Want to gauge opinion POLL

Read this if you're going to use Sweden as an example, to suggest they did nothing and were fine is a complete myth and shows the misinformation thats spreading, people that get their news from social media should really watch the Social Dilemma on Netflix, might open a few eyes.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectious ... id19/87812

My view is there are just as bad if not worse viruses out there and nothing was shut down. And I do believe there is something very sinister going on with the world elites including using this to get rid of trump.

So the world just about closed down and thousands of businesses in every country went out of business just to get rid of Trump? f**k me, that is without doubt the craziest thing I have ever heard.

My view is there are just as bad if not worse viruses out there and nothing was shut down. And I do believe there is something very sinister going on with the world elites including using this to get rid of trump.

So the world just about closed down and thousands of businesses in every country went out of business just to get rid of Trump? f**k me, that is without doubt the craziest thing I have ever heard.

You'd be surprised how many idiots actually believe that.

For me it’s very dangerous and the truth is that nobody really knows too much about how it will in the winter months when it mixes with flu.
The government has made a tough job into an absolute mess.....everything fell apart post Cummings and now the true effect in mental health is starting to show with increased sucides etc, businesses closing ...

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Its so deadly they have to test you to see if you have it

Cancer is deadly isn't it you need a test for that

yes.. ill pop down the local cancer testing tent now..i have no symptoms but was in a bar 2 days ago where there was a bloke who got diagnosed with cancer yesterday..

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Been meaning to ask this for a while.

This whole the death was put down as caused by covid 19, if I'm honest I don't believe it.

Somone has to sign a death certificate, I signed my dad's, and something was wrong on it which I had changed.

There is no way I would sign a death certificate of a relative if I thought it was wrong and you need the death certificate before you can arrange the funeral.

If this was as big an issue an people reckon then there would be disputes left right and center

Whatever you think of the disease I don't believe for one second that it's being minapalted by the NHS

Its so deadly they have to test you to see if you have it

Cancer is deadly isn't it you need a test for that

yes.. ill pop down the local cancer testing tent now..i have no symptoms but was in a bar 2 days ago where there was a bloke who got diagnosed with cancer yesterday..

Missing my point . I think covid19 is deadly and is very serious, someone I know lost their father to it

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Been meaning to ask this for a while.

This whole the death was put down as caused by covid 19, if I'm honest I don't believe it.

Somone has to sign a death certificate, I signed my dad's, and something was wrong on it which I had changed.

There is no way I would sign a death certificate of a relative if I thought it was wrong and you need the death certificate before you can arrange the funeral.

If this was as big an issue an people reckon then there would be disputes left right and center

Whatever you think of the disease I don't believe for one second that it's being minapalted by the NHS

I can’t speak on a personal level, as thankfully I’ve had no family pass away during this Pandemic. My mate is the only person I know who has experienced this and he’s not one to lie about something like that. All the rest I’ve heard have been on social media.
Sorry to hear about your Dad.

Yes as the death toll speaks for itself the first time round

No for the second wave as more people with die from lack of treatment as NHS has shut up shop for things like cancer! Also the number of suicides you will see over the next few months will be frightening.

Stay safe all bluebird and football fans x

Yes from me. Knowing people who have died from It, it is very real.

Having lost someone very close to me (my age) a no-brainer really.

It’s dangerous because it’s so contagious and if the wrong people catch it they die, simple.

That’s why all of us have to comply, pain in the arse or not.

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Been meaning to ask this for a while.

This whole the death was put down as caused by covid 19, if I'm honest I don't believe it.

Somone has to sign a death certificate, I signed my dad's, and something was wrong on it which I had changed.

There is no way I would sign a death certificate of a relative if I thought it was wrong and you need the death certificate before you can arrange the funeral.

If this was as big an issue an people reckon then there would be disputes left right and center

Whatever you think of the disease I don't believe for one second that it's being minapalted by the NHS

I can’t speak on a personal level, as thankfully I’ve had no family pass away during this Pandemic. My mate is the only person I know who has experienced this and he’s not one to lie about something like that. All the rest I’ve heard have been on social media.
Sorry to hear about your Dad.

Thanks, two questions for you and I'm not being funny mate, I'm genuinly interested or I think this will be massive in the future enquiry.

How sure are you that they put Covid as the cause and not a contributory factor? And why did your mate sign the death certificate if he didn't think it was the cause.

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

Its so deadly they have to test you to see if you have it

Cancer is deadly isn't it you need a test for that

yes.. ill pop down the local cancer testing tent now..i have no symptoms but was in a bar 2 days ago where there was a bloke who got diagnosed with cancer yesterday..

Missing my point . I think covid19 is deadly and is very serious, someone I know lost their father to it

i think you missed his... all the people going to these testing facilities either have mild symptoms { of something } or fear they might have it asymptomatically through contact with another positive... 98 % do not have it..and of the 2% that do no more than 1% have it seriously ...people who are really ill tend to by pass test facilities

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Been meaning to ask this for a while.

This whole the death was put down as caused by covid 19, if I'm honest I don't believe it.

Somone has to sign a death certificate, I signed my dad's, and something was wrong on it which I had changed.

There is no way I would sign a death certificate of a relative if I thought it was wrong and you need the death certificate before you can arrange the funeral.

If this was as big an issue an people reckon then there would be disputes left right and center

Whatever you think of the disease I don't believe for one second that it's being minapalted by the NHS

I can’t speak on a personal level, as thankfully I’ve had no family pass away during this Pandemic. My mate is the only person I know who has experienced this and he’s not one to lie about something like that. All the rest I’ve heard have been on social media.
Sorry to hear about your Dad.

Thanks, two questions for you and I'm not being funny mate, I'm genuinly interested or I think this will be massive in the future enquiry.

How sure are you that they put Covid as the cause and not a contributory factor? And why did your mate sign the death certificate if he didn't think it was the cause.

its defo happened to people i know.... and tbh ive been next of kin twice { not covid } and can not remember if i signed a death certificate or not... my fathers had pneumonia on it.. which was not what he was terminally ill with or why the doctor and nurses had been regularly visiting , in fact the very first mention was on his DC..id watched him die inch by inch for years and could see but had also been told he was very close to the end.. so when it came what word a DR put on his death certificate didnt much seem to matter..... the people i know who have lost relatives with covid on the DC have all said similar.. close to the end with one thing then its covid...i have no reason to doubt these people ..and it was common knowledge they had dying relatives ..
there is also these 5377 deaths that were scratched...
its the metro but you can find it in any of the papers... the figures and quotes are accurate..
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/12/uk-death ... -13121285/

and only last week a hospital accused of the virus spreading ward to ward that killed 18 were claiming many of the dead had been brought in seriously ill with other ailments and although having found covid probably died of the existing illness....

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.

she isnt back to normal or what used to be normal but is ok if that makes sense...thanks.

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.

she isnt back to normal or what used to be normal but is ok if that makes sense...thanks.

Hah,yeah I get where your coming from,taken me last 7 years to return to some kind of normal,now they telling me I got to get used to another one glad she is doing OK though,luckily (or not,depends on how you see things) went through same with dad Luckily he passed before this nonsense, as if they had put covid on his dc,there would have been a stink kicked up.

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.

she isnt back to normal or what used to be normal but is ok if that makes sense...thanks.

Hah,yeah I get where your coming from,taken me last 7 years to return to some kind of normal,now they telling me I got to get used to another one glad she is doing OK though,luckily (or not,depends on how you see things) went through same with dad Luckily he passed before this nonsense, as if they had put covid on his dc,there would have been a stink kicked up.

id probably kick off if i had covid on a relatives DC too due to the damage these numbers are doing... .but as ive put in another post when my dad died i didnt much care what word they used... and on that note.. i have my fingers crossed that my last years are not carers changing nappies , unable to shower or go toilet unattended and talking shite 24/7...id prefer a few years less tbh..

I voted No. I do believe it’s a disease that can effect some people like the elderly and people with underlying health issues in an adverse way and can also effect younger people with no underlying issues, mainly with only mild symptoms, but on a lesser scale can lead to serious illness and death. But somethings about this Pandemic don’t sit right with me. First of all it’s the amount of people that have died, that have on their death certificates been put down as a Covid related death. A friend of mine had a very elderly relative who had terminal cancer and was in Holmtower in Penarth. When he died they put down the cause as Covid 19! There are apparently many more like that.
Also, I’ve worked throughout this Pandemic in a place that employs around 1000 people, with social distancing not really adhered to. In that time only two people I know of have tested positive for Covid-19, surely we should have seen a lot more cases than that? When there have been a lot of flu about in past years, that has effected the sickness levels where I work far worse than Covid. I just find it bizarre!

Been meaning to ask this for a while.

This whole the death was put down as caused by covid 19, if I'm honest I don't believe it.

Somone has to sign a death certificate, I signed my dad's, and something was wrong on it which I had changed.

There is no way I would sign a death certificate of a relative if I thought it was wrong and you need the death certificate before you can arrange the funeral.

If this was as big an issue an people reckon then there would be disputes left right and center

Whatever you think of the disease I don't believe for one second that it's being minapalted by the NHS

I can’t speak on a personal level, as thankfully I’ve had no family pass away during this Pandemic. My mate is the only person I know who has experienced this and he’s not one to lie about something like that. All the rest I’ve heard have been on social media.
Sorry to hear about your Dad.

Thanks, two questions for you and I'm not being funny mate, I'm genuinly interested or I think this will be massive in the future enquiry.

How sure are you that they put Covid as the cause and not a contributory factor? And why did your mate sign the death certificate if he didn't think it was the cause.

As far as I know, his relative wasn’t someone like his mum or dad, so he probably didn’t have no say in what was on the Death Certificate and probably didn’t discuss that point with his family who were directly affected by it. I know he said they told him the death was Covid related, even though the relative was going to die of cancer anyway. In my own personal experience, my mother died in 2014 and I couldn’t tell you what was on the death certificate.

I voted No but maybe not so much ‘lied to’Just over the top precautions.

I was trying to think which way to word my response
This post sums up exactly what my thoughts are

Have a look at Kim Iversen talking about Sweden's success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f91Q5F ... KimIversen. Our politicians and our media will continue to tell us that Sweden failed. Well they would wouldn't they; they have cocked this up big time and now they must face the music. So they will claim that there was no other way.

Have a look at Kim Iversen talking about Sweden's success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f91Q5F ... KimIversen. Our politicians and our media will continue to tell us that Sweden failed. Well they would wouldn't they; they have cocked this up big time and now they must face the music. So they will claim that there was no other way.

Yet another one that believes the myth that Sweden succeed did nothing and came out unscathed and successful. Read this https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectious ... id19/87812

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

Have a look at Kim Iversen talking about Sweden's success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f91Q5F ... KimIversen. Our politicians and our media will continue to tell us that Sweden failed. Well they would wouldn't they; they have cocked this up big time and now they must face the music. So they will claim that there was no other way.

Yet another one that believes the myth that Sweden succeed did nothing and came out unscathed and successful. Read this https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectious ... id19/87812

If you read the whole article the explanation for Sweden's high death rate compared with it's Scandinavian neighbour's is the care home debacle which is mistake made by many Government's including our own.

It also point's out that Sweden has a high T cell ratio amongst the population. They haven't reached herd immunity yet but will in due course and be one of the first countries to do so.

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.

Have a look at Kim Iversen talking about Sweden's success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f91Q5F ... KimIversen. Our politicians and our media will continue to tell us that Sweden failed. Well they would wouldn't they; they have cocked this up big time and now they must face the music. So they will claim that there was no other way.

Yet another one that believes the myth that Sweden succeed did nothing and came out unscathed and successful. Read this https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectious ... id19/87812

If you read the whole article the explanation for Sweden's high death rate compared with it's Scandinavian neighbour's is the care home debacle which is mistake made by many Government's including our own.

It also point's out that Sweden has a high T cell ratio amongst the population. They haven't reached herd immunity yet but will in due course and be one of the first countries to do so.

Assuming you can.