" 14-day quarantine for those returning from Spain "

From what I can see the cases aren’t that bad in either. But it seems the government were criticised in the first wave for acting to slowly and now they’ve reacted incredibly quickly that wrong as well. I see no need to get into a mud slinging where I live is better than where you live contest doesn’t help at all.

It does totally matter where you live , how pathetic.

Of course it matters if the islands are in good health then they are ok to visit etc.

So are you saying the whole of the Ul should be locked down because of BRADFORD, LEICESTER, BLACKBURN etc that’s what your saying.

I said the cases aren’t that bad in uk or Spain. I merely pointed out the uk government has acted quickly this time and been criticised. They acted slowly before and were criticised by many of which you were one.

You also said you wish Spain could ban uk travel if they could afford it. Do you mean all of it good parts and bad parts?

Foreign minister: Spain is a 'safe country for tourists'

The Spanish foreign minister insists Spain is a "safe country for tourists" after the UK's decision to make travellers quarantine for 14 days after returning from the holiday destination.

Arancha Gonzalez Laya tells a news conference Spain is seeing outbreaks "like in any other European country" but they are "perfectly controlled".

She also says the outbreaks are focused in three areas - Barcelona, Lleida and Saragossa - and all of them are "perfectly traced".

The foreign minister adds: "Half of those that are Covid positive in Spain are asymptomatic, which gives a very clear indication of the huge efforts that all the regions in Spain are undertaking to test its citizens for covid.

"And once they are identified they are being subject to very strict social distancing measures."

How does Spain compare to other parts of Europe?

The rate of infection in Spain per 100,000 people is currently at 39.4, according to figures from the EU's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

Spain is now comparable with Sweden and Portugal, although rates in those countries are falling while Spain's is on the rise.

Romania (59.7) and Bulgaria (44.8) are considerably higher than Spain. Luxembourg is far higher (219.4), although the number there may be skewed by its small population. The UK's rate is 14.6.

Fresh outbreaks in Spain - as in other countries seeing a spike in infections - seem to be restricted to a few regions, including Catalonia, where Barcelona is located, and Aragon.

Spanish Foreign Minister has good talks UK Govt to lift 14 day Quarantine to Balearics Mallorca/Ibiza/Minorca etc as safest places in Europe to go to

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How does Spain compare to other parts of Europe?

The rate of infection in Spain per 100,000 people is currently at 39.4, according to figures from the EU's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

Spain is now comparable with Sweden and Portugal, although rates in those countries are falling while Spain's is on the rise.

Romania (59.7) and Bulgaria (44.8) are considerably higher than Spain. Luxembourg is far higher (219.4), although the number there may be skewed by its small population. The UK's rate is 14.6.

Fresh outbreaks in Spain - as in other countries seeing a spike in infections - seem to be restricted to a few regions, including Catalonia, where Barcelona is located, and Aragon.

Cheers mate. Didn’t realise that the uk was doing so well and that Spain was over double our rate after the super strict lockdown they had compare to us. But both numbers in the real world are extremely low and don’t need any quarantine in my opinion.

From what I can see the cases aren’t that bad in either. But it seems the government were criticised in the first wave for acting to slowly and now they’ve reacted incredibly quickly that wrong as well. I see no need to get into a mud slinging where I live is better than where you live contest doesn’t help at all.

It does totally matter where you live , how pathetic.

Of course it matters if the islands are in good health then they are ok to visit etc.

So are you saying the whole of the Ul should be locked down because of BRADFORD, LEICESTER, BLACKBURN etc that’s what your saying.

I understand what you mean now. I agree with you that the islands shouldn’t be quarantined. But you said uk should get blocked just because the uk blocked Spain that’s what I meant was unhelpful.

It seems that common sense is to prevail anyway regarding the islands.

What do I really, really need to know if I'm in Spain or have plans to travel there?

Holidaymakers face last-minute disruption to their plans after the government introduced new rules requiring travellers arriving in the UK from Spain to self-isolate for two weeks.

The measures will apply to those returning from mainland Spain, the Canary Islands (Tenerife, Fuerteventura, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, La Palma, La Gomera, El Hierro and La Graciosa) and the Balearic Islands, such as Majorca and Ibiza.

But what does it mean in practice for travellers?

The new rules came into force on Sunday and apply to people returning to all four nations of the UK - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

People currently on holiday in Spain have been told to follow local rules, return home as normal, and check the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's (FCO) advice pages.The FCO is not advising those already in Spain to leave. Abta - the UK's travel trade association - has advised customers in Spain to return from their holidays as normal

Holiday operator Tui has cancelled all holidays to Spain booked with them until 9 August

For people who have booked with other firms, the FCO is advising against all but essential travel to mainland Spain. Abta has advised customers due to travel to the country imminently to contact their travel provider

The Association of British Insurers (ABI) has said it is "likely" that travel insurance will remain in place for holidaymakers already in Spain until they return home. However, those attempting to travel to countries against FCO advice would invalidate their travel insurance

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said no worker following quarantine guidance should be penalised by employers - including being forced onto sick pay

Weighing up how to respond to spikes in tourist destinations

David Shukman

Science editor, BBC News

For months now, health experts have warned we will see spikes at a regional and local level as lockdowns are eased.

So while the national picture in Spain does show a slight uptick in the number of cases, that hides some big differences across the country.

In the past fortnight, Catalonia saw more than 8,500 new infections while the Balearic Islands had just 92.

One response is to increase the testing of people arriving back home – it’s voluntary at German airports right now but may become mandatory as it is in France for arrivals from high-risk countries like the US and Brazil.

Might that also happen in the UK?

It wouldn’t be worth it, according to Baroness Dido Harding, head of the NHS Test and Trace scheme.

She says a negative result would not guarantee that someone wouldn’t develop symptoms later.

Another approach, used by the Netherlands, is to single out people coming from specific areas with high levels of infections – such as a few named regions in Spain and the UK city of Leicester – and urge them to self-isolate.

As the virus continues to circulate, further alarms – and changes in policy - are inevitable.

UK records 747 virus cases in 24 hours

Another 747 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK over the past 24 hours, according to the latest figures from the government.

The UK's biggest tour operator, Tui, has cancelled all mainland Spanish holidays until 9 August

UK records 747 virus cases in 24 hours

Another 747 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK over the past 24 hours, according to the latest figures from the government.

The UK's biggest tour operator, Tui, has cancelled all mainland Spanish holidays until 9 August

Also in brilliant news we have recorded only 10 deaths in a day for the first time since March

We are one of the only countries in Europe where cases and deaths are still going down. Most are rising.

UK records 747 virus cases in 24 hours

Another 747 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK over the past 24 hours, according to the latest figures from the government.

The UK's biggest tour operator, Tui, has cancelled all mainland Spanish holidays until 9 August

Also in brilliant news we have recorded only 10 deaths in a day for the first time since March

We are one of the only countries in Europe where cases and deaths are still going down. Most are rising.

As you say it’s brilliant news that the death toll is finally really low in the UK

But actually the death toll is not rising in Spain, zero in the Balearic Islands for 5 weeks and zero hospital admissions and 7 deaths in mainland Spain in last 10 days.
It’s actually the virus itself that’s rising in some parts of Spain , but thankfully not the deaths.

I think the virus is here to stay and will go down and up in all countries for years and we have to
Learn to live with it.

UK records 747 virus cases in 24 hours

Another 747 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK over the past 24 hours, according to the latest figures from the government.

The UK's biggest tour operator, Tui, has cancelled all mainland Spanish holidays until 9 August

Also in brilliant news we have recorded only 10 deaths in a day for the first time since March

We are one of the only countries in Europe where cases and deaths are still going down. Most are rising.

As you say it’s brilliant news that the death toll is finally really low in the UK

But actually the death toll is not rising in Spain, zero in the Balearic Islands for 5 weeks and zero hospital admissions and 7 deaths in mainland Spain in last 10 days.
It’s actually the virus itself that’s rising in some parts of Spain , but thankfully not the deaths.

I think the virus is here to stay and will go down and up in all countries for years and we have to
Learn to live with it.

Funnily enough I’ve stayed at my sons house this weekend and his gf is a doctor and we were discussing the CV etc. She says that the so called 2nd wave will probably mutate and be a lot less lethal.

UK records 747 virus cases in 24 hours

Another 747 coronavirus cases have been recorded in the UK over the past 24 hours, according to the latest figures from the government.

The UK's biggest tour operator, Tui, has cancelled all mainland Spanish holidays until 9 August

Also in brilliant news we have recorded only 10 deaths in a day for the first time since March

We are one of the only countries in Europe where cases and deaths are still going down. Most are rising.

As you say it’s brilliant news that the death toll is finally really low in the UK

But actually the death toll is not rising in Spain, zero in the Balearic Islands for 5 weeks and zero hospital admissions and 7 deaths in mainland Spain in last 10 days.
It’s actually the virus itself that’s rising in some parts of Spain , but thankfully not the deaths.

I think the virus is here to stay and will go down and up in all countries for years and we have to
Learn to live with it.

Funnily enough I’ve stayed at my sons house this weekend and his gf is a doctor and we were discussing the CV etc. She says that the so called 2nd wave will probably mutate and be a lot less lethal.

I sat chatting to a Doctor of 30yrs and his wife A&E management and they both said the same they are from Darlington.

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

BBC

The Balearic Islands 1:4mill population.

The average person per 1,000 in the Balearic Islands is 4 times lower than the UK’s.

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I agree with everything you say there.

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I agree with everything you say there.

Cheers just my honest view

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I think most people agree with you mate. Whilst Boris had the sympathy of the nation at the start as we were entering I to unknown waters the way he's handled himself and the whole situation is nothing short of embarrasing, he needs outing now, he will ruin the Conservative party in the same way Corbyn ruined Labour, not that I care either way

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I think most people agree with you mate. Whilst Boris had the sympathy of the nation at the start as we were entering I to unknown waters the way he's handled himself and the whole situation is nothing short of embarrasing, he needs outing now, he will ruin the Conservative party in the same way Corbyn ruined Labour, not that I care either way

its a situation where whatever he does it draws criticism.. i dont agree one bit with this quarantine thing but truth be told Spain are having large numbers of infections and plenty queued up to knock our government for not taking similar action back in March...

From what I can see the cases aren’t that bad in either. But it seems the government were criticised in the first wave for acting to slowly and now they’ve reacted incredibly quickly that wrong as well. I see no need to get into a mud slinging where I live is better than where you live contest doesn’t help at all.

It said on the news this morning Spain triple the number of new cases to the UK (Dr Rosemary or whatever her name is?) she did then go on to say 40 per 100K Spain 15 per 100K UK, so not quite triple, she strongly believes what the UK should impose this and although I'm due to go to Ibiza in three to four weeks, I agree.

We were slow to act with lockdown and with no quarantine measure in March and imported cases from mostly Spain and Italy, that can't be allowed to happen again, we have to learn from our past mistakes and act quickly.

How does Spain compare to other parts of Europe?

The rate of infection in Spain per 100,000 people is currently at 39.4, according to figures from the EU's European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

Spain is now comparable with Sweden and Portugal, although rates in those countries are falling while Spain's is on the rise.

Romania (59.7) and Bulgaria (44.8) are considerably higher than Spain. Luxembourg is far higher (219.4), although the number there may be skewed by its small population. The UK's rate is 14.6.

Fresh outbreaks in Spain - as in other countries seeing a spike in infections - seem to be restricted to a few regions, including Catalonia, where Barcelona is located, and Aragon.

that backs up what they said this morning, the main problem seems to be the Islands as part of Spain have been grouped in and the UK won't make regional decisions.

Foreign minister: Spain is a 'safe country for tourists'

The Spanish foreign minister insists Spain is a "safe country for tourists" after the UK's decision to make travellers quarantine for 14 days after returning from the holiday destination.

Arancha Gonzalez Laya tells a news conference Spain is seeing outbreaks "like in any other European country" but they are "perfectly controlled".

She also says the outbreaks are focused in three areas - Barcelona, Lleida and Saragossa - and all of them are "perfectly traced".

The foreign minister adds: "Half of those that are Covid positive in Spain are asymptomatic, which gives a very clear indication of the huge efforts that all the regions in Spain are undertaking to test its citizens for covid.

"And once they are identified they are being subject to very strict social distancing measures."

I have just called TUI and because of the quarantine for the Balearics she said from tomorrow you will receive an incentivised credit to the account which people could then use to book an alternative holiday online if they want to, or they can contine with the existing holiday, if you don't want another holiday they will refund which is pretty fair really.

I guess this give the tourist Industry, UK and Spanish Goverments a day to get things changed?

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I think most people agree with you mate. Whilst Boris had the sympathy of the nation at the start as we were entering I to unknown waters the way he's handled himself and the whole situation is nothing short of embarrasing, he needs outing now, he will ruin the Conservative party in the same way Corbyn ruined Labour, not that I care either way

its a situation where whatever he does it draws criticism.. i dont agree one bit with this quarantine thing but truth be told Spain are having large numbers of infections and plenty queued up to knock our government for not taking similar action back in March...

No I agree with that, maybe I should have been a bit more clear. As I said he had my support at the start as we went into the unknown but he's lost that now.

I'm agreeing with Annis on the part where he says Boris has done a pathetic job (overall). As much as I feel for the businesses out in Spain etc I don't disagree with quarantines etc either, tbh I would have gone one step further and just banned international holidays until next year, I personally don't see why anyone feels the need to go abroad at the moment for a 'holiday' in the middle of a worldwide pandemic but that's just personal opinion.

However, Boris is a buffon, he's not a leader which is what the country needs, his contradictions and his whole cabinet are a bit if a joke really.

Whichever decision the Govt takes, the media generally tend to take the contrary position. Rolling news isnt news. Spains excess death rate is in the region of 18-20,000. The death rate is low because they stopped reporting.

I found this table last night and was shocked to see how many countries are actually worse than the uk for infections per 100,000

Lookin at this now I understand why they want to quarantine people travelling from Spain they so much worse than us and they had a much stricter lockdown which says to me wasn’t the best solution. Where as I’m confused why Ireland have stopped the uk but have a worse infection rate than us.

This whole thing is getting crazy. And as been said when people are travelling to and from countries it’s not gonna improve. Let’s just hope it disappears by itself as these things do occasionally.

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Hello all
In Palmanova atm - hoping for some good news on quarantine shambles. Any local bars with fellow bluebirds in tonight?

:happy1:

Just been told:
Just heard from a very very reliable source that within a short period of time the Balearics and Canaries will be taken off the home office list, because on all paperwork and websites it just says Spain which has thrown a spanner in the works but apparently this will get sorted in a few days so I am reliably informed (hope it’s not a Spanish few days.
For all you people in the uk it’s fab here at the moment; very very busy in Portals and the surrounding area,Magaluf very quiet , Santa Ponsa & Palma Nova still quite busy

So you happy for brits to come now?

Honestly:

If the island did not need them so badly , I believe this year we should of said No to tourists not just UK.

I stand by that Boris did a pathetic job of the virus and won’t be voting for him next time.

I think most people agree with you mate. Whilst Boris had the sympathy of the nation at the start as we were entering I to unknown waters the way he's handled himself and the whole situation is nothing short of embarrasing, he needs outing now, he will ruin the Conservative party in the same way Corbyn ruined Labour, not that I care either way

Stephen, you are 100% spot on and i VOTED FOR THE CLOWN.