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Re: The people of Wales will decide

Wed May 20, 2020 8:06 am

Panzermouse wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Panzermouse wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Panzermouse wrote:
bluebirdCF14 wrote:The people of Wales will continue to vote Labour for years like their fathers and grandfather's. I'm Welsh but when it comes to politics we are like sheep and its embarrassing.

The Welsh Labour government have an NHS budget like every other country. The people of Wales are proud that we all get FREE prescriptions. However these same people are stupid because they don't realise that this money could have been better spent investing in technology to make the NHS more efficient (in the Health last year we had to wait in a hospital bed for 2 hours while 2 nurses tried to find a hospital discharge book! I even asked them if they had ever heard of computers, in the end they made a note on a post it pad)

I'm sure I'll get slated now but wake up people, Wales' Labour NHS is not fit for purpose and that's why the lockdown is extended here.


So would you now like to explain exactly how that money could be better spent on technology to improve NHS efficiency? I get free (after I've paid tax for them) prescriptions and am clearly intellectually sub- normal in your book.




you don't think the prescription money could be better spent elsewhere.. ?
there was no public outcry for them to become free it was just WAG wanting to do something different.. as long as I can remember and as long as I live our NHS has and will be underfunded. the free scripts was defo one thing they didn't need to be adding to the bill..


No I don't think the money could be better spent elsewhere, its basic healthcare. South Wales in particular is one of the most socially deprived areas in Europe with high levels of sickness to match due to a number of factors including the people suffering the effects of its heavy industrial past. Now let's say for example a man has Hypertension but it could be for any illness and gets a free script for a drug to control it which costs the NHS £100 per year. This is a fictional amount as I have no idea of the actual cost. If he can't afford to pay for his script and then has a heart attack or Stroke and has to be taken to and treated in hospital it costs significantly more money for his treatment than the £100 script. Prevention is always better than cure, cheaper too I'm sure you'll agree.


It wouldn't cost £100 a year that the problem, and because it's free people will take medicines that they don't necessarily need, the wastage is unbelievable.

We probably won't agree because if people need them they are always going to vote for the free option, and let the taxpayers pay, and that's fine, people obviously look at issues through different perspectives.


Have you missed the line where I said £100 was a FICTIONAL AMOUNT AS I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE ACTUAL COST but you are indeed correct that it wouldn't cost £100. Because now I've looked up the cost of one year's worth of Atenolol and its £9.84 per year which is a significant saving for the taxpayer opposed to treatment for an inpatient in hospital which runs into many thousands. Do you know what Hypertension is? It's high blood pressure which if left untreated with medication causes heart attack and or Stroke among other things. Deadly and debilitating I'm sure you'll agree. I've only used Hypertension as an example as many in Wales have it. I should also mention that anyone who takes prescription medication they don't need is playing a dangerous game and I personally don't know anyone that daft. Everyone pays some form of tax therefore we are all taxpayers.


The real problem is people going to the doctors and wasting time to request free nappy cream, calpol and paracetamol, this increases the cost through Doctors and pharmacists having to deal with prescriptions that can be bought at Tesco.

If you give some people the chance of a free option some people will take it and abuse it, in other words order way more than they need and not use it all before ordering more!

Also people will stockpile meds, as they keep ordering even though repeat prescription and stop taking them, you ask any pharmacist.

Re: The people of Wales will decide

Wed May 20, 2020 11:36 am

bluesince62 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
Ninianman wrote:When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.



You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided? :old: :bluebird:



its hardly normal , I can list a few dozen things id like to do but cannot. and the point of easing the restrictions is that we have a bit more freedom...



My point was the amount of traffic and pedestrians,was a lot heavier than previously seen on my rounds,so to me it looked a normal day,what they were allowed to be doing wasn't what I said?and as of yet,we haven't eased restrictions here in Wales yet, so queues of cars,all day long stretching 20 deep at burger king is what,essential travel? I'm all for relaxing the lockdown,as for many (in my view) it seems to have already been happening, or do you believe a trip to BK should be allowed, because it's food? :old: :bluebird:



yes I do think getting out of the house is essential whether your going to the doctors or just to burger king...and its open so its allowed...

Re: The people of Wales will decide

Wed May 20, 2020 6:17 pm

bluesince62 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
Ninianman wrote:When the lockdown will end,Drakeford will be left behind playing catch up.
The man is beyond useless.



You mean there is a lockdown still in place? ? On my rounds today,it looked very much like a normal day, people out everywhere, traffic up a considerable amount, massive queues at burger king,b&q car park full,regardless of who is in power,as you say,the people seemed to have already decided? :old: :bluebird:



its hardly normal , I can list a few dozen things id like to do but cannot. and the point of easing the restrictions is that we have a bit more freedom...



My point was the amount of traffic and pedestrians,was a lot heavier than previously seen on my rounds,so to me it looked a normal day,what they were allowed to be doing wasn't what I said?and as of yet,we haven't eased restrictions here in Wales yet, so queues of cars,all day long stretching 20 deep at burger king is what,essential travel? I'm all for relaxing the lockdown,as for many (in my view) it seems to have already been happening, or do you believe a trip to BK should be allowed, because it's food? :old: :bluebird:


The staff there would think it’s essential that they earning a full wage. What’s essential for you isn’t essential for other and vice versa. All about viewpoints and opinions.