WAG again OMG

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

True but its the capital city, London is miles more densely populated, so would Birmingham be, and the rest of Wales is thinly spread out.

That is a fair point about it being a capital city, unfortunately when it comes to statistics London is quite a tricky city. Very few countries have their largest city being 5 or 6 times bigger than the 2nd largest city.

You are right of course about London having a higher population density, 5,630 p/sqkm, compared to Cardiff, 4,370 p/sqkm, but Birmingham is actually smaller, 4,076 p/sqkm (admittedly a surprise to me when I found out).
And yes I do agree that the rest of Wales is more thinly spread out but my point I was considering is that over a third of our country is potentially living in a denser population than a third of England's population.

Whilst I don't know the actual figures I was making the point that just because England has a population density of 450 p/sqkm and Wales has 150 p/sqkm that doesn't necessarily means that our Covid cases should be 3x smaller as total population density isn't an accurate measure.

An example I gave to Skidemin, Australia has a population density of just 3 people per square kilometre but suggesting that their Covid cases should be 50x less than ours or 150x less than England's would be a ridiculous statement because cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Brisbane all have millions of inhabitants each.

There is no perfect measure for population density in this scenario, my way doesn't take into account the entire population whereas your way doesn't account for individual cities densities. It's one of the reasons there is no obvious and simple solution to the current situation and why there are so many differing strategies, opinions, approaches.

If there's one positive from all this, It's certainly made for interesting debates

Great facts, what you say sounds logical I hadn't really thought of it like that, they are good debates and interesting to see what happens

I like to think that I have a balanced point of view based on clear information and taking things on face value.

And before i go into my view let me say i am as pissed off as the next man with all this covid crap, however we are where we are.
1. The Welsh Fire Brake is for 17 days only !! ( As stated by GW) many of the English areas entering Tier 3 are going into their restrictions for a MINIMUM of 28 days ( no exit time has been given)

2. Tier 3 in England is not much different to that of the Wales Fire Brake as far as restrictions

3. Can anyone honestly say that the English method of challenging covid is working with infection rates far higher than that of Wales. (England 1 person in 100 infected and wales its 1 person in 180).

4. Which ever way WG cut it on the FIre Brake its going to piss some people off, the media will always find someone with an issue to moan about. This Crisis is the biggest issue the WORLD has faced in 80 years, and the impact of it will be felt for many years to come, we all need to get our heads around the fact that we are living in a NEW NORMAL

All of us ( including our politicians)need to get our heads around the fact that we are all in shit-street together.

Give Dripford some credit in the fact that they are trying something that the SAGE suggested some weeks ago and if it slows the infections to a state that maybe us in Wales can have something of a better Christmas, then surely we can put up with not being able to buy a kettle until a week Monday

We should have a lower infection rate we are a much less densely populated Country most areas have more sheep than people.

He's just playing party/petty Politics, deliberately choosing to take harsher measures than England every time, he wants to come out of this with credit for best UK survival rate when he will really be remembered as the idiot that fecked the economy and Welsh tourist Industry.

Population density alone isn't the best measure. As a country we may be less densely populated but roughly 35% of our population is situated in just 3 urban centres, in England however the population is much more spread out. To reach a total of 35% of England's population you're looking at about 8 or 9 cities combined.

Cardiff alone actually has a higher population density than Liverpool, Derby, Bristol, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, etc. In fact Cardiff's urban area is ranked the 12th most densely populated region in the UK.

True but its the capital city, London is miles more densely populated, so would Birmingham be, and the rest of Wales is thinly spread out.

That is a fair point about it being a capital city, unfortunately when it comes to statistics London is quite a tricky city. Very few countries have their largest city being 5 or 6 times bigger than the 2nd largest city.

You are right of course about London having a higher population density, 5,630 p/sqkm, compared to Cardiff, 4,370 p/sqkm, but Birmingham is actually smaller, 4,076 p/sqkm (admittedly a surprise to me when I found out).
And yes I do agree that the rest of Wales is more thinly spread out but my point I was considering is that over a third of our country is potentially living in a denser population than a third of England's population.

Whilst I don't know the actual figures I was making the point that just because England has a population density of 450 p/sqkm and Wales has 150 p/sqkm that doesn't necessarily means that our Covid cases should be 3x smaller as total population density isn't an accurate measure.

An example I gave to Skidemin, Australia has a population density of just 3 people per square kilometre but suggesting that their Covid cases should be 50x less than ours or 150x less than England's would be a ridiculous statement because cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Brisbane all have millions of inhabitants each.

There is no perfect measure for population density in this scenario, my way doesn't take into account the entire population whereas your way doesn't account for individual cities densities. It's one of the reasons there is no obvious and simple solution to the current situation and why there are so many differing strategies, opinions, approaches.

If there's one positive from all this, It's certainly made for interesting debates

Great facts, what you say sounds logical I hadn't really thought of it like that, they are good debates and interesting to see what happens

Fair play for being civil mate like I said I’m not trying to say you’re wrong just give a second perspective.

When Wales' national 17-day lockdown comes to an end on 9 November, there will not be a return to local restrictions. Instead, First Minister Mark Drakeford said he would announce on Monday a set of national rules "for the sake of clarity and simplicity"