SLAVER STATUE TO BE REMOVED FROM CITY HALL

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

Didnt mock your post but made observation you posted 24 posts since 2012 and picked on mine out of all the ones who basically said same as me? I Don't believe in coincidences ... anyway u may not be erasing history by removing statue but how does little tom know about the past if nothing physical to see and ask about? I know learn about him and all the other statues that are removed from sight in schools history lesson? Or more like out of sight out of mind seems to be the attitude wont take long to forget that's for sure.. :l

I am off to Rome to ensure Julius Caser's image is erased ! He ethically cleansed the Gauls , probably one million ? When is this rubbish going to end . Political correctness gone mad.

I am off to Rome to ensure Julius Caser's image is erased ! He ethically cleansed the Gauls , probably one million ? When is this rubbish going to end . Political correctness gone mad.

its all a bit wierd mate.... Picton is being called all sorts 200 years after his death by people who think they know the man better than those at the time did..

I am off to Rome to ensure Julius Caser's image is erased ! He ethically cleansed the Gauls , probably one million ? When is this rubbish going to end . Political correctness gone mad.

It ain't gonna end. Unless the sensible majority tell these morons

I am off to Rome to ensure Julius Caser's image is erased ! He ethically cleansed the Gauls , probably one million ? When is this rubbish going to end . Political correctness gone mad.

It ain't gonna end. Unless the sensible majority tell these morons

Is it a sensible majority though? That’s my concern. I honestly don’t think it is anymore.

The social media age has bred generations of people who fall over themselves to virtue signal at every given opportunity. The amount of people who would have posted that stupid BLM black square would have been off the charts. The whole mantra “if you are not with us then you are against us” is engrained in these people and they do anything to prove to the mob that they aren’t a bad person, even if that means relinquishing their grasp on reality, sense or self respect.

If there is something to be faux offended about, these idiots will find it and then with the use of the above that pander to them, force through any and every change they like. It’s a power game and they win every single time because nobody will stand up to them due to cancel culture.

You do as the mob says or you lose your job.

They've boarded him up now so he can't be seen.

Pathetic

It is pathetic,,, and it’s laughable. I mean, how many people actually get to see this statue anyway? It’s not as if it’s standing outside Cardiff Central train station with the BBC Wales HQ in the background...
History should be remembered for what it was,,, as a reminder for it to ever, and never happen again,,, not erased completely,,, because of political correctness.

Past Wickedness and Evil are all lessons from history,,, God knows we can’t afford to forget that!

Forget it...its likely to be rubbed in our faces for the next 200 years by these p****s..

They've boarded him up now so he can't be seen.

Pathetic

It is pathetic,,, and it’s laughable. I mean, how many people actually get to see this statue anyway? It’s not as if it’s standing outside Cardiff Central train station with the BBC Wales HQ in the background...
History should be remembered for what it was,,, as a reminder for it to ever, and never happen again,,, not erased completely,,, because of political correctness.

Past Wickedness and Evil are all lessons from history,,, God knows we can’t afford to forget that!

If it’s not statues it’s now roads

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... r-18655109

Good post Roathy


Personally think that there is a force in the background playing these gullible fools to cause as much trouble as they can and we are all on dangerous ground unless they are stood up to but first job should be to stop the very biased UK press from fuelling this hatred any more.

ITV... Showing BLM adverts constantly but absolutely nothing on news about the arrest of that prick with knee on babies neck.
BBC... Lettie luvvies say no more.
Channel 5.... Are a disgrace as most of their presenters don't half give it the BLM are right and everything else is wrong.

Getting back to earlier point about background players... Does anyone still actually believe that this is about a drugged up con who threatened a pregnant woman, robbed people and tried using fake dollars?

And to finish, it going to take a hell of a big box to cover war heroes Picton's obelisk in Carmarthen!!!!

I am off to Rome to ensure Julius Caser's image is erased ! He ethically cleansed the Gauls , probably one million ? When is this rubbish going to end . Political correctness gone mad.

It ain't gonna end. Unless the sensible majority tell these morons

Is it a sensible majority though? That’s my concern. I honestly don’t think it is anymore.

The social media age has bred generations of people who fall over themselves to virtue signal at every given opportunity. The amount of people who would have posted that stupid BLM black square would have been off the charts. The whole mantra “if you are not with us then you are against us” is engrained in these people and they do anything to prove to the mob that they aren’t a bad person, even if that means relinquishing their grasp on reality, sense or self respect.

If there is something to be faux offended about, these idiots will find it and then with the use of the above that pander to them, force through any and every change they like. It’s a power game and they win every single time because nobody will stand up to them due to cancel culture.

You do as the mob says or you lose your job.

Well said, Roathy!

Interesting that protestors against these statues claim the relevant person was bad this or bad that, but, in general, the statues were built at the time to reflect the good deeds they had done. Which are conveniently overlooked. Cecil Rhodes being the easiest example as he became someone who has actually helped many black students.
Jump forward to today and you have a project set up “the George Floyd monument” to have a monument erected to reflect the death of George Floyd through police brutality. Conveniently overlooking George’s horrendous serial criminal past, including the well documented armed assault on a pregnant woman.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

Pull them down or leave them up makes no difference to me. My point was this,

1. i know about historical figures without the need for statues.
2 When Saddam's statue was toppled, my knowledge of him and his rule didn't disappear and he is being taught about in schools today without there being Statues of him.
3. If the statues are taken down it doesn't alter the deeds of the person who's statue it was.
4. In the case of Colston, his philanthropy towards Bristol was based on wealth accumulated with his use of slaves. He is different to Picton in that respect. Picton was someone whom the establishment were concerned enough about to put him on trial for his abuse and torture of slaves.

If you are implying that giving money or giving your life for your country absolves you of your acts of cruelty and oppression then that's your choice and i haven't argued that point but again i will state : Removing the statues will not alter what these people have done good or bad and it wont erase their deeds from history. Did you ever have statues in school when learning about historical figures? Did you and people around you know about Picton before all this? have you ever studied the Heroes statues in City Hall or taken a trip to See the Picton statue in Carmarthen?

We studied the statues in School.. in more enlightened times perhaps. Ones I recall were Lord Ninian(hooray), John 'pint glass' Bachelor, and Minerva outside the Glam County building..dont remember Picton.

blm should be back on the streets today, apopleptic about the racist grime artist Wiley.. I expect they'll demand he's stripped of his MBE, and demand equality and uvver fings..

Perhaps Bristol should tear down all the buildings and institutions built by colston legacy and money if they feel that strongly about his trade...

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

Pull them down or leave them up makes no difference to me. My point was this,

1. i know about historical figures without the need for statues.
2 When Saddam's statue was toppled, my knowledge of him and his rule didn't disappear and he is being taught about in schools today without there being Statues of him.
3. If the statues are taken down it doesn't alter the deeds of the person who's statue it was.
4. In the case of Colston, his philanthropy towards Bristol was based on wealth accumulated with his use of slaves. He is different to Picton in that respect. Picton was someone whom the establishment were concerned enough about to put him on trial for his abuse and torture of slaves.

If you are implying that giving money or giving your life for your country absolves you of your acts of cruelty and oppression then that's your choice and i haven't argued that point but again i will state : Removing the statues will not alter what these people have done good or bad and it wont erase their deeds from history. Did you ever have statues in school when learning about historical figures? Did you and people around you know about Picton before all this? have you ever studied the Heroes statues in City Hall or taken a trip to See the Picton statue in Carmarthen?

Well wont be able to study it for much longer?

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need youfor you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

Pull them down or leave them up makes no difference to me. My point was this,

1. i know about historical figures without the need for statues.
2 When Saddam's statue was toppled, my knowledge of him and his rule didn't disappear and he is being taught about in schools today without there being Statues of him.
3. If the statues are taken down it doesn't alter the deeds of the person who's statue it was.
4. In the case of Colston, his philanthropy towards Bristol was based on wealth accumulated with his use of slaves. He is different to Picton in that respect. Picton was someone whom the establishment were concerned enough about to put him on trial for his abuse and torture of slaves.

If you are implying that giving money or giving your life for your country absolves you of your acts of cruelty and oppression then that's your choice and i haven't argued that point but again i will state : Removing the statues will not alter what these people have done good or bad and it wont erase their deeds from history. Did you ever have statues in school when learning about historical figures? Did you and people around you know about Picton before all this? have you ever studied the Heroes statues in City Hall or taken a trip to See the Picton statue in Carmarthen?

YEP!!

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

Pull them down or leave them up makes no difference to me. My point was this,

1. i know about historical figures without the need for statues.
2 When Saddam's statue was toppled, my knowledge of him and his rule didn't disappear and he is being taught about in schools today without there being Statues of him.
3. If the statues are taken down it doesn't alter the deeds of the person who's statue it was.
4. In the case of Colston, his philanthropy towards Bristol was based on wealth accumulated with his use of slaves. He is different to Picton in that respect. Picton was someone whom the establishment were concerned enough about to put him on trial for his abuse and torture of slaves.

If you are implying that giving money or giving your life for your country absolves you of your acts of cruelty and oppression then that's your choice and i haven't argued that point but again i will state : Removing the statues will not alter what these people have done good or bad and it wont erase their deeds from history. Did you ever have statues in school when learning about historical figures? Did you and people around you know about Picton before all this? have you ever studied the Heroes statues in City Hall or taken a trip to See the Picton statue in Carmarthen?

Sadam ? a LIVING at the time despot who had statues , mosaics sculptures and enormous banners of him self everywhere and then had the above toppled and defaced by a conquering army ..being used as a reference point to statues erected years after death out of respect by communities just shows zero understanding or even attempted understanding...

and no pulling a statue down does not change the persons deeds, but neither was erecting that statue changing their deeds in the first place.... it does change the history of the area by now disrespecting our ancestors, who in the modern day are looked upon as wrong but not so at the time...if you cannot find a lesson there i despair...

Colston and Picton ,2 very different men... but lets lump a load of people together eh....and yes Picton went to trial was found guilty then won on appeal... but no smoke without fire and in all appeals the persons who overturn decisions are guilty really ?????? not your standard BLM leave prisoners out on the street line but eh oh its not about being level...is it..?


as for implying good makes up for bad... now thats really a sliding scale effected by a number of things.. but youd know far more than me about this topic as the bunch your aligned with riot, loot attack and kill police officers, kill people who run their illegal road blocks even children , destroy livelihoods show no regard to democracy. authority ,or history but justify it as in their eyes its for the greater good .. and if good can never make up for bad why on earth would a person who is racist ever try to redeem themselves..?

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

Pull them down or leave them up makes no difference to me. My point was this,

1. i know about historical figures without the need for statues.
2 When Saddam's statue was toppled, my knowledge of him and his rule didn't disappear and he is being taught about in schools today without there being Statues of him.
3. If the statues are taken down it doesn't alter the deeds of the person who's statue it was.
4. In the case of Colston, his philanthropy towards Bristol was based on wealth accumulated with his use of slaves. He is different to Picton in that respect. Picton was someone whom the establishment were concerned enough about to put him on trial for his abuse and torture of slaves.

If you are implying that giving money or giving your life for your country absolves you of your acts of cruelty and oppression then that's your choice and i haven't argued that point but again i will state : Removing the statues will not alter what these people have done good or bad and it wont erase their deeds from history. Did you ever have statues in school when learning about historical figures? Did you and people around you know about Picton before all this? have you ever studied the Heroes statues in City Hall or taken a trip to See the Picton statue in Carmarthen?

Sadam ? a LIVING at the time despot who had statues , mosaics sculptures and enormous banners of him self everywhere and then had the above toppled and defaced by a conquering army ..being used as a reference point to statues erected years after death out of respect by communities just shows zero understanding or even attempted understanding...

and no pulling a statue down does not change the persons deeds, but neither was erecting that statue changing their deeds in the first place.... it does change the history of the area by now disrespecting our ancestors, who in the modern day are looked upon as wrong but not so at the time...if you cannot find a lesson there i despair...

Colston and Picton ,2 very different men... but lets lump a load of people together eh....and yes Picton went to trial was found guilty then won on appeal... but no smoke without fire and in all appeals the persons who overturn decisions are guilty really ?????? not your standard BLM leave prisoners out on the street line but eh oh its not about being level...is it..?


as for implying good makes up for bad... now thats really a sliding scale effected by a number of things.. but youd know far more than me about this topic as the bunch your aligned with riot, loot attack and kill police officers, kill people who run their illegal road blocks even children , destroy livelihoods show no regard to democracy. authority ,or history but justify it as in their eyes its for the greater good .. and if good can never make up for bad why on earth would a person who is racist ever try to redeem themselves..?

That bunch i'm aligned with. You really are something aren't you. I'm not aligned with anyone or anything other than common sense. The problem is i have blown your "change, alter, Erase" history theory out of the water. Accept it or go to the back of the class.

My reference to Saddam is that my knowledge didn't disappear when his statue did and neither did my knowledge of Colston so please accept that removing statues has nothing to do with altering or re writing his history. What happened has happened and nothing changes that. "Me and that bunch you're aligned with" , what at total inept way to tell me i'm right but you don't like that outcome ffs.
bye bye your arguments don't merit further response