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Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:01 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:
dogfound wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:There will be around 900 deaths recorded today in the UK - And this is back on the rise ...

Who was it in this country said we will try and keep this down to 20,000 deaths ??



would you have preferred ..we are going for more than ?


I am making a point of people not listening - and as long as that goes on the numbers will get higher .
2nd point i was NOT the ONE who gave a figure at the start what the target was !!!



giving any number in all of this is a mistake. even if you lead with try and keep it under..

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:03 pm

dogfound wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:
dogfound wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:There will be around 900 deaths recorded today in the UK - And this is back on the rise ...

Who was it in this country said we will try and keep this down to 20,000 deaths ??



would you have preferred ..we are going for more than ?


I am making a point of people not listening - and as long as that goes on the numbers will get higher .
2nd point i was NOT the ONE who gave a figure at the start what the target was !!!



giving any number in all of this is a mistake. even if you lead with try and keep it under..


See below - not my words -

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:04 pm

UK coronavirus death toll of 20,000 'a good outcome', says chief scientific adviser

Sir Patrick Vallance hopeful that Government's 'extreme' demands on public could cut mortality rate

By
Laura Donnelly,

HEALTH EDITOR
17 March 2020 • 7:56pm

Keeping the number of deaths from coronavirus to less than 20,000 would be "a good outcome" of the Government strategy to battle the pandemic, the UK's chief scientific adviser has said.

Sir Patrick Vallance told MPs that even though deaths on this scale would be "horrible" and "enormous", it was still a hopeful scenario for Government planners.

Researchers behind the modelling said the change in approach had been prompted by evidence from Italy showing that around 30 per cent of hospitalised cases needed intensive care, and an assessment of what the NHS could cope with.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:08 pm

As you can see keeping it "Under " - sometimes comes back as an embarrassment - or false info / lies / how do you see it ??

As i said NOT MY WORDS - Peoples Lives .

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:39 pm

dogfound wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Around 15,000 passengers are still entering England every day.



yes mostly British citizens, im sure you could come back too..


When the Foreign Secretary was asked that , he never answered.

No I am trying to get My19 year old daughter over here, with very little success .

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:43 pm

UK being the worse is presently far from correct at the moment, but yes could alter and anyone's guess.
Presently Belgium stands at 445 per million pop. And Spain just behind on 417. UK are presently on 225 and app a week behind Spain in terms of time scale. UK would need lose up to 30.000 to equal the present figures of Belgium and Spain. Let's all pray that doesn't happen.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:49 pm

I have started work as a Tesco Delivery Home Driver based out of Western Avenue Cardiff. I have spent much of the last ew weeks out on the road and I have to say that there is very little traffic, people are so mindful of social distancing and everyone is following the guidelines very well. I do think that the public are really doing their bit. God willing we will all get through this :bluescarf:

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:58 pm

dannyblue wrote:UK being the worse is presently far from correct at the moment, but yes could alter and anyone's guess.
Presently Belgium stands at 445 per million pop. And Spain just behind on 417. UK are presently on 225 and app a week behind Spain in terms of time scale. UK would need lose up to 30.000 to equal the present figures of Belgium and Spain. Let's all pray that doesn't happen.


The reason it's not up there as the worst is simple - Home/ Care deaths are not on that list - unlike France - Spain - Italy .
They take 5 days or more to be recorded - so if they are added - different storey ( Sadly ) .
But as you say - Let's all pray that doesn't happen .

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:34 am

Forever Blue wrote:Around 15,000 passengers are still entering England every day.


Also what seems to be forgotten of late is what is still going on at the coast -

Home Office staff have been seen fitting face masks to suspected migrants at Dover.

Pictures showed Immigration Enforcement officers, themselves wearing masks and gloves, processing them at the port.

A total of 25 men and four women in three vessels arrived off the Kent coast between 04:30 and 12:00 BST.

The Home Office said it was "standard practice" for migrants who arrive on small boats to be given face masks, fitted by individuals themselves.

April has been the busiest month on record for small boat crossings, with more than 350 people reaching England.

The Home Office said the coronavirus pandemic was having "no impact on our operational response" to crossings.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:24 am

London's Heathrow airport normally has about 600 flights landing on an average day, but in lockdown Britain, about 60 arrive daily.

Other UK airports are receiving a tiny number of flights between them. But the number is still high enough to trouble MPs, who on Friday received a letter from the UK aviation minister explaining why flights were still in the air.

It is the airlines, who say nearly all of their passengers on their flights into Heathrow are people heading home, which decide which routes to run.

Foreign Office announces four charter flights from Bangladesh to the UK

The Foreign Office has announced four charter flights from Bangladesh to the UK, bringing back up to 850 British people.

The flights will depart for London from Dhaka on April 21, 23, 25 and 26, with accompanying transfers from Sylhet.

Priority will initially be given to those most at risk from coronavirus, including the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am

Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:27 am

Forever Blue wrote:Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s


TBH Annis no country has any real idea of the true death figure due to COVID-19. According to the article below Spain is having much the same argument as the UK over the numbers dying in Care Homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:13 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s


TBH Annis no country has any real idea of the true death figure due to COVID-19. According to the article below Spain is having much the same argument as the UK over the numbers dying in Care Homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

Meanwhile Russia reckons deaths in the hundreds and the figures coming out of China seem way off.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:18 pm

Jock wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s


TBH Annis no country has any real idea of the true death figure due to COVID-19. According to the article below Spain is having much the same argument as the UK over the numbers dying in Care Homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

Meanwhile Russia reckons deaths in the hundreds and the figures coming out of China seem way off.


Some include death as a consequence of Corona, some death with presence of Corona, some not even counting.

Apples and oranges.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:57 pm

jimmy_rat wrote:
Jock wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s


TBH Annis no country has any real idea of the true death figure due to COVID-19. According to the article below Spain is having much the same argument as the UK over the numbers dying in Care Homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

Meanwhile Russia reckons deaths in the hundreds and the figures coming out of China seem way off.


Some include death as a consequence of Corona, some death with presence of Corona, some not even counting.

Apples and oranges.


I'm sure at one of the press conferences one of the experts stated that it was agreed the unit of measurement would be deaths which occurred in hospital with patients who had tested positive for COVID-19.

Not sure if all countries are now sticking to that or are including all deaths where COVID-19 is suspected? Clearly in the case of Russia and China they are making the figures up as they go along.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:09 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:
dogfound wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:There will be around 900 deaths recorded today in the UK - And this is back on the rise ...

Who was it in this country said we will try and keep this down to 20,000 deaths ??



would you have preferred ..we are going for more than ?


I am making a point of people not listening - and as long as that goes on the numbers will get higher .
2nd point i was NOT the ONE who gave a figure at the start what the target was !!!


I totally agree Tony

Re: UODATED: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:05 pm

888 deaths UK today, once agin not including care homes :cry:

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:07 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:
Jock wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Sky News :

“There are anything up to 5,000 deaths in care homes in the UK, not included in the daily reports.”

Spain and Italy have included them in there’s


TBH Annis no country has any real idea of the true death figure due to COVID-19. According to the article below Spain is having much the same argument as the UK over the numbers dying in Care Homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

Meanwhile Russia reckons deaths in the hundreds and the figures coming out of China seem way off.


Some include death as a consequence of Corona, some death with presence of Corona, some not even counting.

Apples and oranges.


I'm sure at one of the press conferences one of the experts stated that it was agreed the unit of measurement would be deaths which occurred in hospital with patients who had tested positive for COVID-19.

Not sure if all countries are now sticking to that or are including all deaths where COVID-19 is suspected? Clearly in the case of Russia and China they are making the figures up as they go along.



the vast majority of deaths are from people in the later years of their lives with other serious illnesses so I would imagine most are not straight forward calls... my fathers death { 10 years ago now } had pneumonia on death certificate but in reality he was terminal with 3 other massive issues and was so weak and close to death a common cold would have been enough to finish him off..

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebina wrote:I don't think that's true, Belgium, Spain, Italy and France look well ahead of us at the moment?

Spain and Belgium are twice as bad :o

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/


Lets hope your right, but BBC & Sky had the above as main headline at 1pm on the News, hopefully they are wrong.

Dont forget UK does not include Care homes or private homes, which is a couple more thousand.

Spain does and is slowing down every day.

I think that the BBC and Sky News have their own agenda to make as much mischief they can for the Johnson Government abley assisted by the Labour Party

Re: UODATED: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:32 pm

Number of cases and deaths

As of 9am 18 April, 460,437 tests have concluded, with 21,389 tests on 17 April.

357,023 people have been tested of which 114,217 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 17 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 15,464 have sadly died.

Re: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:47 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:
dannyblue wrote:UK being the worse is presently far from correct at the moment, but yes could alter and anyone's guess.
Presently Belgium stands at 445 per million pop. And Spain just behind on 417. UK are presently on 225 and app a week behind Spain in terms of time scale. UK would need lose up to 30.000 to equal the present figures of Belgium and Spain. Let's all pray that doesn't happen.


The reason it's not up there as the worst is simple - Home/ Care deaths are not on that list - unlike France - Spain - Italy .
They take 5 days or more to be recorded - so if they are added - different storey ( Sadly ) .
But as you say - Let's all pray that doesn't happen .



no mate.. there would have to have been 16 k deaths in nursing homes for us to be the worse...

Re: UODATED: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:08 am

THE DAILY TIMES



Early errors

Epidemiologists and former public health officials say the U.K.’s strategy for combating COVID-19 was muddled—leading to delays in purchasing essential equipment and tests, mixed messages about public health practices, and a lag behind its neighbors in implementing social distancing and other restrictions. That likely allowed the virus to spread fast and undetected.

Britain’s first mistake, according to Ashton, came around the time when the coronavirus was first confirmed in England, on Jan. 31. Prime Minister Boris Johnson chose not to chair a meeting of the government’s emergency COBRA committee, leaving his health secretary Matt Hancock to do so instead. “Because Johnson didn’t chair the meeting at the beginning of February, the government missed the opportunity to see that they needed to be ready to do lots of testing, that they would need to sort out stocks for personal protection and for oxygen and other supplies,” Ashton says.

Johnson’s decision not to step in until the beginning of March was “a surprise” that allowed shortages of vital health equipment, including tests, to sneak up on the British government, says Dr. Liam Smeeth, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The mistake, he says, was that the government placed too much confidence in Britain’s scientists and doctors, without doing enough to obtain the scarce equipment they required to do their jobs. “During the Ebola outbreak, the government could say, what we need is some personal protective equipment or test kits, so let’s find a hundred million pounds and buy them,” Smeeth told TIME. “But it very rapidly became obvious in the coronavirus pandemic that this was a global problem, and therefore global supply chains just dried up. Instantly countries were competing for the supply of goods in a way that we hadn’t really seen before. I don’t think that was something people here were really prepared for.”

Still, in the early stages of the outbreak in February, Britain appeared to be coping well with identifying the infected and doing contact tracing. When the first two cases were identified in the northern city of York at the end of January, health officials put them into isolation and traced their contacts. The same was done for a man from Brighton, who had traveled to Singapore and then France before returning home and infecting four people. “The U.K. did really well with the earliest cases,” says Helen Ward, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London, whose colleagues are mathematical modelers advising the U.K. government on the spread of the disease. “I think they did a pretty good job.”

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Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:55 am

UK minister: 'All governments make mistakes'

Senior UK minister Michael Gove has conceded that the government made mistakes in its handling of the coronavirus.

He told the BBC's Andrew Marr: "All governments make mistakes, including our own. We seek to learn and to improve every day.

"It is the case, I'm sure, at some point in the future, that there will be an opportunity for us to look back, to reflect and to learn some profound lessons."

His comments come following accusations that the UK government was slow to act in preparing for the health crisis.

Re: UODATED: “ SADLY UK SET TO BE THE WORST IN EUROPE “

Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:06 pm

BREAKING

41 more deaths in Wales

Forty one more people who tested positive for coronavirus have died, taking Wales' total to 575.

The daily figure announced by Public Health Wales includes deaths in hospitals and may also include some deaths recorded in community settings like care homes.

An additional 334 people have test positive for coronanvirus, taking the total number of confirmed cases to 7,270, although the true figure is expected to be higher because not everyone is tested.