Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:39 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:really cant believe the moans at all tbh..
but all this challenging in courts and talk of law...WTF...
The law is there to protect the consumer. You can't have a situation where a Vendor can 'sell' something that doesn't exist and have no way of challenging that. You might have no worries about throwing £300 away but many others will.
All the club has to do is say that if we are promoted to the PL and fans can't attend the stadium a credit would be given to the ST holder towards the cost of the 21/22 ST ticket rather than just saying there will be no refund.
no i havent got 300 quid THROW AWAY...thats not what i did yesterday... i suggest if anyone remotely thinks supporting our club might be THROWING money away...shouldnt go .shouldnt buy...and really does not support our club { im not talking about those that cant afford, or have health concerns, more the phrase and attitude }... the T&C s are there buy or dont buy.... FFS do you want a football club or not..? take a good look at Wigan , Bury or the host of other clubs that have hit bad times.... courts of law my arse .. whats wrong with people...
as for the STs, once again they are reasonably priced.. probably priced accordingly with the current crisis in mind..
It remains to be seen if you have thrown your money away. As stated above if the club are financially strapped and are close to bankruptcy and want donations then tell us that, I would donate.
There are thousands of fans losing their jobs all over the UK and they have to make difficult choices which will often mean putting their families first. If these people are asked to buy ST's then it should be on fair and equitable terms and conditions where they will get credits for any games in the PL which they are not allowed to attend.
If you have purchased a ST then well done. But taking a moral high ground standing and pointing fingers is not really the way to behave towards fans who may have a very worrying time at the moment and want to make value for money purchases rather than giving money on a vague promise.
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:43 am
castleblue wrote:I purchased my 3 ST first thing yesterday because despite ALL these valid queries none of them will matter is the club isn't there because it's gone out of business. It's now been months since our club has received any income from ticket sales and it must be in need of money into the coffers.
There are so many things up in the air at the moment so it's difficult if not impossible for the club to cover all bases now. Things like when will the season start and the most important for me is will the stadium require a new safety certificate to hold matches with fans present? surely it will so right now maybe the club needs to establish the number of fans likely to attend. It did say it reserved the right to suspend ST sales without notice so maybe they already have a plan to make the CCS Covid safe. It would surprise me if they haven't and with the need for social distancing in my opinion it will involve some fans having to move seats. Would that be such a problem![]()
If the stadium needs a new safety certificate will there be a need for "Trial" events and to that end there was a debate on Talkshite the other week where September maybe used for the early rounds of the Carabao Cup using these matches to trial reduced capacity games. If everything went OK then the EFL season could restart on the first Saturday of October which would provide more midweek dates for matches to allow the season to complete in May. The EFL are hoping capacity would be reduced to something like 30-50% of normal depending of course on how stadiums can be adapted.
I think we should give the club a break and let them get on with establishing what is possible within our stadium to get a safety certificate and wait until the EFL are in a position to present a plan to clubs on how the season will take place.
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Igovernor wrote:glas wrote:Thanks Vince. It needs clarifying.
It seems clear to me but what do I know
Thought was clear enough too.![]()
But suspect club will change to credit for following season if complaints are enough and vosififorous enough.. sure it's legal what they done because they've said thats the conditions for buying ST ... dont get refund from millennium centre unless they can re sell tickets bought (terms and conditions) when bought
The T&C's have to be fair.
City are selling a service which is live entertainment inside the stadium. If you choose not to take up the service (i.e. the ST holder chooses not to attend the event) then that is not the fault of the service provider. So your analogy with the Millennium Centre having to sell a ticket on before providing a refund is not really a relevant one.
A better one is a cancelled holiday or flight ticket where you get either a refund or voucher. In the case of ST holders there is a fair remedy to provide an alternative through live streaming on City TV if City remain in the Championship but the problem arises if we were promoted to the PL.
Basically they are saying tough luck we can't provide the 'service' and we have no remedy like a streaming voucher or refund. This is where City might be breaking the law because their T&C's might fall foul of EU Unfair Consumer Contract Terms Directive. Despite BREXIT this directive still applies as all EU law has been incorporated into British Law and ST holders would have a right to challenge the club's failure to provide the service or an alternative in the Courts.
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:21 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:I purchased my 3 ST first thing yesterday because despite ALL these valid queries none of them will matter is the club isn't there because it's gone out of business. It's now been months since our club has received any income from ticket sales and it must be in need of money into the coffers.
There are so many things up in the air at the moment so it's difficult if not impossible for the club to cover all bases now. Things like when will the season start and the most important for me is will the stadium require a new safety certificate to hold matches with fans present? surely it will so right now maybe the club needs to establish the number of fans likely to attend. It did say it reserved the right to suspend ST sales without notice so maybe they already have a plan to make the CCS Covid safe. It would surprise me if they haven't and with the need for social distancing in my opinion it will involve some fans having to move seats. Would that be such a problem![]()
If the stadium needs a new safety certificate will there be a need for "Trial" events and to that end there was a debate on Talkshite the other week where September maybe used for the early rounds of the Carabao Cup using these matches to trial reduced capacity games. If everything went OK then the EFL season could restart on the first Saturday of October which would provide more midweek dates for matches to allow the season to complete in May. The EFL are hoping capacity would be reduced to something like 30-50% of normal depending of course on how stadiums can be adapted.
I think we should give the club a break and let them get on with establishing what is possible within our stadium to get a safety certificate and wait until the EFL are in a position to present a plan to clubs on how the season will take place.
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I agree fully with the sentiment and if the club said we need £500 contributions to save the club from going bankrupt then I would make a donation.
However, we are talking about ST's and not everyone is in a position to throw £300+ away on a vague promise. There is an economic Tsunami on it's way and thousands of ST holders are going to lose their jobs. They will then have to chose between paying the mortgage or buy a ST so that the players (who are mainly millionaires) still get paid even though they wouldn't take pay cuts during the height of the pandemic.
The club could help if they tackled the anomaly where your season ticket could prove a white elephant if we were promoted to the PL with a credit for any missed games. As for seat numbers etc. fans would have to be understanding and accept that due to social distancing they can't be guaranteed their usual ones.
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:07 pm
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:08 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:really cant believe the moans at all tbh..
but all this challenging in courts and talk of law...WTF...
The law is there to protect the consumer. You can't have a situation where a Vendor can 'sell' something that doesn't exist and have no way of challenging that. You might have no worries about throwing £300 away but many others will.
All the club has to do is say that if we are promoted to the PL and fans can't attend the stadium a credit would be given to the ST holder towards the cost of the 21/22 ST ticket rather than just saying there will be no refund.
no i havent got 300 quid THROW AWAY...thats not what i did yesterday... i suggest if anyone remotely thinks supporting our club might be THROWING money away...shouldnt go .shouldnt buy...and really does not support our club { im not talking about those that cant afford, or have health concerns, more the phrase and attitude }... the T&C s are there buy or dont buy.... FFS do you want a football club or not..? take a good look at Wigan , Bury or the host of other clubs that have hit bad times.... courts of law my arse .. whats wrong with people...
as for the STs, once again they are reasonably priced.. probably priced accordingly with the current crisis in mind..
It remains to be seen if you have thrown your money away. As stated above if the club are financially strapped and are close to bankruptcy and want donations then tell us that, I would donate.
There are thousands of fans losing their jobs all over the UK and they have to make difficult choices which will often mean putting their families first. If these people are asked to buy ST's then it should be on fair and equitable terms and conditions where they will get credits for any games in the PL which they are not allowed to attend.
If you have purchased a ST then well done. But taking a moral high ground standing and pointing fingers is not really the way to behave towards fans who may have a very worrying time at the moment and want to make value for money purchases rather than giving money on a vague promise.
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:15 pm
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:17 pm
skidemin wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:really cant believe the moans at all tbh..
but all this challenging in courts and talk of law...WTF...
The law is there to protect the consumer. You can't have a situation where a Vendor can 'sell' something that doesn't exist and have no way of challenging that. You might have no worries about throwing £300 away but many others will.
All the club has to do is say that if we are promoted to the PL and fans can't attend the stadium a credit would be given to the ST holder towards the cost of the 21/22 ST ticket rather than just saying there will be no refund.
no i havent got 300 quid THROW AWAY...thats not what i did yesterday... i suggest if anyone remotely thinks supporting our club might be THROWING money away...shouldnt go .shouldnt buy...and really does not support our club { im not talking about those that cant afford, or have health concerns, more the phrase and attitude }... the T&C s are there buy or dont buy.... FFS do you want a football club or not..? take a good look at Wigan , Bury or the host of other clubs that have hit bad times.... courts of law my arse .. whats wrong with people...
as for the STs, once again they are reasonably priced.. probably priced accordingly with the current crisis in mind..
It remains to be seen if you have thrown your money away. As stated above if the club are financially strapped and are close to bankruptcy and want donations then tell us that, I would donate.
There are thousands of fans losing their jobs all over the UK and they have to make difficult choices which will often mean putting their families first. If these people are asked to buy ST's then it should be on fair and equitable terms and conditions where they will get credits for any games in the PL which they are not allowed to attend.
If you have purchased a ST then well done. But taking a moral high ground standing and pointing fingers is not really the way to behave towards fans who may have a very worrying time at the moment and want to make value for money purchases rather than giving money on a vague promise.
its not about affordability. if you can not afford it do not buy....
and if your scared do not buy....
im being supportive /a supporter { the clue is in the word } of the club not to take the moral high groundits what ive always done and honestly thought that is how everyone is...i think youll find hundreds of thousands have renewed across the country none of whom did so to be morally superior..in fact .its the exact opposite....talk of suing your own club in court ffs....laws...legality... how can a fan even have this cross his/her mind .?
everyone knows the score support or dont support.... but what sort of thinking is buy and maybe sue.... terrible..
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:26 pm
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Due to Govt law Cardiff City are being told they can not sell tickets to an event that at this moment in time or in the future dates that fans won’t be able to attend is illegal, so they can not sell tickets saying no refunds at all etc and have been advised to say the following:
The Club commits to reviewing policy at regular junctures over the coming weeks and months. Should government or governing body policy alter the intentions laid out in this statement, the Club will consider alternatives including the option of issuing pro-rata credits against future sales as recently undertaken for the 2019/20 season.
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:21 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Due to Govt law Cardiff City are being told they can not sell tickets to an event that at this moment in time or in the future dates that fans won’t be able to attend is illegal, so they can not sell tickets saying no refunds at all etc and have been advised to say the following:
The Club commits to reviewing policy at regular junctures over the coming weeks and months. Should government or governing body policy alter the intentions laid out in this statement, the Club will consider alternatives including the option of issuing pro-rata credits against future sales as recently undertaken for the 2019/20 season.
Good!
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:47 pm
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:25 am
Forever Blue wrote:In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.
Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:24 am
Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:49 am
darran1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.
I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:11 am
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:53 am
Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales have dried up at CCFC
Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:00 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales have dried up at CCFC
Hardly surprising annis even if club said give refund for games behind closed doors still wont sell any as like you've said be lucky to see many fans in before xmas... and with drakefords stance on subject cannot be optimistic as to when can see games...
Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:27 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales have dried up at CCFC
Hardly surprising annis even if club said give refund for games behind closed doors still wont sell any as like you've said be lucky to see many fans in before xmas... and with drakefords stance on subject cannot be optimistic as to when can see games...
I agree Allan,
I think I was to hasty in renewing my two once again as I only can get back for about 11 home games normally and about 6 away since living in Spain, now even less or any matches at all.
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:00 pm
pembroke allan wrote:darran1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.
I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter
I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?