Anyone care to enlighten me?

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselves not all of us are

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .

the public have been conditioned to be more afraid of something thats very unlikely to kill them than they are of things that ARE GOING TO KILL THEM... its criminal

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselves not all of us are

I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .

the public have been conditioned to be more afraid of something thats very unlikely to kill them than they are of things that ARE GOING TO KILL THEM... its criminal

Skid i volunteer in and around hospitals and nhs it is a complete mess corvid as taken over whole hospital infrastructures so limiting ability to treat or see patients... you cannot simply say we will target areas you need the staff and facilities to do so, Eg cancer patients
need radiotherapy you cannot just produce more machines to treat people you need the staff and means for patients to get to hospitals all of which are very limited .... same things applies to all parts nhs, there will be spike in deaths but suspect it will be suppressed as wont look good for gvmnt or nhs.

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

Saying today they will target cancer treatments to reduce waiting times for treatment? Got no chance of doing that as there is no way of facilitating extra treatments like radiotherapy or extra consultation with consultants... picked up a patient from othorpedic outpatient there was only 4 patients there yet the waiting list is endless why only so few?, the consultants are ringing up patients to see who's willing to come in and have operation as people scared stiff to go to hospital! Consultant cannot see more patients for any illness until social distancing is gone its that simple, meanwhile people will die waiting no doubt about that .

the public have been conditioned to be more afraid of something thats very unlikely to kill them than they are of things that ARE GOING TO KILL THEM... its criminal

Skid i volunteer in and around hospitals and nhs it is a complete mess corvid as taken over whole hospital infrastructures so limiting ability to treat or see patients... you cannot simply say we will target areas you need the staff and facilities to do so, Eg cancer patients
need radiotherapy you cannot just produce more machines to treat people you need the staff and means for patients to get to hospitals all of which are very limited .... same things applies to all parts nhs, there will be spike in deaths but suspect it will be suppressed as wont look good for gvmnt or nhs.

i am aware mate ,and have been from day1 when they started emptying beds and cancelling appointments ands ops... my mother in law has been an in patient twice since March and ive been back and fore taking clean clothes and sweets etc to the hosp. so know how quiet theyve been... you dont have to be Einstein to figure out 70k empty beds that are normally occupied is going to have a knock on, as are missed or late diagnosis, cancelled appointments and missed treatments . now..they have social distancing and goodness knows what other red tape hindering them...Joe Public knows all of this but prefers to ignore and talk about an imaginary 2nd waves , that is not supported by any hard evidence just people saying it might happen..

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselves not all of us are

I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?

Thanks,I'm glad you aren't going to doubt my personal anecdote regards my family,as why would I post nonsense,and involve family in it? I can say with hand on heart,it has altered their lives, and not in a nice way!
And there are no paranoid thoughts regards flu jab,IF I choose to have one,and considering I never have,don't want to be told I HAVE to,if that's OK with you?

Glad to see many are now seeing beyond the bullshit. The lies are there to see. But also sad to hear that family members of those on here are now suffering mental stress and illnesses due to being frightened to death. My mum is also very frightened of it and don’t go anywhere without her mask.
Some saying about the flu jab. Me personally I haven’t got anything against it. My wife has one every year but I won’t. Why ? Because something inside me is saying very strongly DON’T. Don’t know why I have no particular reason why but I will listen to my own senses and they say don’t, so i won’t.
And I won’t for Covid either. And if they try and force or tell you you can’t travel abroad etc if you don’t, then I would say there maybe something sinister about it.

Glad to see many are now seeing beyond the bullshit. The lies are there to see. But also sad to hear that family members of those on here are now suffering mental stress and illnesses due to being frightened to death. My mum is also very frightened of it and don’t go anywhere without her mask.
Some saying about the flu jab. Me personally I haven’t got anything against it. My wife has one every year but I won’t. Why ? Because something inside me is saying very strongly DON’T. Don’t know why I have no particular reason why but I will listen to my own senses and they say don’t, so i won’t.
And I won’t for Covid either. And if they try and force or tell you you can’t travel abroad etc if you don’t, then I would say there maybe something sinister about it.

Germany... i know its not the UK.. but have a read of this... FLU epidemic 2018.. its a report written prior to covid 19 not written in comparison....https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/infection ... _2018.html

. 9 million medically attended for flu and over 5 mill doctors papers dished out. and ..25k flu deaths in the flu epidemic..
9 million. thats 45 genuinely ill people for every 1 positive covid test { and some positives are picked up without illness or complaint } and 25k deaths compared to their 9k covid...

so here is the question why have they locked down and had very similar restrictions to ourselves over covid but not for that flu epidemic 2 years ago ?...

Glad to see many are now seeing beyond the bullshit. The lies are there to see. But also sad to hear that family members of those on here are now suffering mental stress and illnesses due to being frightened to death. My mum is also very frightened of it and don’t go anywhere without her mask.
Some saying about the flu jab. Me personally I haven’t got anything against it. My wife has one every year but I won’t. Why ? Because something inside me is saying very strongly DON’T. Don’t know why I have no particular reason why but I will listen to my own senses and they say don’t, so i won’t.
And I won’t for Covid either. And if they try and force or tell you you can’t travel abroad etc if you don’t, then I would say there maybe something sinister about it.

A few on here have been doubting this shit since the beginning, and have, and still are receiving attempts at ridicule
Think differently to the masses,then your a witch!!
I feel helpless with my mum and sisters,all of who were very active and carefree, before this nonsense had them gripped with fear!
So,I have to sadly admit,the constant barrage of scaremongering has three members of my family terrified
They call me nuts when I try to ease their fears,saying I was being too blasé about this"killer",and no matter how hard I try,as much evidence as I can muster will alter the way they currently feel.
My poor mother,who contracted tb as a young child,has been coped up indoors since the 3rd week of February, as she had the flu jab (1st time ever!) And had a very bad reaction to it,and was so poorly,we were all convinced at the time,she had covid,myself included.so she has been isolated at home,alone (we were doing all she needed regards shopping etc) and now she has been told she is allowed out,the twice she has tried,she has returned home,shaking and almost in tears!!! F@ck you boris
I have noticed protests starting to gather pace in several countries, people are waking up slowly but surely.
I agree with you,there will be an immunity passport system,where if you haven't taken the "vaccine" you can't travel!!
I think a fair few people will be staying home then! Nearly everyone I have talked to in my circle of friends,say they would not take a vaccine with little or no knowledge on any future side effects,and how severe they may be!
As for the flu,funny how there are an army of people training to vaccinate 30 million people against it,twice the usual amount of people!
If that's the case,why haven't the 15 million,who to date have not had a flu jab,been offered it before now? Cost is one I suppose,and perhaps the "to stop hospitals becoming overwhelmed " line is another.whatever the reason,it must be voluntary,not mandatory,no one should be forced into anything they don't feel comfortable with.

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselves not all of us are

I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?

Thanks,I'm glad you aren't going to doubt my personal anecdote regards my family,as why would I post nonsense,and involve family in it? I can say with hand on heart,it has altered their lives, and not in a nice way!
And there are no paranoid thoughts regards flu jab,IF I choose to have one,and considering I never have,don't want to be told I HAVE to,if that's OK with you?

I think you might have mistaken what I said as sarcasm. I only mentioned your anecdote to avoid it looking like I was trying to catch you out on one comment while dismissing the rest of your post.
As for it being OK with me? Sure who am I to tell you to get a flu jab I’ve seen some “interesting” takes on jabs and vaccines recently and I was just curious whether yours was gonna fall under that umbrella. And by “interesting” I mean batshit insane, I had one woman on my feed claiming Bill Gates was developing a vaccine to track us... as she posted from her home WiFi, on her personal smart phone, to her public Facebook feed
I’m all for conspiracies if there’s a reasonable argument behind them but recently some people have been making 2 + 2 = Tangerine

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

there were very similar numbers in Italy...before we locked down ?
and im pretty sure if someone was honest enough to say it, its the truth here also.... 5377 deaths knocked off a couple of weeks ago ? and how many more if they change the criteria for being a covid death ?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/onl ... -directly/

doesnt stop people being scared though mate... its almost as if they want to be scared... no amount of actual facts.. damage to our over all health , health service , or economy is shifting them....

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...

My ex Mrs finds out I've had a covid test 2 weeks ago...she gladly put a round or three into me and blame covid

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...

My ex Mrs finds out I've had a covid test 2 weeks ago...she gladly put a round or three into me and blame covid

im not aware of anyone being machine gunned... you could be the first
but when England reduced their death toll to bring it in line with ourselves, Scotland and N Ireland . it was not a case of scratching people who have actually died of covid... obviously... just those people who had died having had a positive test outside of 28 days but died of something else were scratched...

If you check the Office of National Statistics, you will also see that 91% of all people in the UK who died of Covid had at least 1 pre-existing health condition. That means just 9% of the total death toll in the UK is solely down to Coronavirus.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... injune2020

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...

Agreed. For example, this person died in a motorcycle crash and they marked it as a Covid related death.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-di ... ida-report

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls listen to this little example.

There is a hospital with 2000 beds. Everyone of these beds contains a patient dying from flu but not yet dead. They are all likely to die by the next morning but someone comes in and kills them all with a machine gun that night. Now none died of the flu but they were all murdered.

People who may have died of the flu i.e. the elderly and chronically ill were killed by Covid-19 before the flu had killed them.

No mystery or conspiracy

doesnt fit in with the evil scaremongering agenda but...
you have it 100% the wrong way around... no there are not ward fulls of covid /flu patients already dying who suddenly get cancer/ heart attacks / dementia / a multitude of other illnesses..or in fact get machine gunned... its these people who were dying then die but happen to be also be covid positive.. and actually if you are machine gunned to death so long as you had a positive test within the last 28 days yep its recorded as covid...

Agreed. For example, this person died in a motorcycle crash and they marked it as a Covid related death.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-di ... ida-report

yep...and its not a secret ,a mystery or been hidden how these are counted...its just some people do not want to accept.. they are scared to an unreasonable degree and happy to remain there..

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

Anyone care to enlighten me?

I've been saying it for months and me amd you have clashed on facebook etc its mostly a scam and being made out to be worse than it is ,everything I've been saying about the death counts being false are coming true

Was obvious from the start wes. Anyone who knows anyone in the NHS knows they were attributing ridiculous amount of deaths to corona that weren't.

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

so the guy from the italian iss was a liar..as were our government over the 5377...
nope he wasnt
and nope they were not..

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?

so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?

so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...

Amazing how you've managed to completely miss the point. In the original post it says how corona virus itself hasn't killed many and other problems are what kills you. I was trying to show that you shouldn't just look at the physical cause of death and you should consider all the factors to determine what caused it.
The example I used was being shot. If you only used the thing which actually definitively killed you then bullets wouldn't be the cause of any death as the bullet will lead to something happening in your body that kills you (say, blood loss or heart failure).
Normal people would see that the bullet is the cause of all this and list it as the cause of death, however, if you were to use the 'directly' killed ranking it wouldn't.

The ticking time bomb is the deaths to come from cancers to heart disease etc that has gone unchecked either because the help hasn’t been there or the doctors surgeries were shut. And many did not know where to turn or where to go. Or even they were to scared to go. These deaths will dwarf any deaths from Covid.

Now there will be a so called second wave and guess what these added extra deaths will be mostly count as Covid. And the sad fact they are related to Covid, And they would of died not of Covid but because of Covid. And deaths from Cancers and heart disease over this period will remain low. You wait and see.

I've also been saying,deaths because of covid,will drown those that have died with covid,and imho,dwarf the "real" figures of deaths of covid
I've also said of the 2nd wave,they have been banging on about that,as long as the 1st wave!! I have witnessed first hand,the fear factor starting to control members of my own family,my mum,and my 2 sisters are terrified to go shopping,get panicky when others get near them etc etc
,my worst concern is my mum, who at 80 was leading a very good social life,keep fit twice weekly,meals with friends,bingo the lot,but nowe over the course of 6 months,is a totally different woman,who on the two occasions she has been out,got around 200 yards from home,and had a panic attack?? Not something she has had before!!
I'm dreading the ramping up of fear factor again,will her head cope? I'm not too sure
I notice all of a sudden they are employing "armies" of people,to give everyone the flu jab!! They can go f@ck themselves not all of us are

I’m not going to doubt your personal anecdote regarding your family but what’s with the paranoia against the flu jab?

Thanks,I'm glad you aren't going to doubt my personal anecdote regards my family,as why would I post nonsense,and involve family in it? I can say with hand on heart,it has altered their lives, and not in a nice way!
And there are no paranoid thoughts regards flu jab,IF I choose to have one,and considering I never have,don't want to be told I HAVE to,if that's OK with you?

I think you might have mistaken what I said as sarcasm. I only mentioned your anecdote to avoid it looking like I was trying to catch you out on one comment while dismissing the rest of your post.
As for it being OK with me? Sure who am I to tell you to get a flu jab I’ve seen some “interesting” takes on jabs and vaccines recently and I was just curious whether yours was gonna fall under that umbrella. And by “interesting” I mean batshit insane, I had one woman on my feed claiming Bill Gates was developing a vaccine to track us... as she posted from her home WiFi, on her personal smart phone, to her public Facebook feed
I’m all for conspiracies if there’s a reasonable argument behind them but recently some people have been making 2 + 2 = Tangerine

To tell the truth,I've not needed a flu jab yet,and have never been advised by my doctor,whose been my gp for 20+years.even allowing me to stay registered ,when I moved out of district.and most importantly, my mum had the flu jab (1st time ever!) The 1st week of February, on recommendation of a hospital doctor,she fell so I'll, we as her family were convinced at the time she had covid, she was really poorly,to the extent we nearly called for an ambulance (in my opinion a good thing we didnt)
so that has put me off to a degree,the rest is personal choice,I don't get a steroid injection in my shoulder for bursitis,because I have the choice,my main argument is,I will not be forced into something I'm not happy with,no more,no less.
So no sorry, I'm not a one of tosr that equates numbers to fruits

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?

so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...

Amazing how you've managed to completely miss the point. In the original post it says how corona virus itself hasn't killed many and other problems are what kills you. I was trying to show that you shouldn't just look at the physical cause of death and you should consider all the factors to determine what caused it.
The example I used was being shot. If you only used the thing which actually definitively killed you then bullets wouldn't be the cause of any death as the bullet will lead to something happening in your body that kills you (say, blood loss or heart failure).
Normal people would see that the bullet is the cause of all this and list it as the cause of death, however, if you were to use the 'directly' killed ranking it wouldn't.

I think you've got yourself and your analogy a little confused.
These are pre-existing conditions. Meaning they already had these conditions before catching Covid.
So the analogy would be more like: you get shot and left in a room to die with other people who've also been shot, who also happen to be infected with Covid. Whilst dying, everyone within that room also becomes infected. However, the gunshot is what killed them. This is almost literally, what has happened in nursing homes - where a majority of deaths have happened; as you can see here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... rovisional

And Bill Gates is developing a chip (not a vaccine) that will be implanted beneath your skin and store data, and in theory, able to track you too. So although slightly inaccurate, that woman isn't entirely incorrect either. See here:

https://id2020.org/

The CDC in America has just provided a very quiet update too.
Only 6% of the total Covid deaths are solely down to Covid.
The other 94% of people had 2-3 other illnesses.

That means the deaths caused purely by Covid is around 9,000.

https://principia-scientific.com/finall ... m-covid19/

I'd also suggest not relying on 'fact checker' websites. They are literally just journalists and are funded by people with conflicts of interest, e.g Bill and Melinda Gates.

Without going into the whole 'that's how a lot of viruses work and if you want to be pedantic then guns or aids don't kill anyone either'.

I want to focus on the reliability bit. Do you know who is the founder and ceo of the site you linked?
John o'sullivan. Do you know what he's lied about? He's lied about being an attorney, being a published writer, and having a law degree. When registering as an associate he claimed to be with principia scientific but gave the address of a construction company and false phone and fax numbers.( This is all from a court of law BTW)
You'll be pleased to know he was acquitted of 16 year old girl whilst he was a teacher, although he then took the unusual step of writing an erotic novel about..... You guessed it, a teachers obsession with a schoolgirl.

The sites basically just vaccines and climate change denial and has decided to use a scientific method that absolutely no one thinks is good. So no wonder they tell you not to look up their claims.

At least they're not funded by Bill Gates I suppose.

How about we forget about that website and John O'Sullivan, and focus on the data - its on the CDC's website. Scroll down to comorbidities - you will find it there.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... wSRP2OmqsI

I would like to hear your additional thoughts...

We all know that it rarely directly kills you, a lot of viruses do that. A lot of corona virus deaths are from other things which wouldn't have killed you or happened without it.
Let's say you get shot and die, do you think the cause of death is being shot?
Technically you die from blood loss or your lungs rupturing or whatever and not the actual bullet, however as the bullet causes it to happen people say that shooting is the cause of death.
Similarly aids doesn't kill you it just weakens your systems and makes you vulnerable to something else which kills you but as most of the damage done is from aids it gets counted as that.
Has that cleared it up for you?

so people killed in M and M s machine gun masacre were not killed by a machine gun. .just the holes the bullets made... off your rocker...

Amazing how you've managed to completely miss the point. In the original post it says how corona virus itself hasn't killed many and other problems are what kills you. I was trying to show that you shouldn't just look at the physical cause of death and you should consider all the factors to determine what caused it.
The example I used was being shot. If you only used the thing which actually definitively killed you then bullets wouldn't be the cause of any death as the bullet will lead to something happening in your body that kills you (say, blood loss or heart failure).
Normal people would see that the bullet is the cause of all this and list it as the cause of death, however, if you were to use the 'directly' killed ranking it wouldn't.

I think you've got yourself and your analogy a little confused.
These are pre-existing conditions. Meaning they already had these conditions before catching Covid.
So the analogy would be more like: you get shot and left in a room to die with other people who've also been shot, who also happen to be infected with Covid. Whilst dying, everyone within that room also becomes infected. However, the gunshot is what killed them. This is almost literally, what has happened in nursing homes - where a majority of deaths have happened; as you can see here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... rovisional

And Bill Gates is developing a chip (not a vaccine) that will be implanted beneath your skin and store data, and in theory, able to track you too. So although slightly inaccurate, that woman isn't entirely incorrect either. See here:

https://id2020.org/

In March and June the biggest pre existing health condition in deaths involving corona were dementia and alzehemiers. Diabetes is also high on the list. Neither of them kill you.

Why would Bill Gates be trying to sneak a tracking device into you instead of a cure.
A) Thanks to his foundation africa now doesn't have wild polio so evidently he is working on vaccines.
B) Do you have a phone? Or a computer at least?