Tan appreciation thread

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

I thank tan for the part of his tenure when the bluebirds were there and when they when they returned.as for Cardiff red I walked away and never post about any games they played as I found it sickening.

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

There was absolutely no reason for him to change our colour and badge for his own personal preference though with complete disregard to our fans. All the success we experienced was overshadowed by the rebrand and ultimately left us with a broken fan base and a lot of anger/resentment towards Tan. If he had brought us that success and we had stayed in blue he would be adored by the fans now. You can't even argue that it improved our fan base (long term) as our attendances, following the season after relegation, were the lowest they had been for around a decade or so. The rebrand might have brought us short term success but it took 3-4 years to recover from - Which we have Warnock to thank for that - although Tan does deserve credit for finally bringing a decent manager in.

It does seem that Tan has learnt from his mistakes though. The club are in a decent position at the moment which he deserves credit for. Also, there are a lot of clubs currently in horrible situations because of their owners so people need to be careful what they wish for. A bad sale to the wrong owners could quite easily leave us in a similar position. So whilst I am quite happy with how he is currently running the club and have no reason to want him to leave, I feel a lot of fans lost all respect for him due his actions during the rebrand, which may never change.

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

There was absolutely no reason for him to change our colour and badge for his own personal preference though with complete disregard to our fans. All the success we experienced was overshadowed by the rebrand and ultimately left us with a broken fan base and a lot of anger/resentment towards Tan. If he had brought us that success and we had stayed in blue he would be adored by the fans now. You can't even argue that it improved our fan base (long term) as our attendances, following the season after relegation, were the lowest they had been for around a decade or so. The rebrand might have brought us short term success but it took 3-4 years to recover from - Which we have Warnock to thank for that - although Tan does deserve credit for finally bringing a decent manager in.

It does seem that Tan has learnt from his mistakes though. The club are in a decent position at the moment which he deserves credit for. Also, there are a lot of clubs currently in horrible situations because of their owners so people need to be careful what they wish for. A bad sale to the wrong owners could quite easily leave us in a similar position. So whilst I am quite happy with how he is currently running the club and have no reason to want him to leave, I feel a lot of fans lost all respect for him due his actions during the rebrand, which may never change.

what i posted is the absolute truth .
was there need to change colour.? certainly not from a fans perspective ..but he thought it would benefit the club / business.. and as i said above after the 2 day meltdown it all calmed down when the penny regarding investment dropped and he was 100% assured it would be ok.... your correct about the attendance drop off AFTER relegation.. thats my point mate.. we.. were not outside the main office with placards 7 days a week and marching at every game when going up or in the prem..... the marches were very poorly attended for over a year ..
some never stopped campaigning.. a couple of dozen returned STs.. and some just stopped going...but it was not nearly enough.. the vast majority just took it up the bum... then when it suited began seeing themselves as saviours and calling Tan all names.. .. respect ? i have tons of respect for those that genuinely never gave up and tried doing something about it... who really did mean they would prefer to be blue in league 2..... and lots for Tan for being such a decent owner....non, zero, sweet FA for those who accepted the money but then started hating him 2 years later...

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

There was absolutely no reason for him to change our colour and badge for his own personal preference though with complete disregard to our fans. All the success we experienced was overshadowed by the rebrand and ultimately left us with a broken fan base and a lot of anger/resentment towards Tan. If he had brought us that success and we had stayed in blue he would be adored by the fans now. You can't even argue that it improved our fan base (long term) as our attendances, following the season after relegation, were the lowest they had been for around a decade or so. The rebrand might have brought us short term success but it took 3-4 years to recover from - Which we have Warnock to thank for that - although Tan does deserve credit for finally bringing a decent manager in.

It does seem that Tan has learnt from his mistakes though. The club are in a decent position at the moment which he deserves credit for. Also, there are a lot of clubs currently in horrible situations because of their owners so people need to be careful what they wish for. A bad sale to the wrong owners could quite easily leave us in a similar position. So whilst I am quite happy with how he is currently running the club and have no reason to want him to leave, I feel a lot of fans lost all respect for him due his actions during the rebrand, which may never change.

what i posted is the absolute truth .
was there need to change colour.? certainly not from a fans perspective ..but he thought it would benefit the club / business.. and as i said above after the 2 day meltdown it all calmed down when the penny regarding investment dropped and he was 100% assured it would be ok.... your correct about the attendance drop off AFTER relegation.. thats my point mate.. we.. were not outside the main office with placards 7 days a week and marching at every game when going up or in the prem..... the marches were very poorly attended for over a year ..
some never stopped campaigning.. a couple of dozen returned STs.. and some just stopped going...but it was not nearly enough.. the vast majority just took it up the bum... then when it suited began seeing themselves as saviours and calling Tan all names.. .. respect ? i have tons of respect for those that genuinely never gave up and tried doing something about it... who really did mean they would prefer to be blue in league 2..... and lots for Tan for being such a decent owner....non, zero, sweet FA for those who accepted the money but then started hating him 2 years later...

I agree with you that there were a lot of fans who completely sold themselves out and only supported the blue campaign when things weren't so good. I was mainly disagreeing with your first line that Tan was/is treated unfairly. I personally feel he got everything he deserved and if people still don't like him because of what he did, despite our recent success in blue, then I wouldn't hold it against them. Lets face it Tan wanted us in red because that is what his preferable choice would be. If playing in red made you more appealing and improved your club as a business that much, then more clubs would change their colours. If red was that important/lucky to Malaysia then surely the national team would play in red? They don't, they play in gold and black. Ironically, their second kit is mainly blue.

Personally, the rebrand will always be something I hold against him but at least now i can see the club is going in the right direction with him as owner and will give him credit for that.

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

There was absolutely no reason for him to change our colour and badge for his own personal preference though with complete disregard to our fans. All the success we experienced was overshadowed by the rebrand and ultimately left us with a broken fan base and a lot of anger/resentment towards Tan. If he had brought us that success and we had stayed in blue he would be adored by the fans now. You can't even argue that it improved our fan base (long term) as our attendances, following the season after relegation, were the lowest they had been for around a decade or so. The rebrand might have brought us short term success but it took 3-4 years to recover from - Which we have Warnock to thank for that - although Tan does deserve credit for finally bringing a decent manager in.

It does seem that Tan has learnt from his mistakes though. The club are in a decent position at the moment which he deserves credit for. Also, there are a lot of clubs currently in horrible situations because of their owners so people need to be careful what they wish for. A bad sale to the wrong owners could quite easily leave us in a similar position. So whilst I am quite happy with how he is currently running the club and have no reason to want him to leave, I feel a lot of fans lost all respect for him due his actions during the rebrand, which may never change.

what i posted is the absolute truth .
was there need to change colour.? certainly not from a fans perspective ..but he thought it would benefit the club / business.. and as i said above after the 2 day meltdown it all calmed down when the penny regarding investment dropped and he was 100% assured it would be ok.... your correct about the attendance drop off AFTER relegation.. thats my point mate.. we.. were not outside the main office with placards 7 days a week and marching at every game when going up or in the prem..... the marches were very poorly attended for over a year ..
some never stopped campaigning.. a couple of dozen returned STs.. and some just stopped going...but it was not nearly enough.. the vast majority just took it up the bum... then when it suited began seeing themselves as saviours and calling Tan all names.. .. respect ? i have tons of respect for those that genuinely never gave up and tried doing something about it... who really did mean they would prefer to be blue in league 2..... and lots for Tan for being such a decent owner....non, zero, sweet FA for those who accepted the money but then started hating him 2 years later...

I agree with you that there were a lot of fans who completely sold themselves out and only supported the blue campaign when things weren't so good. I was mainly disagreeing with your first line that Tan was/is treated unfairly. I personally feel he got everything he deserved and if people still don't like him because of what he did, despite our recent success in blue, then I wouldn't hold it against them. Lets face it Tan wanted us in red because that is what his preferable choice would be. If playing in red made you more appealing and improved your club as a business that much, then more clubs would change their colours. If red was that important/lucky to Malaysia then surely the national team would play in red? They don't, they play in gold and black. Ironically, their second kit is mainly blue.

Personally, the rebrand will always be something I hold against him but at least now i can see the club is going in the right direction with him as owner and will give him credit for that.

Good words.

Although wasn’t it more for the Chinese market rather than Malaysia?

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

It's on public record what tan is doing to reduce and eventually make club debt free... bit think it says it all when someone prefer an owner who practically destroyed Wimbledon and undoubtedly would have done same to us except council didn't trust him to have control of ground... and that's on record as well... at end day tan is best owner we've had and better devil you know! ask Wigan for their views on new owners.....

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

It's on public record what tan is doing to reduce and eventually make club debt free... bit think it says it all when someone prefer an owner who practically destroyed Wimbledon and undoubtedly would have done same to us except council didn't trust him to have control of ground... and that's on record as well... at end day tan is best owner we've had and better devil you know! ask Wigan for their views on new owners.....

....and Hull.

This is why the red needs to stay dead and buried and not be brought up

We all have different takes on it, you can guess mine no doubt

Allan, I'm as big a fan as you and not more

just because our take on it is different doesnt make either of us more or less of a city fan, I didnt mean to cause offence 9r question your support.

and it the people who came when in red are still coming great then that's good

And for what it's worth I've moved on but that time was the worst following "our" club that's why I sound bitter

But Tan is still here and that says a lot

hated the red, still went though and honestly thought Tan was and still is treated unfairly...
his reaction to the initial meltdown was to offer not to change the colour { which he saw as an integral part of worldwide marketing } but not invest the large amounts he was proposing to either.. this resulted in immediate cooling down , pro investment letters appearing in the Echo from prominent fans. and assurances that it would all be fine...
truth is it was.. big crowds and very small protests... but once we started to struggle and AFTER he had heavily invested the protests gathered pace.... im chuffed we are back in blue so in that respect glad people protested mate but as a fan base we did not cover our selves in glory... blue in lge2 should have been straight away.. shove the money..... not we will see how it goes and maybe kick off in a couple of years time.... honestly....if it were me investing in a foreign club and the above happened there is no way id have been as decent as Vinnie has been..

There was absolutely no reason for him to change our colour and badge for his own personal preference though with complete disregard to our fans. All the success we experienced was overshadowed by the rebrand and ultimately left us with a broken fan base and a lot of anger/resentment towards Tan. If he had brought us that success and we had stayed in blue he would be adored by the fans now. You can't even argue that it improved our fan base (long term) as our attendances, following the season after relegation, were the lowest they had been for around a decade or so. The rebrand might have brought us short term success but it took 3-4 years to recover from - Which we have Warnock to thank for that - although Tan does deserve credit for finally bringing a decent manager in.

It does seem that Tan has learnt from his mistakes though. The club are in a decent position at the moment which he deserves credit for. Also, there are a lot of clubs currently in horrible situations because of their owners so people need to be careful what they wish for. A bad sale to the wrong owners could quite easily leave us in a similar position. So whilst I am quite happy with how he is currently running the club and have no reason to want him to leave, I feel a lot of fans lost all respect for him due his actions during the rebrand, which may never change.

what i posted is the absolute truth .
was there need to change colour.? certainly not from a fans perspective ..but he thought it would benefit the club / business.. and as i said above after the 2 day meltdown it all calmed down when the penny regarding investment dropped and he was 100% assured it would be ok.... your correct about the attendance drop off AFTER relegation.. thats my point mate.. we.. were not outside the main office with placards 7 days a week and marching at every game when going up or in the prem..... the marches were very poorly attended for over a year ..
some never stopped campaigning.. a couple of dozen returned STs.. and some just stopped going...but it was not nearly enough.. the vast majority just took it up the bum... then when it suited began seeing themselves as saviours and calling Tan all names.. .. respect ? i have tons of respect for those that genuinely never gave up and tried doing something about it... who really did mean they would prefer to be blue in league 2..... and lots for Tan for being such a decent owner....non, zero, sweet FA for those who accepted the money but then started hating him 2 years later...

I agree with you that there were a lot of fans who completely sold themselves out and only supported the blue campaign when things weren't so good. I was mainly disagreeing with your first line that Tan was/is treated unfairly. I personally feel he got everything he deserved and if people still don't like him because of what he did, despite our recent success in blue, then I wouldn't hold it against them. Lets face it Tan wanted us in red because that is what his preferable choice would be. If playing in red made you more appealing and improved your club as a business that much, then more clubs would change their colours. If red was that important/lucky to Malaysia then surely the national team would play in red? They don't, they play in gold and black. Ironically, their second kit is mainly blue.

Personally, the rebrand will always be something I hold against him but at least now i can see the club is going in the right direction with him as owner and will give him credit for that.

While I detested the red,and never wore it,but I will admit I hold no grudge with tan,he made a mistake (although I see many saying "mistakes", suggesting he has made a few?? He corrected the one big cock up,so for me,time is a great healer,and I waited all my life waiting to be promoted to the top table, and then we do it twice.
! The second being the icing on the cake,as we were back in blue will I forget the time we were red? No,but I have forgiven Tan,and without his financial backing,we could well be in blue in League Two, or even worse,not exist as cardiff city!! He has steered us through unprecedented times,without his backing,we could well have been on the bones of our arses(again) he is taking the club forward,steadying the ship into calmer waters,it's not unreasonable to me,that he isn't going to splash the cash,we are in a better position than most in our league imho,and some could well be in trouble pretty soon I'm in agreement with the what I believe to be unfair criticism/ treatment of him,and notice every close season,threads appear regarding him,and most being a dig at him,still.I'm in the opposite corner personally, and will go as far to say,the best owner we have had in my time following the city,we could be a lot worse off!

As Matt Connolly says in his latest interview, we probably would have stayed up under Malky if Tan didn't interfere and disrupt things.

Tan has changed us back to blue, kept our club financially stable and made excellent managerial choices after the OGS disaster. Fair play to him for that, as he's shown he's learning from his mistakes.

I can never go as far as fully appreciate Tan from the anguish he put me through totally disregarding our identity and disrespecting our heritage. However, he's still here keeping our club running while nobody else will touch us, so I'm very thankful he's currently our owner.

As Matt Connolly says in his latest interview, we probably would have stayed up under Malky if Tan didn't interfere and disrupt things.

Tan has changed us back to blue, kept our club financially stable and made excellent managerial choices after the OGS disaster. Fair play to him for that, as he's shown he's learning from his mistakes.

I can never go as far as fully appreciate Tan from the anguish he put me through totally disregarding our identity and disrespecting our heritage. However, he's still here keeping our club running while nobody else will touch us, so I'm very thankful he's currently our owner.

sorry but he doesnt say anything about interfering . its a soft fluffy non offensive article where he is not even mildly critical of anyone... apparently they lost momentum in between managers ?
read it but didnt think a lot of it..8 years here ,only recently left but talks about us as they and them..

As Matt Connolly says in his latest interview, we probably would have stayed up under Malky if Tan didn't interfere and disrupt things.

Tan has changed us back to blue, kept our club financially stable and made excellent managerial choices after the OGS disaster. Fair play to him for that, as he's shown he's learning from his mistakes.

I can never go as far as fully appreciate Tan from the anguish he put me through totally disregarding our identity and disrespecting our heritage. However, he's still here keeping our club running while nobody else will touch us, so I'm very thankful he's currently our owner.

sorry but he doesnt say anything about interfering . its a soft fluffy non offensive article where he is not even mildly critical of anyone... apparently they lost momentum in between managers ?
read it but didnt think a lot of it..8 years here ,only recently left but talks about us as they and them..

Isn't causing us to lose momentum in between managers interfering though? Tan had already done the damage before the Liverpool and Southampton games that season. We looked a disorganised mess for the Southampton game as our protest at the Liverpool game plus the circus Tan created behind the scenes affected our preparation.

Things could have been so different if Tan kept out of things. Unfortunately, we will never know if Malky could have kept us up.

Fxck Tan, hed sell us in a heartbeat

I started in 1980 and dreamt one day the blues were going up "to the top flight"

And when we did 30 odd years later it was ruined by glory hunting red Cardiff fans

Standing on the pitch after we drew with Charlton and secured promotion

Should have been my dream moment

But no, looking around at all the mugs in red celebrating was almost as bad
getting relegated in Bury years back

And I bet there was no red birds sorry glory hunters in Bury that day

Dear me and I thought only certain members of my family could hold a grudge !

Reading your comments, it's all about you, isn't it ? - Your dream moment ruined etc.

Vincent Tan made one very bad miscalculation (nobody died by the way), rectified his mistake and has kept the club afloat ever since.

When I see some club's owners, I am truly grateful that we've got one who has stabilised the club and is ambitious enough to want even more. Look at what's happened to Hull, Blackpool, Blackburn ((Venky's) and poor Bury to help you take a more realistic and balanced view of his stewardship.

As Matt Connolly says in his latest interview, we probably would have stayed up under Malky if Tan didn't interfere and disrupt things.

Tan has changed us back to blue, kept our club financially stable and made excellent managerial choices after the OGS disaster. Fair play to him for that, as he's shown he's learning from his mistakes.

I can never go as far as fully appreciate Tan from the anguish he put me through totally disregarding our identity and disrespecting our heritage. However, he's still here keeping our club running while nobody else will touch us, so I'm very thankful he's currently our owner.

sorry but he doesnt say anything about interfering . its a soft fluffy non offensive article where he is not even mildly critical of anyone... apparently they lost momentum in between managers ?
read it but didnt think a lot of it..8 years here ,only recently left but talks about us as they and them..

Isn't causing us to lose momentum in between managers interfering though? Tan had already done the damage before the Liverpool and Southampton games that season. We looked a disorganised mess for the Southampton game as our protest at the Liverpool game plus the circus Tan created behind the scenes affected our preparation.

Things could have been so different if Tan kept out of things. Unfortunately, we will never know if Malky could have kept us up.

you are aware that Tan thought he had been ripped off by an agent and our manager..? said as much again without using names as recently as last week... yes shut up when you think youve been taken for a ride ? .. i wouldnt and doubt you would...and the absolute reality here is Tan was the person with most to lose by causing disruption , which is probably why it was drawn out..

As Matt Connolly says in his latest interview, we probably would have stayed up under Malky if Tan didn't interfere and disrupt things.

Tan has changed us back to blue, kept our club financially stable and made excellent managerial choices after the OGS disaster. Fair play to him for that, as he's shown he's learning from his mistakes.

I can never go as far as fully appreciate Tan from the anguish he put me through totally disregarding our identity and disrespecting our heritage. However, he's still here keeping our club running while nobody else will touch us, so I'm very thankful he's currently our owner.

Watching the team that year our momentum had grind to a halt. We had been found out I think. Malky had failed to properly prepare us for the premier league from a strong position money wise in the championship and then when we went up and we crawled over the line. His spending was mostly bad. Never more so than Cornelius. Look at the other two teams who went up, who stayed up after finishing well behind us.

His failure to have a plan b was the biggest mistake Malky made and it cost us our best chance of continued Premier League representation.

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

Gosh it's on public record, so must be true,

My mistake

You can say what you want

Tan dented this club if ours, there's many that won't return till he's gone

They are just as much Cardiff fans as you

People don't want success at the cost of our colour and badge, me included.

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

Gosh it's on public record, so must be true,

My mistake

You can say what you want

Tan dented this club if ours, there's many that won't return till he's gone

They are just as much Cardiff fans as you

People don't want success at the cost of our colour and badge, me included.

For the record I walked away and didn't watch City whilst we were playing in red. I get what you say about success at any price but come on forgive and forget surely

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Losing all this money as the press like to tell us "as hes thousands of miles"

I find that hard to believe

Hes making money off us somehow in my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

if anyone shouts stats at me from online sources dont bother

I'm sure I could find stats the loch ness monster really exists

After all if "he give a dam" as you' all seem to think why didnt he listen to true fans who obviously were against the red nonsense

If you believe his lovely little mum made him change his mind and see the error of his ways then that's your choice but

Im fully confident it was because season ticket sales were very low

As far Sam Hamman, whatever happened at the end

he started our success and personally I will always thank him for it

Plus I still want " Sam hamman walking round the pitch"

I cant believe you think VT is making money out of us. The man wrote off £68M of debt and you say this. Where have you been the last few years

And you really know that how ?

I dont fall for that nonsense you may have read or heard,

he made a packet from our 2 prem visits and parachute payments

Wow just wow. VT is keeping this club afloat and you dont think he made a packet from the PL do you. VT converted the £68M into shares thereby writing the debt off.
Its widely reported that City are making a loss even after the PL, so you just believe what you will, because I dont think many would agree here with you.
VT is the best owner this club has ever had or probably will have in the future.

Gosh it's on public record, so must be true,

My mistake

You can say what you want

Tan dented this club if ours, there's many that won't return till he's gone

They are just as much Cardiff fans as you

People don't want success at the cost of our colour and badge, me included.

For the record I walked away and didn't watch City whilst we were playing in red. I get what you say about success at any price but come on forgive and forget surely

I never will mate

I'm on board I still go and I respect he's still there, but il never forgive the man personally.

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

You have got to remember though that a lot of the debt we owe him is due to his inexperience and bad ownership of the club. He was the one signing off all the transfers and contracts which left us in a mess and owing him so much money. We have been promoted twice in the last 7 years, yet we still owe him a lot of money. So yes we are very lucky that he is still putting money into the club and is turning debt into equity, as he doesnt have to do it - not many owners would do the same. But on the flip side he is essentially sorting out a mess he left us in.

Moving forward though, he does appear to have learnt from his mistakes and the club seems to be run in more sustainable way and hopefully that continues for a long time to come.

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

You have got to remember though that a lot of the debt we owe him is due to his inexperience and bad ownership of the club. He was the one signing off all the transfers and contracts which left us in a mess and owing him so much money. We have been promoted twice in the last 7 years, yet we still owe him a lot of money. So yes we are very lucky that he is still putting money into the club and is turning debt into equity, as he doesnt have to do it - not many owners would do the same. But on the flip side he is essentially sorting out a mess he left us in.

Moving forward though, he does appear to have learnt from his mistakes and the club seems to be run in more sustainable way and hopefully that continues for a long time to come.

Not true really.

We were already heavily in debt and losing more and more money with zero income streams due to Ridsdale already using them in a desperate attempt to get to the prem.

The investment from changing to Red eradicated the debt and got us a squad that took us up. Financially we are so much better than we would have been had we not caught the interest of Tan. We actually have a club for one. Without his investment we would never have had the prem money that stopped us losing money for a bit.

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

You have got to remember though that a lot of the debt we owe him is due to his inexperience and bad ownership of the club. He was the one signing off all the transfers and contracts which left us in a mess and owing him so much money. We have been promoted twice in the last 7 years, yet we still owe him a lot of money. So yes we are very lucky that he is still putting money into the club and is turning debt into equity, as he doesnt have to do it - not many owners would do the same. But on the flip side he is essentially sorting out a mess he left us in.

Moving forward though, he does appear to have learnt from his mistakes and the club seems to be run in more sustainable way and hopefully that continues for a long time to come.

i think this, he was signing off on them , get out of jail card regarding knocking him is well over used.... of course he did.. a business man with little background in football who had appointed well paid experts to make decisions on ability and value.. do you want him backing the manager or do you want him deciding the manager is wrong ?

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

You have got to remember though that a lot of the debt we owe him is due to his inexperience and bad ownership of the club. He was the one signing off all the transfers and contracts which left us in a mess and owing him so much money. We have been promoted twice in the last 7 years, yet we still owe him a lot of money. So yes we are very lucky that he is still putting money into the club and is turning debt into equity, as he doesnt have to do it - not many owners would do the same. But on the flip side he is essentially sorting out a mess he left us in.

Moving forward though, he does appear to have learnt from his mistakes and the club seems to be run in more sustainable way and hopefully that continues for a long time to come.

i think this, he was signing off on them , get out of jail card regarding knocking him is well over used.... of course he did.. a business man with little background in football who had appointed well paid experts to make decisions on ability and value.. do you want him backing the manager or do you want him deciding the manager is wrong ?

Yeah trusting Malky was one of his biggest mistakes. As was letting Ole play football manager with his money.