Some may agree and some won’t but that’s ok !!

maybe they've not tested enough of the country yet to get DNA from the % they want!

Won't be long until they have most of the country on file! That plus very little cash. They eradicate cash and go to contactless / card only and how much is that worth to the economy between tax dodging etc.

Think there is a virus in covid, but defo think its been manipulated for a reason.... Who knows

The last time we had something like this, I can't remember its name, 1 in 3 people died. It was a century or so ago and we did not have the communications to prepare for it like we do today. As you say Covid came out at the start of the year and by March we were in Lockdown. If its as bad as that plaque a century or ago then thanks to our communications we have prevented it killing 1 in 3. Something to keep on the back of your mind with the operative word IF.

who in their right mind...or even completely out of their mind has suggested this is anything like the Spanish flu ?

Well I guess no one directly whatever their skill set but you would think they are implying it going n the scare tactics being used.

the Spanish flu and more recent epidemics have been visible in that you went to work and a large percentage of the workforce were home actually ill..family members were or had been ill. . you knew the dead because they were mates, work colleagues , neighbours and relatives.. and far from communications being positive its been negative in that people are being scared by what they are told or what they read and mostly by numbers which seem big to them.. as opposed to what they see.... the Spanish flu btw was far less selective in who it killed.. covid would have had very little effect back in the early 1900s because those that covid kills , average age 82 with muliple existing illnesses would have already been dead back then as they wouldnt have had their lives prolonged by a multitude of treatments, opps, drugs and generally a healthier life style...

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

And just like I said towards the end of my post. That we will be on a total lockdown under Marshal law.
Well yesterday Boris Stated he could put the military on our streets to enforce the law.
Conspiracy theorist am I ?

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

Chill out we will have a workable vaccine by March 2021

The whole world is working on it and nine are almost ready now!

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

Chill out we will have a workable vaccine by March 2021

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dail ... ports.html







The whole world is working on it and nine are almost ready now!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dail ... ports.html

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

Chill out we will have a workable vaccine by March 2021

The whole world is working on it and nine are almost ready now!

the whole world spends billions every single year trying to make all sorts of vaccines... and yes even when they think they have a goer it takes years of trials.... that was his point.
and yes i would be concerned about sticking something in me that has not had proper clinical trials... youve really got to be going through a hell of a lot of washing powder Daz a lot of underepants to think thats the lesser of two evils...

Here we go again, why on earth would they lie, you are saying they are doing this, of course they want to ruin the country put us in recession, that must be their aim why they are lying. It will only cost them billions. Yes lets use common sense
Another 212 deaths yesterday(rising again) hospital admissions doubling every day, infections increasing exponantialy but don' t worry its all a lie.[/quote


why put figures up that are not even the government exaggerated ones... theyve already thrown in a few RTA deaths who tested positive 27 days ago as it is ..
or are you using the R formula.. take a number and multiply it by whatever figure jumps into your head ?

Using the spread bollocks formula. Wonder how many people he told there were 212 deaths before being called on it on here?

Here we go again, why on earth would they lie, you are saying they are doing this, of course they want to ruin the country put us in recession, that must be their aim why they are lying. It will only cost them billions. Yes lets use common sense
Another 212 deaths yesterday(rising again) hospital admissions doubling every day, infections increasing exponantialy but don' t worry its all a lie.[/quote


why put figures up that are not even the government exaggerated ones... theyve already thrown in a few RTA deaths who tested positive 27 days ago as it is ..
or are you using the R formula.. take a number and multiply it by whatever figure jumps into your head ?

Using the spread bollocks formula. Wonder how many people he told there were 212 deaths before being called on it on here?

It was pointed out to me that I had it wrong and I admitted that I did, I suppose you never get anything wrong in your life, at least I made a genuine mistake, not like all the conspiracy theorists on here just spreading fake news. Also it seems to me that a lot of what is posted about the Covid19 is political. Not all of us are stupid enough to believe everything that is posted on here and in the media!

Ps, I never TOLD anyone only posters that read my post!

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

Chill out we will have a workable vaccine by March 2021

The whole world is working on it and nine are almost ready now!

the whole world spends billions every single year trying to make all sorts of vaccines... and yes even when they think they have a goer it takes years of trials.... that was his point.
and yes i would be concerned about sticking something in me that has not had proper clinical trials... youve really got to be going through a hell of a lot of washing powder Daz a lot of underepants to think thats the lesser of two evils...

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

Here we go again, why on earth would they lie, you are saying they are doing this, of course they want to ruin the country put us in recession, that must be their aim why they are lying. It will only cost them billions. Yes lets use common sense
Another 212 deaths yesterday(rising again) hospital admissions doubling every day, infections increasing exponantialy but don' t worry its all a lie.[/quote


why put figures up that are not even the government exaggerated ones... theyve already thrown in a few RTA deaths who tested positive 27 days ago as it is ..
or are you using the R formula.. take a number and multiply it by whatever figure jumps into your head ?

Using the spread bollocks formula. Wonder how many people he told there were 212 deaths before being called on it on here?

It was pointed out to me that I had it wrong and I admitted that I did, I suppose you never get anything wrong in your life, at least I made a genuine mistake, not like all the conspiracy theorists on here just spreading fake news. Also it seems to me that a lot of what is posted about the Covid19 is political. Not all of us are stupid enough to believe everything that is posted on here and in the media!

Ps, I never TOLD anyone only posters that read my post!

Spot on your original post pointed out that no government would deliberately damage their economy, which is correct

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

This doesn't mean all vaccine's are bad, god bless Mssr. Pasteur and his Cow Pox vaccine which has saved the lives of many, many millions for example (side note - that is where we actually get the word vaccine from - vacca is latin for cows). It is just that rushed testing of vaccines can lead to unknown, and often very, very bad side effects.

Equally, most people are not against a vaccine per see, it the idea of a vaccine being mandatory that sets off alarm bells.

To be clear as well, 'mandatory' vaccination might not neccessarily come in the way we assume.

It won't necessarily mean the government pinning us down and jabbing us in the arm, it is more likely that certain rights and freedoms are restricted for those who don't take it, so while being under the guise of voluntary it essentially becomes mandatory anyway.

We are already seeing the introduction of digital health passports to show if you have antibodies for the disease

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 20037.html

We are also already seeing talk of a need for Covid-19 'booster shots being an ongoing requirement

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ?r=US&IR=T

So is it really that big a leap to see a world of ongoing 'mandatory vaccination' and the erosion of civil rights of those who don't wish to comply and have the green light on their shiny new app? Possibly, possibly not - however, for me, it seems very ominous.

If you (not necessarily aimed solely at Bluebina, I mean anyone) are comfortable taking the vaccine and running the risks of possible unknown complications further down the line then that is your decision and should be your decision alone. However, if a percentage of the population having taken the vaccine are no longer vulnerable to the virus, what danger can an unvaccinated person who carries the virus, whether it be asymptomatiocally or not, be to that vaccinated population?

If someone sees a greater risk in taking a vaccine that has been produced faster than anything ever before, versus a virus that has an exceptionally low mortality rate amongst those under 75, shouldn't that simply be their choice as they can do no harm to those who have the vaccination so the only person they are potentially putting in danger is themselves?

'My body my choice' was the slogan of the day just 18 months ago in Ireland when they held their abortion referendum, now they seem to be leading the charge for mandatory vaccinations, with others closely behind. It's interesting how these slogans can suddenly be dropped when they become counter-productive for the prevailing narrative. Just one more great example of the pervasiveness of double think all around us I guess.

Whether you want to call it all a conspiracy theory or fake news or anything else, dive beyond the headlines and the information is clearly there. Some of us have taken the time to do so and make informed judgements. Others just repeat the empty rhetoric they are spoon fed (again not referring to you personally Bluebina, just in people general)

While some people may blindly believe what they read on the internet, the flip side is that many, many others simply don't take the time to properly read and understand what is openly available to them.

I'm all for people who want to take a vaccine as soon it is available being able to do so, all power to you, get the jab and get on with your lives, and deal with the consequences (if there are any) come what May.

But I'll just wait here quietly at the back of the queue for as long as I can.

A lot of good points made on here, but I wonder why any government would grind their economy into the ground on lies about a pandemic.

Exactly virtually every country in the World has brought in some measures and had a negative effect on their economies. they've done it for fun as the virus is a hoax according to some of these

Why do governments try and exaggerate the dangers, to get through to the real thicko's that can't take a subtle message of we need you to start taking slightly less risk to reduce the spread of the virus.

right...got it
the figures were not frightening enough so the government exaggerated them to get the thickos on board...
and now your on board ?

My view is that the govt relaxed the lockdown to give the tourist and hospitality industry a chance to save their businesses over the school summer holidays.
A second wave was always predicted for the autumn, so i dont know why anyone is surprised that more restrictions are being implemented.

All I think the govt is trying to do now is to get the best balance they can, between keeping as much of the economy open as they can, whilst keeping the case numbers limited so not to put excess pressure on the nhs.
Theyve got to do this as long as possible until a vaccine is ready.

until what vaccine is ready ?
how long will it take ? will this magic vaccine be properly tested or will it join a multitude of drugs that work but years later are found to have serious side effects worse than what it vacinates against ?
how many years has there been flu vaccines... and why is there a huge yearly fluctuation in how effective the flu vaccine is after all this time..

Vacines take on average of six years to produce go through trials and to see if they actually work etc. There is a Flu vaccine but it isn’t very reliable with reports it’s less than 30% effective. If anyone is waiting in a vaccine then youare in for a long wait

Chill out we will have a workable vaccine by March 2021

The whole world is working on it and nine are almost ready now!

the whole world spends billions every single year trying to make all sorts of vaccines... and yes even when they think they have a goer it takes years of trials.... that was his point.
and yes i would be concerned about sticking something in me that has not had proper clinical trials... youve really got to be going through a hell of a lot of washing powder Daz a lot of underepants to think thats the lesser of two evils...

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

nice try but youve made it crystal clear youve been terrified over a few months of posts..and thats fair enough...as you quite rightly said yourself the government exaggerated to scare people like yourself { thickos i think you described yourself as, bit harsh but eh oh } ..and it worked ..
but how about dealing with the questions re vaccines... why would you think its going to work any better than a flu vaccine ? which tbh is a bit hit and miss... and why would you put something in your body thats not been tested adequately... oh and youve assumed it would be by injection...

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

You are aware that your article says that 2 people were paralysed and there was a suspected further 11 cases leading to a grand total of 13.
Go back 20 years and you're looking at 75,000 paralysed children in Africa a year from polio.

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

You are aware that your article says that 2 people were paralysed and there was a suspected further 11 cases leading to a grand total of 13.
Go back 20 years and you're looking at 75,000 paralysed children in Africa a year from polio.

Would any vaccine prevent the person from getting Covid - and thus transmitting it, or just limiting it's impact. Either way I think the medical community/Government are naive in assuming everyone will opt to receive a vaccine that has only months of pathology behind it. I'm oldish, not quite 70, but being reasonably fit and healthy would choose not have it..

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

You are aware that your article says that 2 people were paralysed and there was a suspected further 11 cases leading to a grand total of 13.
Go back 20 years and you're looking at 75,000 paralysed children in Africa a year from polio.

i think his general point was more to do with rushing tests and the blind belief/clamour there seems to be to stick something in your body that normally you wouldnt consider... was a long time ago but my Auntie took thalidomide.. the result was my cousin was born with no arms.. just hands attached to his shoulders.. its because of things like this that clinical trials now take so long...

A lot of good points made on here, but I wonder why any government would grind their economy into the ground on lies about a pandemic.

Exactly virtually every country in the World has brought in some measures and had a negative effect on their economies. they've done it for fun as the virus is a hoax according to some of these

Why do governments try and exaggerate the dangers, to get through to the real thicko's that can't take a subtle message of we need you to start taking slightly less risk to reduce the spread of the virus.

right...got it
the figures were not frightening enough so the government exaggerated them to get the thickos on board...
and now your on board ?

I was always on board, some of the thicko's will need a bit more drip feeding, and some will never get it

A lot of good points made on here, but I wonder why any government would grind their economy into the ground on lies about a pandemic.

Exactly virtually every country in the World has brought in some measures and had a negative effect on their economies. they've done it for fun as the virus is a hoax according to some of these

Why do governments try and exaggerate the dangers, to get through to the real thicko's that can't take a subtle message of we need you to start taking slightly less risk to reduce the spread of the virus.

right...got it
the figures were not frightening enough so the government exaggerated them to get the thickos on board...
and now your on board ?

I was always on board, some of the thicko's will need a bit more drip feeding, and some will never get it

yes on board a plane for a holiday...

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

This doesn't mean all vaccine's are bad, god bless Mssr. Pasteur and his Cow Pox vaccine which has saved the lives of many, many millions for example (side note - that is where we actually get the word vaccine from - vacca is latin for cows). It is just that rushed testing of vaccines can lead to unknown, and often very, very bad side effects.

Equally, most people are not against a vaccine per see, it the idea of a vaccine being mandatory that sets off alarm bells.

To be clear as well, 'mandatory' vaccination might not neccessarily come in the way we assume.

It won't necessarily mean the government pinning us down and jabbing us in the arm, it is more likely that certain rights and freedoms are restricted for those who don't take it, so while being under the guise of voluntary it essentially becomes mandatory anyway.

We are already seeing the introduction of digital health passports to show if you have antibodies for the disease

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 20037.html

We are also already seeing talk of a need for Covid-19 'booster shots being an ongoing requirement

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ?r=US&IR=T

So is it really that big a leap to see a world of ongoing 'mandatory vaccination' and the erosion of civil rights of those who don't wish to comply and have the green light on their shiny new app? Possibly, possibly not - however, for me, it seems very ominous.

If you (not necessarily aimed solely at Bluebina, I mean anyone) are comfortable taking the vaccine and running the risks of possible unknown complications further down the line then that is your decision and should be your decision alone. However, if a percentage of the population having taken the vaccine are no longer vulnerable to the virus, what danger can an unvaccinated person who carries the virus, whether it be asymptomatiocally or not, be to that vaccinated population?

If someone sees a greater risk in taking a vaccine that has been produced faster than anything ever before, versus a virus that has an exceptionally low mortality rate amongst those under 75, shouldn't that simply be their choice as they can do no harm to those who have the vaccination so the only person they are potentially putting in danger is themselves?

'My body my choice' was the slogan of the day just 18 months ago in Ireland when they held their abortion referendum, now they seem to be leading the charge for mandatory vaccinations, with others closely behind. It's interesting how these slogans can suddenly be dropped when they become counter-productive for the prevailing narrative. Just one more great example of the pervasiveness of double think all around us I guess.

Whether you want to call it all a conspiracy theory or fake news or anything else, dive beyond the headlines and the information is clearly there. Some of us have taken the time to do so and make informed judgements. Others just repeat the empty rhetoric they are spoon fed (again not referring to you personally Bluebina, just in people general)

While some people may blindly believe what they read on the internet, the flip side is that many, many others simply don't take the time to properly read and understand what is openly available to them.

I'm all for people who want to take a vaccine as soon it is available being able to do so, all power to you, get the jab and get on with your lives, and deal with the consequences (if there are any) come what May.

But I'll just wait here quietly at the back of the queue for as long as I can.

OK fair enough decent reply, personally I think the best brains in the World will be working on this, and although it will be rushed, I believe it will still be adequately tested and perfectly safe.

I'll have one especially if it means I can get back to 100% life and holidays, pubs, football and full social activities, although being reasonably fit with no illness's or medications, i'll probably have to wait in line, but will get it as quick as I can.

I take the point that we are not sure yet in what form it will take, whether it's full immunity, short term, or just something that will make it less dangerous, but anything will be an improvement on the current limitations

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

This doesn't mean all vaccine's are bad, god bless Mssr. Pasteur and his Cow Pox vaccine which has saved the lives of many, many millions for example (side note - that is where we actually get the word vaccine from - vacca is latin for cows). It is just that rushed testing of vaccines can lead to unknown, and often very, very bad side effects.

You are aware that your article says that 2 people were paralysed and there was a suspected further 11 cases leading to a grand total of 13.
Go back 20 years and you're looking at 75,000 paralysed children in Africa a year from polio.

I've extended the quote to reintroduce the context you missed and underlined the two salient points.

Extended trials are there for a reason, there can be unknown side effects that could have further ramifications down the line. The WHO article is an example of such an unknown side effect, regardless of the number of those affected.

The article cited above was the most recent example of such an occurrence I am aware of.

If you want something with a wider impact lets take a look at the Gates Foundations trials of a Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis (DTP) vaccine in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa.

For reference,the study was comissioned by the Danish government and Novo Nordisk Foundation. It was conducted by a team of the world’s leading experts on African vaccination and the two leading authors of the paper Soren Mogensen and Peter Aaby, are both pro vaccine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360569/

It's a long paper so i'll give you the key takeaway. When unvaccinated controls were normal children who had not yet been eligible for vaccination, mortality was 5 times higher for DTP-vaccinated children

Secondly, I explicitly stated that doesn't mean that all vaccines are bad. However the rush to release a vaccine for a virus with such a low morbidity rate is worrying.

You want to take a risk on a rushed vaccine, fill your boots - as I posted earlier that is your choice and your choice alone.

It is only when talk starts veering towards the 'collective good' and mandatory vaccinations that I will raise my objections.

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

This doesn't mean all vaccine's are bad, god bless Mssr. Pasteur and his Cow Pox vaccine which has saved the lives of many, many millions for example (side note - that is where we actually get the word vaccine from - vacca is latin for cows). It is just that rushed testing of vaccines can lead to unknown, and often very, very bad side effects.

Equally, most people are not against a vaccine per see, it the idea of a vaccine being mandatory that sets off alarm bells.

To be clear as well, 'mandatory' vaccination might not neccessarily come in the way we assume.

It won't necessarily mean the government pinning us down and jabbing us in the arm, it is more likely that certain rights and freedoms are restricted for those who don't take it, so while being under the guise of voluntary it essentially becomes mandatory anyway.

We are already seeing the introduction of digital health passports to show if you have antibodies for the disease

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 20037.html

We are also already seeing talk of a need for Covid-19 'booster shots being an ongoing requirement

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ?r=US&IR=T

So is it really that big a leap to see a world of ongoing 'mandatory vaccination' and the erosion of civil rights of those who don't wish to comply and have the green light on their shiny new app? Possibly, possibly not - however, for me, it seems very ominous.

If you (not necessarily aimed solely at Bluebina, I mean anyone) are comfortable taking the vaccine and running the risks of possible unknown complications further down the line then that is your decision and should be your decision alone. However, if a percentage of the population having taken the vaccine are no longer vulnerable to the virus, what danger can an unvaccinated person who carries the virus, whether it be asymptomatiocally or not, be to that vaccinated population?

If someone sees a greater risk in taking a vaccine that has been produced faster than anything ever before, versus a virus that has an exceptionally low mortality rate amongst those under 75, shouldn't that simply be their choice as they can do no harm to those who have the vaccination so the only person they are potentially putting in danger is themselves?

'My body my choice' was the slogan of the day just 18 months ago in Ireland when they held their abortion referendum, now they seem to be leading the charge for mandatory vaccinations, with others closely behind. It's interesting how these slogans can suddenly be dropped when they become counter-productive for the prevailing narrative. Just one more great example of the pervasiveness of double think all around us I guess.

Whether you want to call it all a conspiracy theory or fake news or anything else, dive beyond the headlines and the information is clearly there. Some of us have taken the time to do so and make informed judgements. Others just repeat the empty rhetoric they are spoon fed (again not referring to you personally Bluebina, just in people general)

While some people may blindly believe what they read on the internet, the flip side is that many, many others simply don't take the time to properly read and understand what is openly available to them.

I'm all for people who want to take a vaccine as soon it is available being able to do so, all power to you, get the jab and get on with your lives, and deal with the consequences (if there are any) come what May.

But I'll just wait here quietly at the back of the queue for as long as I can.

OK fair enough decent reply, personally I think the best brains in the World will be working on this, and although it will be rushed, I believe it will still be adequately tested and perfectly safe.

I'll have one especially if it means I can get back to 100% life and holidays, pubs, football and full social activities, although being reasonably fit with no illness's or medications, i'll probably have to wait in line, but will get it as quick as I can.

I take the point that we are not sure yet in what form it will take, whether it's full immunity, short term, or just something that will make it less dangerous, but anything will be an improvement on the current limitations

Fiar play mate, like I say I think it should 100% just be down to the individual. If you feel the trade is worth it, which a lot of people will, then you should do what you feel is best for you. Don't get me wrong, I'd bloody love to be back to the way things were 6 months ago.

Thanks for the decent reply

When this report made headlines, at the beginning of January this year - "Dominic Cummings calls for 'weirdos and misfits' for No 10 jobs" - we should have guessed that something really bad was coming. Cummings said he wanted to bring in “super-talented weirdos”. According to The Guardian article "Cummings told potential applicants that the government’s large majority means that it can take unpopular risks that others have had to avoid". So when people wonder WHY would any sane individual or Government do something like this, here is the answer; this IS NOT a sane Government and it is being run by people like 'Cummings' who - as the Guardian reported - is an 'evil genius'. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... no-10-jobs

A lot of good points made on here, but I wonder why any government would grind their economy into the ground on lies about a pandemic.

Exactly virtually every country in the World has brought in some measures and had a negative effect on their economies. they've done it for fun as the virus is a hoax according to some of these

Why do governments try and exaggerate the dangers, to get through to the real thicko's that can't take a subtle message of we need you to start taking slightly less risk to reduce the spread of the virus.

right...got it
the figures were not frightening enough so the government exaggerated them to get the thickos on board...
and now your on board ?

I was always on board, some of the thicko's will need a bit more drip feeding, and some will never get it

yes on board a plane for a holiday...

Yes within the rules and guidelines at the time, we now need to help the country by being more cautious, and reduce the spread which I will happily do

Keep learning and reading you'll get it eventually

When this report made headlines, at the beginning of January this year - "Dominic Cummings calls for 'weirdos and misfits' for No 10 jobs" - we should have guessed that something really bad was coming. Cummings said he wanted to bring in “super-talented weirdos”. According to The Guardian article "Cummings told potential applicants that the government’s large majority means that it can take unpopular risks that others have had to avoid". So when people wonder WHY would any sane individual or Government do something like this, here is the answer; this IS NOT a sane Government and it is being run by people like 'Cummings' who - as the Guardian reported - is an 'evil genius'. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... no-10-jobs

Way too many evil geniuses around the world for me to keep up with. None as evil or as clever as Dr Evil & mini me ( RIP Verne).

Here we go again, why on earth would they lie, you are saying they are doing this, of course they want to ruin the country put us in recession, that must be their aim why they are lying. It will only cost them billions. Yes lets use common sense
Another 212 deaths yesterday(rising again) hospital admissions doubling every day, infections increasing exponantialy but don' t worry its all a lie.[/quote


why put figures up that are not even the government exaggerated ones... theyve already thrown in a few RTA deaths who tested positive 27 days ago as it is ..
or are you using the R formula.. take a number and multiply it by whatever figure jumps into your head ?

Using the spread bollocks formula. Wonder how many people he told there were 212 deaths before being called on it on here?

It was pointed out to me that I had it wrong and I admitted that I did, I suppose you never get anything wrong in your life, at least I made a genuine mistake, not like all the conspiracy theorists on here just spreading fake news. Also it seems to me that a lot of what is posted about the Covid19 is political. Not all of us are stupid enough to believe everything that is posted on here and in the media!

Ps, I never TOLD anyone only posters that read my post!

It wasn’t meant as a personal dig but it does look that way so I apologise. I meant the spread bollocks formula that exists on the internet in general and get passed as fact. I’m always hearing it.

Sorry bud.

There was a comment on here stating no country would deliberately destroy there own economy ? Well we have and other countries have as well. Sweden didn’t and they are doing just fine.
And I got told by someone in the Pharma business it takes that long to safely produce a vaccine and try. Plenty of times after six they have found it doesn’t work so it was scrapped. So no they can’t physically produce no vaccine especially for a virus that changes all the time. The flu I believe is only around 30% effective and so his and miss.
How the living Fook can they have a vaccine for next years virus that basically hasn’t mutated yet. It guess work

Oh God you think the virus is fine, and your shit scared of a little needle, some people believe everything the read on the interweb

WIth all due respect, I don't think the majority of people are scared of a little needle, it's what that little needle will put into our bodies and the potential unknown effect of that.

Quick recent example, the World Health Organisation only a few weeks ago made a statement on an outbreak in Sudan of vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-septembe ... -sudan/en/

You are aware that your article says that 2 people were paralysed and there was a suspected further 11 cases leading to a grand total of 13.
Go back 20 years and you're looking at 75,000 paralysed children in Africa a year from polio.

i think his general point was more to do with rushing tests and the blind belief/clamour there seems to be to stick something in your body that normally you wouldnt consider... was a long time ago but my Auntie took thalidomide.. the result was my cousin was born with no arms.. just hands attached to his shoulders.. its because of things like this that clinical trials now take so long...

Something I completely agree with