Been reading this forum and I felt that I had to speak (BLM)

There is no racism on here, just because posters have different views and it don't suit BLM agenda suddenly makes others racists, what a load of bollocks and i won't go on one knee either for no white or black person, so what does that make me?

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Does this make me racist?

First My Fathers side is Egyptian, My Mother’s English, I was born in Cardiff .
My family brought up in Tiger Bay and myself brought up with friends from all different backgrounds and everyone very proud if their backgrounds.


I have 4 Asian Nephews and Nieces and I also have 6 cousins who are all black but for me we are all the same as we respect each other and don’t see colour, we see human beings



But I support Winston Churchill 100%

75 years ago, the most dangerously racist ideology to ever threaten western civilisation was defeated. It would almost certainly have prevailed, were it not for this man.

He is the very reason your lives matter.

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Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Amazing how when trying to act impartial how one sided and blind one post can be about a subject

Maybe you havent read it properly? I wasnt trying to be impartial, my position is pretty crystal clear I thought. What I WAS doing, was giving everyone the benefit of the doubt without being so harshly one sided and thinking anybody who doesnt agree with me isnt worth the time or effort to at least understand whilst putting my opinion across.

I see too much on this forum where the opinions are so hard on one side or the other, any nuance or middle ground is gone because people seem to feel they have to plant their flag firmly and hold on stubbornly.

I'll use a player as an example. One week hes a God here, has a stinker the next game he has to get out of the club. It happens with so many players.

You are contradicting yourself because you yourself are so far to one side you are not considering the arguments of the other which are widely spoken and you just bat them off as wrong.

So the main question is regarding that player statement and this subject.

Does it matter what colour skin the player has when the fans turn on them because of form ?

So I was wrong and one sided, because I dont agree with you? I've said I'm open to listen, but you've already made your mind up about me being wrong then? So wouldn't that mean you're being one sided also? Come on mate.

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I'll answer your last point.

No, of course it doesn't matter what colour the players skin is when you're slating them for dropping form. It doesnt matter BECAUSE you're not slating them for their skin colour, you're slating their performance, which has nothing to do with their skin colour. I'm really not sure what you're getting at there, my player point was how hard on one side people always are of an opinion with no want to listen to other points. I was using it as a framing device on how hard it is to talk about stuff like this without it turning petty or into an argument, which wasnt what I was attempting to do.

I actually have not said you are right or wrong and you dont know my views on this subject as I have not spoke about it. I just ask questions .

My point Is the skin colour does not matter when seeing a players form on a pitch because most people do not see it anymore . They dont get singled out because they are black in football just like they dont get singled out in life or by police in this country for doing something wrong . All the hard work of the last 30 years has been ruined by these protests as colour was not being seen before , now it is all that is seen because they have put everyone on a knife edge worrying if they speak out of turn or not.

IF the protests were peaceful and took into account the lockdown then these conversations would not even be taking place because the first 2 days they had the support of everybody until it turned violent and the looting started.

I dont really want to keep going back and forth, we both have our stances (whatever yours is) and I'm sure if we met down the football we would get on great.

But unfortunately you've only got to go onto a players mentions on Twitter after a bad performance to see it. Its happened in the stands, it happens. Its happened live on sky games as recently as not long before the lockdown with that fan getting caught on the sky cameras. These are just the football situations. In the grand scale of things it may be one person in 50,000, but that's one too many.

I'm not saying its widespread, I'm not saying its everyone, like anything the vocal minority ruins it for everyone.

We actually agree on some of it but because you only see one side and like most of the black lives matter protesters refuse to hear opposite arguements then it is impossible to have a discussion.
And that mindset is why this will rumble on for months and eventually fizzle out meaning no real change will be made for the issues that do exist in our country . No matter how big or small

Just my opinion but whether you agree or disagree with Kafka he does see more than one side.

I think black people are wonderful.They brought us the blues that went to be R@B then to rock..Bands like The Kinks The Stones Led Zep covered their songs.
They work in our hospitals along with Asians etc.We'd be fucked without them.
We've chanted their names when they've played for us.Dave and Gary Bennett .Earnie.Jay B.God 'knows what they'd think if they read this message board.It seems as if Cardiff hasn’t moved on from when Cardiff rugby’s Billy Boston had to move to Rugby League because he couldn’t get a Welsh cap because he was black.
I related a story of a Cardiff female student being abused by white guys in the City centre.You made it up they said.
I'm old enough to remember Aberfan.People came from everywhere to support and dig to find survivors.
Paul Robeson [American opera singer]stood by the Welsh miners in the 1920s.His career was badly affected by this.
Whatever happened to We'll keep a welcome in the hillside.
I glad I’ve never been involved with the hooligan element of this club.Your really not my kind of people.

Black lives matter

Well said mate. Black people have made a fantastic contribution to this country and to the USA, but are still treated as second class citizens by many. I find the majority of views on this forum to be very disturbing.

I too have been astonished by the vitriol of some posters on the site. The general election, Brexit and now BLM has brought Tommy Robinson cohorts out of the woodwork. The posts on here are so right wing they are almost Fascist and make Millwall look like liberals.

and what exactly has Millwall got to do with anything...

Ive seen a few people reply this morning defending themselves saying they're not racist. I've never called anyone on here racists, if you read the original post I never point anyone out or use any quotes from people on here but talk about the issue as a whole. I've said in another reply that calling people racist was not my agenda, it would just be a waste of time and start something that needn't not be started.

I dont feel like anything I have read on this forum is actually coming from a racist, but I was attempting to my put my opinion and argument across the best way I thought I could after seeing a lot of points I disagree with.

Another poster has asked is he racist because he supports churchill, no. I feel 100% that churchill's statues should be kept up DESPITE the controversial points against him because of the great things he did alongside them but ultimately had nothing to do with his previous comments. Maybe my paragraph on that should have been clearer on that.


Anyway, theres been some good points (and terrible points) made by people and theres a lot to think about and trust me I WILL be thinking about it, hopefully people on the other side have also been a little open to thinking about things a little differently. Nobody is ever going to do a complete 180, but there will always be middle ground to be made if people are willing.

Also, I'm not going to spend all day arguing this. So if I dont reply just know theres no hard feelings or resentment. It's just discourse.

I thought you wanted your account deleted?

I thought you wanted your account deleted?

Is this aimed at me? I dont want my account deleted, no.

Ive seen a few people reply this morning defending themselves saying they're not racist. I've never called anyone on here racists, if you read the original post I never point anyone out or use any quotes from people on here but talk about the issue as a whole. I've said in another reply that calling people racist was not my agenda, it would just be a waste of time and start something that needn't not be started.

I dont feel like anything I have read on this forum is actually coming from a racist, but I was attempting to my put my opinion and argument across the best way I thought I could after seeing a lot of points I disagree with.

Another poster has asked is he racist because he supports churchill, no. I feel 100% that churchill's statues should be kept up DESPITE the controversial points against him because of the great things he did alongside them but ultimately had nothing to do with his previous comments. Maybe my paragraph on that should have been clearer on that.


Anyway, theres been some good points (and terrible points) made by people and theres a lot to think about and trust me I WILL be thinking about it, hopefully people on the other side have also been a little open to thinking about things a little differently. Nobody is ever going to do a complete 180, but there will always be middle ground to be made if people are willing.

Also, I'm not going to spend all day arguing this. So if I dont reply just know theres no hard feelings or resentment. It's just discourse.

YOU think Churchills statue should stay... gee thanks.. and there in you have the problem we have individuals or small mobs thinking they call the shots.. well its a democracy mate
and exactly like Churchill ALL the statues/monuments/ war memorials were erected for the good/great things these people did for their communities/or the country and not things that are now rightfully seen as wrong .... sorry I don't see middle ground here for anyone that believes in democracy . your either mob rule and full of your own self importance all while suggesting anyone that is not is also right wing or fascist… or you believe in democracy...im the later.. the kick back to BLM isn't a race thing or even an anti protest thing .. its who the hell do you think you are attacking our heritage and history.. no debate no votes no petitions just a mob making decisions as they go. its lawless ,undemocratic immensely offensive and belongs in the 17th century which ironically is a way of life they apparently are complaining about...

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Ive seen a few people reply this morning defending themselves saying they're not racist. I've never called anyone on here racists, if you read the original post I never point anyone out or use any quotes from people on here but talk about the issue as a whole. I've said in another reply that calling people racist was not my agenda, it would just be a waste of time and start something that needn't not be started.

I dont feel like anything I have read on this forum is actually coming from a racist, but I was attempting to my put my opinion and argument across the best way I thought I could after seeing a lot of points I disagree with.

Another poster has asked is he racist because he supports churchill, no. I feel 100% that churchill's statues should be kept up DESPITE the controversial points against him because of the great things he did alongside them but ultimately had nothing to do with his previous comments. Maybe my paragraph on that should have been clearer on that.


Anyway, theres been some good points (and terrible points) made by people and theres a lot to think about and trust me I WILL be thinking about it, hopefully people on the other side have also been a little open to thinking about things a little differently. Nobody is ever going to do a complete 180, but there will always be middle ground to be made if people are willing.

Also, I'm not going to spend all day arguing this. So if I dont reply just know theres no hard feelings or resentment. It's just discourse.

So are you able to explain why you have assumed that police brutality is a “black issue” when all stats and data suggest anything but that? Honestly can’t fathom it.

I was similarly dumbfounded to see almost every single news station report the assumption that George Floyd’s killing was racist based on absolutely nothing at all other than the colour of the victims skin.

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Ive seen a few people reply this morning defending themselves saying they're not racist. I've never called anyone on here racists, if you read the original post I never point anyone out or use any quotes from people on here but talk about the issue as a whole. I've said in another reply that calling people racist was not my agenda, it would just be a waste of time and start something that needn't not be started.

I dont feel like anything I have read on this forum is actually coming from a racist, but I was attempting to my put my opinion and argument across the best way I thought I could after seeing a lot of points I disagree with.

Another poster has asked is he racist because he supports churchill, no. I feel 100% that churchill's statues should be kept up DESPITE the controversial points against him because of the great things he did alongside them but ultimately had nothing to do with his previous comments. Maybe my paragraph on that should have been clearer on that.


Anyway, theres been some good points (and terrible points) made by people and theres a lot to think about and trust me I WILL be thinking about it, hopefully people on the other side have also been a little open to thinking about things a little differently. Nobody is ever going to do a complete 180, but there will always be middle ground to be made if people are willing.

Also, I'm not going to spend all day arguing this. So if I dont reply just know theres no hard feelings or resentment. It's just discourse.

So are you able to explain why you have assumed that police brutality is a “black issue” when all stats and data suggest anything but that? Honestly can’t fathom it.

I was similarly dumbfounded to see almost every single news station report the assumption that George Floyd’s killing was racist based on absolutely nothing at all other than the colour of the victims skin.

democracy does not count
stats do not count
its only what the mob think at any given point that counts. well the mob and and the BBC . Kuennsberg report on the origins of this doing the knee thing yesterday had no mention of the national anthem or public opinion... just that Kaepernick had done it as a peaceful protest and Trump had heavily criticised it...

democracy does not count
stats do not count
its only what the mob think at any given point that counts. well the mob and and the BBC . Kuennsberg report on the origins of this doing the knee thing yesterday had no mention of the national anthem or public opinion... just that Kaepernick had done it as a peaceful protest and Trump had heavily criticised it...

It’s just ridiculous really.

The news reporting is the worst I have ever seen. Last I checked 18 people have died in these riots and the latest conservative estimate is $2bn worth of damage. Yet they insist the protests are peaceful even though buildings are literally burning to the ground in the background.... Yet when the Trump marches were going on they were labelled “domestic terrorists”. Anyone who calls these protests “riots” are labelled racist.

It’s 2020, black people are not oppressed in America, many black people are now speaking out regarding this thankfully. There is a vested interest in the attempted race division at the moment, it happens most election years. The Democratic Party gear their whole campaigns towards people of colour and vast majority of BLM donations go to Democratic Party donations. It’s political not racism, but the more angry they can get the black community the easier it is to convert them to vote against the Republicans, even though statistically the worst areas to live in America for Black Americans are democratic run states.

But that’s why the extreme lefties don’t like reality facts or statistics - because they never back up what they are claiming and always show the exact opposite. Which is why they have to massage the stats and compare against population which goes without saying is the most illogical and nonsensical calculation you could possibly do.

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Exactly!!
This is what grinds my gears. Unless you support BLM fully, you’re racist. Absolute rubbish.

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Exactly!!
This is what grinds my gears. Unless you support BLM fully, you’re racist. Absolute rubbish.

There are droves of black people that also don’t support BLM.

But they are quickly shouted down by the idiots.

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Exactly!!
This is what grinds my gears. Unless you support BLM fully, you’re racist. Absolute rubbish.

There are droves of black people that also don’t support BLM.

But they are quickly shouted down by the idiots.

Exactly.

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Exactly!!
This is what grinds my gears. Unless you support BLM fully, you’re racist. Absolute rubbish.

That’s what’s winding me up and I won’t be forced to support something I don’t believe or agree with.
All lives matter and I respect everyone as equal

Difference of opinion on here or anywhere else doesn't mean racism.

Spot on

Exactly!!
This is what grinds my gears. Unless you support BLM fully, you’re racist. Absolute rubbish.

That’s what’s winding me up and I won’t be forced to support something I don’t believe or agree with.
All lives matter and I respect everyone as equal

My thoughts exactly

Very good post mate. I too have been shocked at some of the posts on here. Saying all lives matter is ridiculous IMO and I think you highlighted exactly why. It states BLM because black lives have not been equal to white lives and it’s time it changed. That’s all BLM want is equality nothing better, nothin worse.

I get it now.. BLM really means BLM too .. the printer left it out and they are suing him...

??? Not sure what you mean mate. Are you saying I did t get it before. I’ve always been in support of BLM.

Very good post mate. I too have been shocked at some of the posts on here. Saying all lives matter is ridiculous IMO and I think you highlighted exactly why. It states BLM because black lives have not been equal to white lives and it’s time it changed. That’s all BLM want is equality nothing better, nothin worse.

I get it now.. BLM really means BLM too .. the printer left it out and they are suing him...

Not read full contents to boring but get the feeling he's back remember this name last time it appeared and contents are same M.O

What do you mean? I posted the same last time in regards to BLM? I remain consistent and my views haven’t changed?

Very good post mate. I too have been shocked at some of the posts on here. Saying all lives matter is ridiculous IMO and I think you highlighted exactly why. It states BLM because black lives have not been equal to white lives and it’s time it changed. That’s all BLM want is equality nothing better, nothin worse.

I get it now.. BLM really means BLM too .. the printer left it out and they are suing him...

??? Not sure what you mean mate. Are you saying I did t get it before. I’ve always been in support of BLM.

i was being sarcastic... about me not getting and then getting the..too on the end.. which of course is nonsense.. its BLM deliberately ,had they wished it be be BLM2 and would have been but for a mistake it would by now be sorted..
and i think Allens post was referring to roathty and not you

Saying ‘All Lives Matter’ would be better for their cause. It follows that use of the word black will only inject the unfairness you speak of.

I thought you wanted your account deleted?

Is this aimed at me? I dont want my account deleted, no.

not you but YDdraigGwyn

Ive seen a few people reply this morning defending themselves saying they're not racist. I've never called anyone on here racists, if you read the original post I never point anyone out or use any quotes from people on here but talk about the issue as a whole. I've said in another reply that calling people racist was not my agenda, it would just be a waste of time and start something that needn't not be started.

I dont feel like anything I have read on this forum is actually coming from a racist, but I was attempting to my put my opinion and argument across the best way I thought I could after seeing a lot of points I disagree with.

Another poster has asked is he racist because he supports churchill, no. I feel 100% that churchill's statues should be kept up DESPITE the controversial points against him because of the great things he did alongside them but ultimately had nothing to do with his previous comments. Maybe my paragraph on that should have been clearer on that.


Anyway, theres been some good points (and terrible points) made by people and theres a lot to think about and trust me I WILL be thinking about it, hopefully people on the other side have also been a little open to thinking about things a little differently. Nobody is ever going to do a complete 180, but there will always be middle ground to be made if people are willing.

Also, I'm not going to spend all day arguing this. So if I dont reply just know theres no hard feelings or resentment. It's just discourse.

So are you able to explain why you have assumed that police brutality is a “black issue” when all stats and data suggest anything but that? Honestly can’t fathom it.

I was similarly dumbfounded to see almost every single news station report the assumption that George Floyd’s killing was racist based on absolutely nothing at all other than the colour of the victims skin.

I thought you wanted your account deleted?

Since his latest reincarnation he’s actually been speaking sense. It’s either the new handle is a lucky charm, or talking football isn’t his forte.

[quote="rumpo kid"]Since his latest reincarnation he’s actually been speaking sense. It’s either the new handle is a lucky charm, or talking football isn’t his forte.[/quote

Quite

I thought you wanted your account deleted?

No idea what you are referring to. Why would I want my account deleted?

Since his latest reincarnation he’s actually been speaking sense. It’s either the new handle is a lucky charm, or talking football isn’t his forte.

My views are my views, they are the same regardless of what username they are forced to be made through.