentage of elderly people dont have it either!I delivered prescriptions during lockdown, to isolated/ing patients,and would say roughly 70% had no internet,so what do you suggest these people do?

Rules banning shops selling non-essential items during Wales' firebreak lockdown will not be reversed, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said.

On Sunday afternoon, Mr Drakeford said the implementation of the rules may be tweaked, but the "basic decision" behind the ban was the right one.

A petition on the issue has exceeded 60,000 signatures, making it the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.

The Welsh Conservatives earlier said the rules were "mixed-messaging".

Supermarkets have been told they can only sell "essential" items and must close parts of their stores which sell products such as clothes, shoes, toys and bedding during Wales' 17-day "firebreak" lockdown.

In an interview with BBC Wales, Mr Drakeford said: "The position we face in Wales is really and deeply serious and for these two weeks we are asking people to stay at home and not to mix with other people as much as they can.

"If the rules are not sensible rules, if there are anomalies that are emerging, we will put them right, but the basic underlying public health emergency has not gone away.

"The basic decision is the right one. If the implementation of it, the interpretation of it needs to be revisited to make sure the rules are sensible, then we will do that.

"Non-essential goods are not allowed to be sold over the next two weeks. That's why there are hundreds of shops the length and breadth of Wales are closed. The underlying issue is not about shopping, it is about saving lives."

Mr Drakeford said a review into how the rules have been implemented would be held on Monday.

Signed

What he will say is shops can use their discretion in selling non essential items it was not his intention to stop children getting clothes they need or little old doris getting a kettle ect ect.. that'll be his idea of tweaking it

There is really no answer to this problem

How can you allow supermarkets to sell non essential goods but shut small local shops that sell them ?

They will not win whatever they do because if they allow these items back they have to allow the other shops to open

But why was this not an issue when only supermarkets were allowed to open for the first few months of the initial lockdown?

They were not selling them then either it just wasn't argued against at the time

Well thats not quite true,as my wife was allowed to purchase a clothing item,and was told she could return it,which we were surprised at.how can clothing not be essential? What if say,I lost my one and only coat(some peple have this predicament)left on a bus etc.then i have to walk around freezing? But thats ok,I'll improvise and make one from bread.

Or order one online from any of the hundreds of clothes shops for next day delivery ?

Whst a daft reply,i was simply using losing a coat as an example,and myself as the person.what as bout the people who live alone,have no internet etc?? Plus even if they h as d internet,its a costly way of getting what they need,as next day delivery doesnt come free does it,so cost maybe a factor for these people?? Not everyone has somebody to help out in situations as above.it makes no sense that i can spend as many hour as i like shopping,as long as i dont buy "essentials" such as a coat??

How many people do you know that do not have Internet or at least access to it ?

Clothing stores are either free delivery or a couple of quid. It would cost the same to get the bus or park at the shops.

People are just looking for a excuse to bash the government and have a argument. Its a short lockdown to ensure our health service is not overrun and people need to listen to the professionals rather than Tracey from Facebook.

not everyone had internet access and across the UK its millions...
anyway...what happens if he changes the rule tomorrow ?
was the science wrong ?
is he now going against the science ?
does the science change hourly ?
will he admit being wrong ?
and will you then be in Traceys camp..
truth is it doesnt matter where information comes from providing it is accurate... if Tracey is saying facts and WAG are not why would you take a lie over a truth....yet many do...

You cant honestly believe millions of people do not have access to the Internet. How many do you actually know honestly that don't ?
Personally I cant think of a single person.

Turn those questions round and answer them yourself

If he stops the lockdown and hundreds of thousands die, hospitals are overwhelmed and businesses collapse will you admit to being wrong and say sorry to him ?

He is being briefed by the best scientists in the world, we get second hand misinformation from thousands of sources.

The lesser of the two evils in my eyes is the short lockdown to prevent possible disaster. Do nothing and we risk losing everything.

hundreds of thousands ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????
best in the world ?
and because you do not know people without the internet means you have not thought it through, not because your correct... i know a number of people mostly old with no internet.. so yes i believe it, and i didnt make it up or assume it , its a fact...

No its not a fact just because you know one or two people mainly old without it

Heres a fact from the government website

In January to February 2020, 96% of households in Great Britain had internet access, up from 93% in 2019 and 57% in 2006 when comparable records began.7 Aug 2020


Yes hundreds of thousands could die like in America, we are half way there already

Our scientists and medical professionals are regarded as some of the best in the world

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/244282

We should really be able to manage without all the supermarket shit for two weeks?

I still signed it to put pressure on Dripford because he's a drip!

If Ferguson, Whitty and Vallance are regarded as "some of the best in the world" then we're really in the shit.

And having access to the internet is a lot different to actually being able to use the internet or feeling comfortable doing so.

Drakefords logic! Banned tesco from selling non essential products to be fair to other shops locked down? But he then says shop online for the products!! So local shops lose sale of products anyway..... be hard pushed to say shopping for kettle kids clothes ect in Tesco is causing spread of covid another of his rationale for ban!

Drakeford is coming under increasing pressure and not only over this petition on Supermarkets and non essential items, There were 3 petitions rejected over the weekend:

Remove Mark Drakeford and Vaughan Gething from office
Vote of no confidence in Mark Drakeford
Stop the Welsh Government using health protection legislation to remove civil rights of UK Citizens.

All were rejected because in the case of the first 2 because petitions are not allowed that involve appointments or resignations. The 3rd petition was rejected because it was "Unclear" what it was asking the Welsh Government to do. Here is how that petition was worded.

During 2020 the Welsh government has used health protection legislation to remove the civil rights of the Welsh public with laws that equate to placing society under house arrest. These rules have not gone through due process and had royal decree as a result of loop holes in the health protection legislation.

I think that is clear the Law and civil liberty legislation is NOT a devolved power, that lies with Westminster, so this Welsh Labour Government are using a back door, Public Health, to impose restrictions on ALL our civil liberties. The control runs so deep they will stop any attempt by the Welsh Public to push back at them. Why does Lukashenko and Belarus come to mind.

Drakeford is running a Nanny State in Wales where he believes he needs he can decide what we can but when we visit a supermarket. But with everyone of these petitions the pressure builds on him. Be interesting if ANY of the media pick up on these REJECTED petitions.

Theres a petition regarding the gyms staying open, something i personally feel quite strongly about, thats up to 20k signatures now as well.

Hopefully they are more considered for the next firebreak we have.

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

i dont think its that simple to be honest, and its got nothing to do with comparing drakeford and boris. i think a majority of people, while frustrated understand the reasoning behind another lockdown. However the level of control they are trying to put on us is quite rightly getting a backlash.

and its not about "surely you can survive 17 days without a new jumper" but its overkill for the state to be rifling through our trollies to tell us what is and isnt deemed essential

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

He's much worse, he has locked down with much lower rates than in England. He is making it up as he goes along and stopping people move around, and now a total lockdown.

Personally, I can cope with the lockdown fine, but he should have realised the public is not with him on this and are fed up with his petty politics trying to outdo the English by having a lower death rate while killing the Welsh economy in the process. Yes, we can all manage without a new toaster for 17 days but not no jobs or prospects for our children and grandchildren's future!

Drakeford is coming under increasing pressure and not only over this petition on Supermarkets and non essential items, There were 3 petitions rejected over the weekend:

Remove Mark Drakeford and Vaughan Gething from office
Vote of no confidence in Mark Drakeford
Stop the Welsh Government using health protection legislation to remove civil rights of UK Citizens.

All were rejected because in the case of the first 2 because petitions are not allowed that involve appointments or resignations. The 3rd petition was rejected because it was "Unclear" what it was asking the Welsh Government to do. Here is how that petition was worded.

During 2020 the Welsh government has used health protection legislation to remove the civil rights of the Welsh public with laws that equate to placing society under house arrest. These rules have not gone through due process and had royal decree as a result of loop holes in the health protection legislation.

I think that is clear the Law and civil liberty legislation is NOT a devolved power, that lies with Westminster, so this Welsh Labour Government are using a back door, Public Health, to impose restrictions on ALL our civil liberties. The control runs so deep they will stop any attempt by the Welsh Public to push back at them. Why does Lukashenko and Belarus come to mind.

Drakeford is running a Nanny State in Wales where he believes he needs he can decide what we can but when we visit a supermarket. But with everyone of these petitions the pressure builds on him. Be interesting if ANY of the media pick up on these REJECTED petitions.

Good post

I think they will pick up on it, they have been all over the non-essential items, and will now have an idea of the unrest building here in Wales.

THOMASBLUE....
yes i do know old people { the ones we are endlessly told this whole thing is about } without internet access... but if i put a fact up, it is a fact....4% of the UK population is millions
as for the USA its FIVE times the population of the UK.. even WAG use figures per 100k
and who are these best in the world anti tin opener scientists ?

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

He's much worse, he has locked down with much lower rates than in England. He is making it up as he goes along and stopping people move around, and now a total lockdown.

Personally, I can cope with the lockdown fine, but he should have realised the public is not with him on this and are fed up with his petty politics trying to outdo the English by having a lower death rate while killing the Welsh economy in the process. Yes, we can all manage without a new toaster for 17 days but not no jobs or prospects for our children and grandchildren's future!

Andrew Lawrence view, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMzuY5tviE

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

He's much worse, he has locked down with much lower rates than in England. He is making it up as he goes along and stopping people move around, and now a total lockdown.

Personally, I can cope with the lockdown fine, but he should have realised the public is not with him on this and are fed up with his petty politics trying to outdo the English by having a lower death rate while killing the Welsh economy in the process. Yes, we can all manage without a new toaster for 17 days but not no jobs or prospects for our children and grandchildren's future!

He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.

Do people really think drakeford is worse than boris
If people would obey the rules this first time around we would' nt need a 2nd lockdown look at manchester the reason they have had testrictions for so long and it has' nt improved is because they are just ignoring the rules
When the 1st lockdown came in it worked because it was a new thing and people where crapping themselves
Now unfortunatly the attidude is i am not bothered send all these people into a covid ward.

i think people are bothered mate , but they are also slowly beginning to realise a few things like that this is not going away anytime soon...its wrecking the economy...and most importantly we can not continue to prioritise our health resources for something that will kill 7% of us , over the other things that will kill 93% ..Boris ? might be a lot of things but a power crazy tinpot dictator whose main objective is not us the people but beating your neighbours no matter what the cost..{ cost in avoidable deaths as well as the economy }

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I don't want to be one of the 7%.
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[quote="stickywicket"]I don't want to be one of the 7%.
f**k business as Boris, said.
I want to get back in Ccs

Get the kettle on luv

THOMASBLUE....
yes i do know old people { the ones we are endlessly told this whole thing is about } without internet access... but if i put a fact up, it is a fact....4% of the UK population is millions
as for the USA its FIVE times the population of the UK.. even WAG use figures per 100k
and who are these best in the world anti tin opener scientists ?

But you are twisting figures to make a point

You are including every single person in the UK in the figures when that doesn't give a true representation of the people this is effecting. For start we have a population of about 68million , 18 million of which are under 16 and do not shop for themselves.
Another very large percentage are disabled or in care who have people to shop for them. Then take into account the average household is 4 people ( at least one will have access to the Internet via a mobile phone at least)

There is no way on earth that million people in this country cannot access the Internet

The government official website states that 96% of households in 2020 have Internet access through a smart device. That is FACT