As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

Agree seems like coz annis and Spain is in lockdown everyone has too ,Spain s death toll is horrendous for there population ,most people are keeping to the measures the government put in place the roads are dead ,going for a walk bot interacting with other people will not infect you

That's right wez. If you took London out of the equation it would have been a different story but London gets so many visitors internationally it was inevitable to be the epicentre.
It's the way you say."pretend lock down" annis and other things is very patronising. People a lot more intelligent than you or I have a lot more information than you or I.

I like annis but I must admit I havnt been coming on here much coz fed up of the british virus bashing we are all staying home and all we get is these silly headlines

Me too. And I like this forum but I have rarely bothered because of it. We have a thread to post anything positive but gotta find that thread between all the negative.

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I like annis but I must admit I havnt been coming on here much coz fed up of the british virus bashing we are all staying home and all we get is these silly headlines

Wez it does not sound that you like Annis, I am with him on this, I believe the lockdown should have been done sooner and much more stringent, even if the more stingent rules were started first just in London, then perhaps London would not have had so many deaths, because lets be honest stingent rules would have gone along way to stop the idiots that flouted the advice and then still took no notice when it became mandatary!

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I like annis but I must admit I havnt been coming on here much coz fed up of the british virus bashing we are all staying home and all we get is these silly headlines

Wez it does not sound that you like Annis, I am with him on this, I believe the lockdown should have been done sooner and much more stringent, even if the more stingent rules were started first just in London, then perhaps London would not have had so many deaths, because lets be honest stingent rules would have gone along way to stop the idiots that flouted the advice and then still took no notice when it became mandatary!

I like annis and we speak regularly in the past so dont try to belittle me and say untruths! I dont agree that any stricker measures would of made a blind bit of difference also tbh I believe the top scientists rather than people on a forum

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I like annis but I must admit I havnt been coming on here much coz fed up of the british virus bashing we are all staying home and all we get is these silly headlines

Wez it does not sound that you like Annis, I am with him on this, I believe the lockdown should have been done sooner and much more stringent, even if the more stingent rules were started first just in London, then perhaps London would not have had so many deaths, because lets be honest stingent rules would have gone along way to stop the idiots that flouted the advice and then still took no notice when it became mandatary!

I like annis and we speak regularly in the past so dont try to belittle me and say untruths! I dont agree that any stricker measures would of made a blind bit of difference also tbh I believe the top scientists rather than people on a forum

Untruths? "it does not sound" is what I said, why would i want to belittle you, a forum is a forum just that, and it is my opinion that a more stringent approach would have saved more lives, and as for the scientists, they are like all of us, it is just a guess as whether a more stringent lockdown would not have made any difference, perhaps you think that they have a cristal ball. This virus is something completely new, and even when it is all over, we may never know if the way it has been handled would have been the right way.
ps. there are many scientists out there who think that many more lives would have been saved if a lockdown had been instigated sooner and more stringent, so really it all depends on what scientists you would care to believe

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

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I like annis but I must admit I havnt been coming on here much coz fed up of the british virus bashing we are all staying home and all we get is these silly headlines

Wez it does not sound that you like Annis, I am with him on this, I believe the lockdown should have been done sooner and much more stringent, even if the more stingent rules were started first just in London, then perhaps London would not have had so many deaths, because lets be honest stingent rules would have gone along way to stop the idiots that flouted the advice and then still took no notice when it became mandatary!

I like annis and we speak regularly in the past so dont try to belittle me and say untruths! I dont agree that any stricker measures would of made a blind bit of difference also tbh I believe the top scientists rather than people on a forum

Untruths? "it does not sound" is what I said, why would i want to belittle you, a forum is a forum just that, and it is my opinion that a more stringent approach would have saved more lives, and as for the scientists, they are like all of us, it is just a guess as whether a more stringent lockdown would not have made any difference, perhaps you think that they have a cristal ball. This virus is something completely new, and even when it is all over, we may never know if the way it has been handled would have been the right way.
ps. there are many scientists out there who think that many more lives would have been saved if a lockdown had been instigated sooner and more stringent, so really it all depends on what scientists you would care to believe

Thank you Roger, I have been posting common sense and facts , yes negative,m but not many positive things to put out lately Sadly


I was a massive fan of Boris before this Virus, but we all have different opinions and mine is that The Govt have been way to weak and sadly I wanted to be proved wrong, but its looking like he has been to soft.

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

i dont think Boris used the term lockdown, im not sure why there is this altitude to the UK.

Never used to see anybody pass the house before lockdown now it’s like a 24 hour airport road always traffic as it busy thoroughfare but even that’s like M25 Lockdown is bull shit every loop hole been found and abused : All B&Q Range bandm. Willow poundstretcher home bargains have queues everyday for as long as the eye can see and there not buying food or medicines either !!!! JOKE

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

The virus was already out of control, before the Govt took tough action in Spain.

The island of Spain I live on Mallorca approx 1.4mill with registered and non registered people living here in the winter, the strict lockdown has been spot on, hurting us in the head as you can see by my outbursts of late but has stopped us from dying and becoming seriously ill.

I will stand by this, I think Boris has got it wrong .

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

The virus was already out of control, before the Govt took tough action in Spain.

The island of Spain I live on Mallorca approx 1.4mill with registered and non registered people living here in the winter, the strict lockdown has been spot on, hurting us in the head as you can see by my outbursts of late but has stopped us from dying and becoming seriously ill.

I will stand by this, I think Boris has got it wrong .

And you may well be right mate. Time will tell for sure but it does seem like your having a snipe all the time.

I however think herd immunity is almost inevitable unfortunately as I don't think this will be going away anytime soon and we can't stay locked down forever as our economy will be worthless and that in turn will result in lots of deaths

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

The virus was already out of control, before the Govt took tough action in Spain.

The island of Spain I live on Mallorca approx 1.4mill with registered and non registered people living here in the winter, the strict lockdown has been spot on, hurting us in the head as you can see by my outbursts of late but has stopped us from dying and becoming seriously ill.

I will stand by this, I think Boris has got it wrong .

And you may well be right mate. Time will tell for sure but it does seem like your having a snipe all the time.

I however think herd immunity is almost inevitable unfortunately as I don't think this will be going away anytime soon and we can't stay locked down forever as our economy will be worthless and that in turn will result in lots of deaths

Yes I have had quite a lot of snipes, but aimed at the minority only who have been morons.

But to those who have stayed isolated and being respectful in the UK, I have the highest Respect for

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

The virus was already out of control, before the Govt took tough action in Spain.

The island of Spain I live on Mallorca approx 1.4mill with registered and non registered people living here in the winter, the strict lockdown has been spot on, hurting us in the head as you can see by my outbursts of late but has stopped us from dying and becoming seriously ill.

I will stand by this, I think Boris has got it wrong .

And you may well be right mate. Time will tell for sure but it does seem like your having a snipe all the time.

I however think herd immunity is almost inevitable unfortunately as I don't think this will be going away anytime soon and we can't stay locked down forever as our economy will be worthless and that in turn will result in lots of deaths

Yes I have had quite a lot of snipes, but aimed at the minority only who have been morons.

But to those who have stayed isolated and being respectful in the UK, I have the highest Respect for

I have no problem with singling out morons but you seem to talk about UK as a whole that's all. I mean no disrespect but I feel your overdoing it. My opinion I guess

A senior analyst within the Bank of England predicts that if continued the lock down will result in the UK experiencing conditions similar to those faced in Weimar Germany post 1929 crash.He used a more recent analogy that of the catastrophic inflation of Zimbabwe. Projected borrowing along these lines to cover furloughing half a trillion pounds.It will not be just our children picking up the tab but our grandchildren. Current death rate in Wales .000209%, infection rate at 8500 hospital stats .0027%.I will add another three thousand for Care Homes .0037% of the population.We need to get real here if these clowns do not get a grip the economic armageddon coming down the pipe will make the Covid19 crisis look like a walk in the park 6-7 million out of work.

Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks

NEVER EVER HAVE SAID SPAIN HAS DONE WELL AS THEY GOT IT WRONG AT THE BEGINNING AS DID ITALY.

I have said that from day one and they were only passing in their failures and advice from it.

The people I have the highest respect for and listened and stayed strong and never took the piss.

Don’t forget they are weeks ahead of the UK and yet UK now passed them in deaths.

What Spanish did not do was have public BBQ’s and gatherings and meetings and picnics etc they used their common sense and have stay 100% isolated for now 40 days .

You can not deny the amount of morons there have been through this virus in the UK?

There have been morons ofcourse. But we have no idea whether this lock down will make a massive difference in the longterm. If this doesn't go away those countries who haven't had it bad have a good chance of a bad 2nd wave as apposed to those who have had it worse and are less likely to a bad 2nd wave. Its just the way you go on about Spain and there hard lock down compared to ours has made a big difference but for there population Spain has been worse even with it

The virus was already out of control, before the Govt took tough action in Spain.

The island of Spain I live on Mallorca approx 1.4mill with registered and non registered people living here in the winter, the strict lockdown has been spot on, hurting us in the head as you can see by my outbursts of late but has stopped us from dying and becoming seriously ill.

I will stand by this, I think Boris has got it wrong .

And you may well be right mate. Time will tell for sure but it does seem like your having a snipe all the time.

I however think herd immunity is almost inevitable unfortunately as I don't think this will be going away anytime soon and we can't stay locked down forever as our economy will be worthless and that in turn will result in lots of deaths

Yes I have had quite a lot of snipes, but aimed at the minority only who have been morons.

But to those who have stayed isolated and being respectful in the UK, I have the highest Respect for

I have no problem with singling out morons but you seem to talk about UK as a whole that's all. I mean no disrespect but I feel your overdoing it. My opinion I guess

I 99% of the time in my posts say minority.

My daughter is still there and all My best friends and they have all been very sensible and I have friends all over the UK so I would never mean the whole of the UK, but the minority are what make the headlines on news, tv, papers and over here .

Greece did an early lockdown said they listened to Spain & Italy, they had lockdown and only had 125 deaths in the whole country and now zero deaths

They saying delaying it is wrong.

A senior analyst within the Bank of England predicts that if continued the lock down will result in the UK experiencing conditions similar to those faced in Weimar Germany post 1929 crash.He used a more recent analogy that of the catastrophic inflation of Zimbabwe. Projected borrowing along these lines to cover furloughing half a trillion pounds.It will not be just our children picking up the tab but our grandchildren. Current death rate in Wales .000209%, infection rate at 8500 hospital stats .0027%.I will add another three thousand for Care Homes .0037% of the population.We need to get real here if these clowns do not get a grip the economic armageddon coming down the pipe will make the Covid19 crisis look like a walk in the park 6-7 million out of work.

not sure what your suggesting here mate.. shouldn't have locked down. should come out of lockdown ?

They need the antibody test(95% or so)..that’ll be the key to it.

Didn’t we go into lockdown a day after Germany..not sure, but I can’t see the airlines taking passengers until they can be sure no one is infected. So there may not be any flights anyway.

Not sure if we were only a day behind,but it was very soon after.as for airlines (the ones still in business that is) will be desperate to get going, and as proven,they couldn't care less about the passenger! Money talks! As someone has aluded to,a lot of people will not want to be sat in close proximity to a stranger,as for countries not wanting us,that's a bold statement to make,and could be a costly one? I don't get Annis constantly pointing out what we all know,that our government and police,couldn't manage a full lockdown,simply not enough numbers of police for one,but the vast majority are doing as requested, even if it took a little long for some to get the message, its the piss weak response to the rule breakers that is the problem,no real deterrent with low fines,look at the mobile phone use that still goes on,despite it being illegal! ! And to say the reporting of deaths is confusing,is an understatement!

Problem is that lockdown procedures will be different for every country. Greece has a population density of 82 per km/2 (and has 800 Islands or so), Spain 92, and England 424. If you consider the larger population of the UK, and the R-nought of this virus, it was always going to be more difficult to control here.

Spains figures are skewed by Madrid(5,400) and London(4,500) and New York(26,000 per sq.mile) the same for their respective countries.

Thats not to excuse the ignorant here tho, like the girl in Tesco Canton yesterday who came and stood about a foot away at the shelves, and all the numpties at the beaches etc.

Cardiff has a pop. density of 6,400 per sq/km, quite compact really. Re: Greece and the Islands, not sure how many live there or are inhabited. Very nice part of the World..

Greece did an early lockdown said they listened to Spain & Italy, they had lockdown and only had 125 deaths in the whole country and now zero deaths

They saying delaying it is wrong.

To get 125 deaths only means the had prob just 1 or 2 people travel into the country with it where as we would of had 100s

Never used to see anybody pass the house before lockdown now it’s like a 24 hour airport road always traffic as it busy thoroughfare but even that’s like M25 Lockdown is bull shit every loop hole been found and abused : All B&Q Range bandm. Willow poundstretcher home bargains have queues everyday for as long as the eye can see and there not buying food or medicines either !!!! JOKE

Your road is always a steady flow road mate and I would have been one of the said people driving past this week

Lockdown 'could be eased' within three weeks

Some restrictions in Wales could be eased at the end of the current three-week lockdown period, the first minister has said.

Speaking on BBC Radio Wales, Mr Drakeford said Wales would come out of lockdown in three phases “like a traffic light in reverse”, seeing restrictions gradually lifted.

Asked when Wales would reach the first stage of lifting restrictions, Mr Drakeford said: “I hope we will be in a position to do that at the end of the current three-week lockdown period."

However he warned this would only happen if Wales had met the tests set out in the Welsh Government’s framework for exiting the lockdown, which will be published later on Friday.

“We will have to have had hospital admissions falling consistently for 14 days," he said.

“They have been falling over the last week so it’s not impossible that we will get to that point and in that case we can move into the red zone.”

Shadow home secretary calls for public debate on lockdown

Shadow home secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds said there should be a "public debate" about how the UK could lift the Covid-19 restriction.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, the Labour MP for Torfaen said: "The government needs to be open about its approach to the different options for easing the lockdown, to be transparent about how the different options are going to be considered and how they are going to be evaluated.

"What I would like to see then is a real public debate, looking at the public health options, looking at the economic impact.

"This is so important because the British public are making great sacrifices every day and deserve a government that is open about its future plans."

One thing is certain unless there is an out for the current situation we are heading towards an economic meltdown the like of which has never been experienced, not my words but a senior analyst with the Bank of England:

Continuance of present conditions by late autumn level of borrowing half a trillion pounds

Recent productivity nosedived off the scale makes 2008 look like a minor hiccup

Huge wipe out within hospitality and service sectors unemployment up to six million

Debt incurred will be paid by our grandchildren never mind our children

The social consequences of this are horrific poverty and crime will escalate rapidly

Benefit expenditure will increase borrowing demands on the exchequer seeing as VAT/Income tax receipts at a standstill

Current death rate per population in Wales .00002% Hospital figures 649
Current Death Rate I will bump it up to 1000 for Hospital and care home deaths .00032%

Infection rate hospital 8500 persons .0027% of population
I will bump it up to 12500 for anticipated rates of infection for care homes .004% of population

Are we prepared, more importantly is this government prepared to collapse our economy for a generation on these rates?

Food for thought

How exercise rules are being tightened from Saturday

People should exercise “as close as possible” to home, according to the Welsh Government’s updated lockdown rules.

The restrictions around exercising have been tightened to clamp down on unnecessary travel.

Cyclists are being told they should travel no farther than a “reasonable walking distance from home”.

The new rules will come into force on Saturday morning.

They make it clear people should not drive to a location to do exercise unless it is absolutely necessary. For example, a wheelchair user would be allowed to travel to a nearby space if they were not able to exercise immediately outside their home.

There is also a warning that people should not use exercise as an "excuse” to do something else, for example having a picnic or sitting for “a prolonged period” on a park bench.

Cyclists are told to “take steps to manage risk” in order to avoid putting extra strain emergency services and to stick to routes they know well.

They should also stay two metres from others, the rules say.

Shapps: End to lockdown lies in 'your own hands'

The Transport Secretary has urged people to stay home over what is expected to be another warm and sunny weekend.

Grant Shapps said:

"The country has done incredibly well in adhering to social distancing and there is a danger as we go into yet another warm sunny weekend that people think that perhaps these graphs are showing that the peak is over.

"It isn't over, we're riding perhaps, we hope, a downward trend but it is by no means, no means established yet.

"When people ask me when will the measures, the social distancing, the stay at home measures, be altered, my answer in some ways is that some of this lies in your own hands."

Greece did an early lockdown said they listened to Spain & Italy, they had lockdown and only had 125 deaths in the whole country and now zero deaths

They saying delaying it is wrong.

To get 125 deaths only means the had prob just 1 or 2 people travel into the country with it where as we would of had 100s

baptisms..weddings...exercise..?

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/23/t ... and-donts/


another country that didn't go down hard and got better results...bit of a trend here....

Former police chief: police will be worried about lifting lockdown

Police will be "very nervous" about the relaxation of social distancing measures and how it can be monitored, a former chief constable has said.

Sir Peter Fahy said it would be important for businesses to "police" the rules themselves as more activities open to the public during the coronavirus pandemic.

The former chief constable of Greater Manchester Police told BBC Breakfast on Saturday he had heard "suggestions" that gatherings could be limited to 10 people from two households.

He said: "The police do not want to get into the game of having to count how many people are in a house and where they have come from.

"If there's things like 'do it yourself' warehouses opening, that's fine, but police don't want to be called to have to deal with disputes in the queues or anything like that.

"I think it's really important as more activities open up, which is really important, that those businesses and organisations in effect police it themselves."

Former chancellor calls for UK to start reopening economy

Former chancellor Philip Hammond has called on the UK government to begin easing the coronavirus lockdown.

"The reality is that we have to start reopening the economy. But we have to do it living with Covid," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"We can't wait until a vaccine is developed, produced in sufficient quantity and rolled out across the population. The economy won't survive that long.”

He added that measures to protect the population from the virus would be needed alongside any reopening of the economy.

Just why did the UK ignore everyone else and why so many acting like it was a paid holiday


Officially:

UK now the worst in Europe and scone worst in the world behind USA

Including deaths for Scotland and Northern Ireland, the toll on this measure now exceeds 30,000.

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