Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:09 am
Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:33 am
Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:41 am
pembroke allan wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:55 am
bluesince62 wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure![]()
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselvesnot all of us are
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Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:50 pm
skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .
the public have been conditioned to be more afraid of something thats very unlikely to kill them than they are of things that ARE GOING TO KILL THEM... its criminal
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:53 pm
pembroke allan wrote:skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .
the public have been conditioned to be more afraid of something thats very unlikely to kill them than they are of things that ARE GOING TO KILL THEM... its criminal
Skid i volunteer in and around hospitals and nhs it is a complete mess corvid as taken over whole hospital infrastructures so limiting ability to treat or see patients... you cannot simply say we will target areas you need the staff and facilities to do so, Eg cancer patients
need radiotherapy you cannot just produce more machines to treat people you need the staff and means for patients to get to hospitals all of which are very limited .... same things applies to all parts nhs, there will be spike in deaths but suspect it will be suppressed as wont look good for gvmnt or nhs.
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:57 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure![]()
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselvesnot all of us are
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I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:57 pm
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:21 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Glad to see many are now seeing beyond the bullshit. The lies are there to see. But also sad to hear that family members of those on here are now suffering mental stress and illnesses due to being frightened to death. My mum is also very frightened of it and don’t go anywhere without her mask.
Some saying about the flu jab. Me personally I haven’t got anything against it. My wife has one every year but I won’t. Why ? Because something inside me is saying very strongly DON’T. Don’t know why I have no particular reason why but I will listen to my own senses and they say don’t, so i won’t.
And I won’t for Covid either. And if they try and force or tell you you can’t travel abroad etc if you don’t, then I would say there maybe something sinister about it.
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:27 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Glad to see many are now seeing beyond the bullshit. The lies are there to see. But also sad to hear that family members of those on here are now suffering mental stress and illnesses due to being frightened to death. My mum is also very frightened of it and don’t go anywhere without her mask.
Some saying about the flu jab. Me personally I haven’t got anything against it. My wife has one every year but I won’t. Why ? Because something inside me is saying very strongly DON’T. Don’t know why I have no particular reason why but I will listen to my own senses and they say don’t, so i won’t.
And I won’t for Covid either. And if they try and force or tell you you can’t travel abroad etc if you don’t, then I would say there maybe something sinister about it.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:37 am
bluesince62 wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure![]()
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselvesnot all of us are
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I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?
Thanks,I'm glad you aren't going to doubt my personal anecdote regards my family,as why would I post nonsense,and involve family in it? I can say with hand on heart,it has altered their lives, and not in a nice way!
And there are no paranoid thoughts regards flu jab,IF I choose to have one,and considering I never have,don't want to be told I HAVE to,if that's OK with you?![]()
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:41 am
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:48 am
JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 pm
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:36 pm
mm3260 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.
There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.
People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.
No mystery or conspiracy
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:47 pm
skidemin wrote:mm3260 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.
There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.
People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.
No mystery or conspiracy
doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...
Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:06 pm
Big Hill Blue wrote:skidemin wrote:mm3260 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.
There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.
People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.
No mystery or conspiracy
doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...
My ex Mrs finds out I've had a covid test 2 weeks ago...she gladly put a round or three into me and blame covid
Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:56 pm
Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:03 pm
skidemin wrote:mm3260 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.
There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.
People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.
No mystery or conspiracy
doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...
Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:21 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:skidemin wrote:mm3260 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.
There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.
People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.
No mystery or conspiracy
doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...
Agreed. For example, this person died in a motorcycle crash and they marked it as a Covid related death.
https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-di ... ida-report
Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:50 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:55 pm
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Anyone care to enlighten me?
I've been saying it for months and me amd you have clashed on facebook etc its mostly a scam and being made out to be worse than it is ,everything I've been saying about the death counts being false are coming true
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:04 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:42 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:00 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI
I would like to hear your additional thoughts...
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:53 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI
I would like to hear your additional thoughts...
We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:54 pm
skidemin wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI
I would like to hear your additional thoughts...
We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?
so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...
Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:17 am
WestCoastBlue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.
Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.
I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure![]()
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselvesnot all of us are
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I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?
Thanks,I'm glad you aren't going to doubt my personal anecdote regards my family,as why would I post nonsense,and involve family in it? I can say with hand on heart,it has altered their lives, and not in a nice way!
And there are no paranoid thoughts regards flu jab,IF I choose to have one,and considering I never have,don't want to be told I HAVE to,if that's OK with you?![]()
I think you might have mistaken what I said as sarcasm. I only mentioned your anecdote to avoid it looking like I was trying to catch you out on one comment while dismissing the rest of your post.
As for it being OK with me? Sure who am I to tell you to get a flu jabI’ve seen some “interesting” takes on jabs and vaccines recently and I was just curious whether yours was gonna fall under that umbrella. And by “interesting” I mean batshit insane, I had one woman on my feed claiming Bill Gates was developing a vaccine to track us... as she posted from her home WiFi, on her personal smart phone, to her public Facebook feed
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I’m all for conspiracies if there’s a reasonable argument behind them but recently some people have been making 2 + 2 = Tangerine
Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:56 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:skidemin wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI
I would like to hear your additional thoughts...
We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?
so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...
Amazing how you've managed to completely miss the point. In the original post it says how corona virus itself hasn't killed many and other problems are what kills you. I was trying to show that you shouldn't just look at the physical cause of death and you should consider all the factors to determine what caused it.
The example I used was being shot. If you only used the thing which actually definitively killed you then bullets wouldn't be the cause of any death as the bullet will lead to something happening in your body that kills you (say, blood loss or heart failure).
Normal people would see that the bullet is the cause of all this and list it as the cause of death, however, if you were to use the 'directly' killed ranking it wouldn't.
Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:32 am
JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:skidemin wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.
That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.
https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/
I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.
Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.
I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.
The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.
At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.
How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI
I would like to hear your additional thoughts...
We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?
so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...
Amazing how you've managed to completely miss the point. In the original post it says how corona virus itself hasn't killed many and other problems are what kills you. I was trying to show that you shouldn't just look at the physical cause of death and you should consider all the factors to determine what caused it.
The example I used was being shot. If you only used the thing which actually definitively killed you then bullets wouldn't be the cause of any death as the bullet will lead to something happening in your body that kills you (say, blood loss or heart failure).
Normal people would see that the bullet is the cause of all this and list it as the cause of death, however, if you were to use the 'directly' killed ranking it wouldn't.
I think you've got yourself and your analogy a little confused.
These are pre-existing conditions. Meaning they already had these conditions before catching Covid.
So the analogy would be more like: you get shot and left in a room to die with other people who've also been shot, who also happen to be infected with Covid. Whilst dying, everyone within that room also becomes infected. However, the gunshot is what killed them. This is almost literally, what has happened in nursing homes - where a majority of deaths have happened; as you can see here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... rovisional
And Bill Gates is developing a chip (not a vaccine) that will be implanted beneath your skin and store data, and in theory, able to track you too. So although slightly inaccurate, that woman isn't entirely incorrect either. See here:
https://id2020.org/