' Chairman and chief exec - tight financial constraints? '

It’s all in the media reports Wez

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-cardiff-city-actually-16241896

How much will Cardiff have earned this season?

A spell in the top flight will earn Cardiff north of £100million in broadcasting revenues this season, thanks to the lucrative nature of Premier League broadcasting rights.

West Bromwich Albion, for example, were awarded £102million in "media related income" last season for their 18th-place finish.

This season's income, for Cardiff City, will be a huge increase on last season, when the club earned £21.4million from centralised broadcasting and commercial distributions.

In winning promotion to the Premier League, Cardiff were among the most profligate clubs in the division, racking up an operating loss of £34million on revenues of £34.8million, although this figure included £23.2million worth of promotion bonuses.

How do the parachute payments work and how much will Cardiff get?

The payments are calculated based on the TV and prize money from the season in which the club are relegated: with 55 per cent of that figure handed out in the first year in the Championship, before falling to 45 per cent and 20 per cent in years two and three respectively.

However, a sticking point for Cardiff is that clubs which only spend single seasons in the Premier League before relegation are not eligible to receive the third instalment. Clubs that are promoted back to the Premier League during the parachute payment period, then they no longer receive the payments.

But, based on that formula, Cardiff can expect to receive more than £40million in parachute payments next season, which will help in cushioning the blow of relegation.

Then, should Cardiff fail to win promotion in 2019/20, the second and final parachute payment would be in the region of £35million.

Cardiff can take the case of Middlesbrough for how their finances should look next season.

Relegated in 2016/17, the club saw broadcasting revenues plummet, from £100.6million in their relegation season to £46.3million last time out.

That article is backing up what I've said, yes we got 100m in tv money but we only turn over 35 million normally we lost 34 million in 2018 when going up mainly coz of 23 million in bonuses,that 100m isn't profit its monies added to the overall turnover but you got to also take off cost which were massive

Also on this article Wez


Exactly how much Cardiff City earned in the Premier League this season

How much money the 20 clubs earned has been released

Some people thought Neil Warnock should be replaced as Cardiff City manager
The Premier League have announced how much money each side has earned from broadcast and commercial revenues this season.

Despite finishing second behind Manchester City, Liverpool received the most and collected more than £152million, while reigning Champions City earned just under £2million less.

Manchester United received just over £142m despite not qualifying for the Champions League, which was also more than Arsenal, who finished one place above the in the league table.

While at the opposite end of the table, bottom side Huddersfield received just under £97m, second-bottom Fulham collected just over £101m, and Cardiff earned more than £102m from their season in the top-flight.

The Bluebirds' exact final figure is £102,704,107.

The figures are based on the value of payments of broadcast and central commercial revenues which clubs have received for this season.



How is the money worked out?

Every single year, the Premier League’s prize money is divided equally among its 20 clubs.

Each side takes home an equal share of the £80.4million total - no matter where they finished in the league.

The rest of the prize money is decided on where your team finished and, ultimately, how well they did in comparison to their opponents.

For league positions, each side is awarded an extra £1.9million for every place they finish above the foot of the table.

Overseas TV rights are shared out equally between the 20 teams.



However, the domestic TV money is distributed differently. Half of it is shared equally (in the 2016/17 season, that was around £35million per club), a quarter is handed out based on finishing positions and the remaining quarter on what are known as facility fees.

Facility fees are at least £12million and are based on how often a side is shown on live TV. The £12million is on the basis of being selected for broadcast 10 times in a season. For each fixture over 10, an additional £1.2million is added.

A pooled commercial revenue pot pays out £5million per club.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/exactly-how-much-cardiff-city-16322300

So based on the public made figures of promotion, finishing place etc and parachute payment of 55% that’s where I got approx £260m

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Also on this article Wez


Exactly how much Cardiff City earned in the Premier League this season

How much money the 20 clubs earned has been released

Some people thought Neil Warnock should be replaced as Cardiff City manager
The Premier League have announced how much money each side has earned from broadcast and commercial revenues this season.

Despite finishing second behind Manchester City, Liverpool received the most and collected more than £152million, while reigning Champions City earned just under £2million less.

Manchester United received just over £142m despite not qualifying for the Champions League, which was also more than Arsenal, who finished one place above the in the league table.

While at the opposite end of the table, bottom side Huddersfield received just under £97m, second-bottom Fulham collected just over £101m, and Cardiff earned more than £102m from their season in the top-flight.

The Bluebirds' exact final figure is £102,704,107.

The figures are based on the value of payments of broadcast and central commercial revenues which clubs have received for this season.

Here is the full table

How is the money worked out?

Every single year, the Premier League’s prize money is divided equally among its 20 clubs.

Each side takes home an equal share of the £80.4million total - no matter where they finished in the league.

The rest of the prize money is decided on where your team finished and, ultimately, how well they did in comparison to their opponents.

For league positions, each side is awarded an extra £1.9million for every place they finish above the foot of the table.

Overseas TV rights are shared out equally between the 20 teams.


(Image: Tom Martin/Wales News Service)
However, the domestic TV money is distributed differently. Half of it is shared equally (in the 2016/17 season, that was around £35million per club), a quarter is handed out based on finishing positions and the remaining quarter on what are known as facility fees.

Facility fees are at least £12million and are based on how often a side is shown on live TV. The £12million is on the basis of being selected for broadcast 10 times in a season. For each fixture over 10, an additional £1.2million is added.

A pooled commercial revenue pot pays out £5million per club.

So based on the public made figures of promotion, finishing place etc and parachute payment of 55% that’s where I got approx £260m

55% of 100 million is 55million mate so add 55m parachute to the 100million tv money is 155 million over 2 seasons not 260 million not I dont know where you are getting 260 million from it doesnt add up

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102 mill nice

The above is not the total amount Cardiff earned as parachute payments, merchandise, gate revenue etc

Cardiff received £160 mill last Oct

If you want to progress as a top class football club and be taken seriously nationally and internationally you have to retain PL status

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Gareth Hughes:

25000 season ticket holders and gate receipts from 31000 average would have bought in 10 million or so plus sales of merchandise would have bought in close to 5 million in my estimates.

Cardiff received £160 mill last Oct

102m tv money plus 58 million other income then ie gate receipts, sponsorship,premier seating, bars,if the 160 million figure is true then ? Take off our costs and we should of made a profit for once ,I dony think it's as big as people think tho

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

Good to hear they want the average age to drop, makes Flint an even more of a disaster of a signing.

hopefully, younger players, more pace and a new style...seems unlikely under Harris.

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You are not reading the accounts right we lost 34 million means we lost that money after all our income receipts ,have you ever done profit and loss accounts ?

Last edited by wez1927 on Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone if there is nothing left

Last edited by snoopystorm on Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone if there is nothing left

When you get promoted you dont get 100million pound cash and then get another 100million in tv money from the premier league, it doesnt work like that so you are 100million out on your figures

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

How can you say lose 34m??

Income - 34.8m
Exp. 34m
Profit. .8m

That’s on available figures....

That doesn’t include gate sales, shirt sales or any other income.

Done arguing, you think you’re right and nobody else can have a say... crack on think what you want, at the end of the day there is money available and the figures are out there in the public domain to see. Financial restraints my arse, next bit of bullsh!t will be FFFP

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

How can you say lose 34m??

Income - 34.8m
Exp. 34m
Profit. .8m

That’s on available figures....

That doesn’t include gate sales, shirt sales or any other income.

Done arguing, you think you’re right and nobody else can have a say... crack on think what you want, at the end of the day there is money available and the figures are out there in the public domain to see. Financial restraints my arse, next bit of bullsh!t will be FFFP

Because we lost 34 million ffs you are reading it wrong ,we did not make a 8 million profit ,you are making it up how the f**k can you turn over 35 million in that you have to pay the wage bill and over costs and then pay 23 million out in bonuses you are totally wrong

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

How can you say lose 34m??

Income - 34.8m
Exp. 34m
Profit. .8m

That’s on available figures....

That doesn’t include gate sales, shirt sales or any other income.

Done arguing, you think you’re right and nobody else can have a say... crack on think what you want, at the end of the day there is money available and the figures are out there in the public domain to see. Financial restraints my arse, next bit of bullsh!t will be FFFP

you like your articles heres one for you ,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... l/47344382

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

How can you say lose 34m??

Income - 34.8m
Exp. 34m
Profit. .8m

That’s on available figures....

That doesn’t include gate sales, shirt sales or any other income.

Done arguing, you think you’re right and nobody else can have a say... crack on think what you want, at the end of the day there is money available and the figures are out there in the public domain to see. Financial restraints my arse, next bit of bullsh!t will be FFFP

Because we lost 34 million ffs you are reading it wrong ,we did not make a 8 million profit ,you are making it up how the f**k can you turn over 35 million in that you have to pay the wage bill and over costs and then pay 23 million out in bonuses you are totally wrong

Taken from one of the articles I posted on page 1:

In winning promotion to the Premier League, Cardiff were among the most profligate clubs in the division, racking up an operating loss of £34million on revenues of £34.8million, although this figure included £23.2million worth of promotion bonuses.

Loss /expe 34mill
Rev/income 34.8mil

23.2mill Bonuses was included in the 34.8mil figure

Now when I went to school 34.8 minus 34.0 resulted in a positive 0.8 so that would be a profit.

That’s in black and white and out in the public domain.

This hasn’t taken into account any financial info prior to promotion, like I said I know the clubs in debt, I’ve never disputed that

Slade number 2 is spot on,absolutely no difference between the two,neither ever have or ever will be winners.

There's a pattern.
Malky Ole money to spend.Slade/Trollope cost cutting.
Warnock money to spend .Harris cost cutting.
A shambles of a club,
Tan is clueless on how to keep a team in the Premier league.
Burnley Sheff utd and Bournemouth have done it.

Snoopy I will put it in to terms you may understand, if your turnover/income is 35 million ,and you lose 34 million it means you spent out 34 million more than you recieved in income, that's why it's called a loss,on your figures you are claiming we made a profit of 800k you are 100% wrong ,you are either just on a wind up with me or you cant count

Snoopy I will put it in to terms you may understand, if your turnover/income is 35 million ,and you lose 34 million it means you spent out 34 million more than you recieved in income, that's why it's called a loss,on your figures you are claiming we made a profit of 800k you are 100% wrong ,you are either just on a wind up with me or you cant count

Not on a wind up and can count or me tax man would be questioning my own finances....

The way it is written in the public domain is how it’s written 34 mil paid out on a 34.8mill income which includes 23.2mill bonuses....

How can I be 100% wrong on understanding what is written and basic maths... it’s expenditure which is a loss, it’s not profit if you spend it....

For example a company has 20k income, registers 15k loss for purchase of a van that gives the company 5k profit.... now if the company earned 20k, registers a loss of 25k for a Van then it is operating at a -5k loss

The way you have worded it suggest the income was 34.8 mil and expenditure was 69mil... that’s not what has been written

Snoopy I will put it in to terms you may understand, if your turnover/income is 35 million ,and you lose 34 million it means you spent out 34 million more than you recieved in income, that's why it's called a loss,on your figures you are claiming we made a profit of 800k you are 100% wrong ,you are either just on a wind up with me or you cant count

Not on a wind up and can count or me tax man would be questioning my own finances....

The way it is written in the public domain is how it’s written 34 mil paid out on a 34.8mill income which includes 23.2mill bonuses....

How can I be 100% wrong on understanding what is written and basic maths... it’s expenditure which is a loss, it’s not profit if you spend it....

For example a company has 20k income, registers 15k loss for purchase of a van that gives the company 5k profit.... now if the company earned 20k, registers a loss of 25k for a Van then it is operating at a -5k loss

It's not, we recieved 35 million in monies that season and paid out 34 million more than we received that's why we lost 34 million ,this is basic stuff ,for argument sake if we received 35 million and paid out 35 million we would be even yes ? If we recieved 35 million and paid out 34 million ,theres 1 million left which would be profit yes ? ,going back to the promotion season our wage bill alone was 31 million are you really trying to day that all our other cost were only 4 million ? , we had to pay out 23 million in promotion bonuses hence why we lost so much money that season

Concentrate on the youth and let's start creating talent instead of buying mediocre crap

its what the fans want..
they are not good enough or certainly there are not enough good enough..and we have never produced enough good player to maintain the level we are at.. its a bullshit statement.

The 102 mil was a mix of finishing spot, commercial and tv deals I think it says that in the articles

Yes it's the payment from the premier league which includes are the tv rights ,still dont understand how you got 260 million ? Or did you get that wrong ?

100mill promotion
102mill PL
57mill (55% of 102)

260mill who’s gonna argue over 1mill

Overheads from promotion season

34mill

Income

34.8mill

Profit .8mill

You have got it totally wrong you dont get 100 million for promotion and 100 tv money,

We had £100mil when we went up, so did Fulham, they blew through theirs we didn’t....

My point is in 2 seasons we’ve had nearly 260mil and the club come out with the bullsh!t of finances are tight, as fans we have the right to call bullsh!t and question where the 260mill plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc etc has gone I’d there is nothing left

No we didn't ffs mate it's worth 100million coz of the 100million tv money minimum,we did not have the cash you are 100% wrong

Ok then.... for arguments sake they earned 50mil going up that’s still 210mill minimum... plus gate sales, shirt sales etc etc so where has it all gone, wages and overheads are nowhere near that, all players would have had a relegation clause as well as a promotion clause to drop the wage bill, if they didn’t then that’s poor contract management by NW, MD and KC. There should still be monies available for transfers even if it was 15mill... like I said earlier letting 2 players go we could have taken a cut price on is just poor business and doesn’t make any sense at all

I think you are on a wind up you ain't got a clue ,we lost 34 million the season we went up ffs we did not make a profit ,then the season in the premiership we got 102 million in tv money plus our other income your figures are pure fantasy

How can you say lose 34m??

Income - 34.8m
Exp. 34m
Profit. .8m

That’s on available figures....

That doesn’t include gate sales, shirt sales or any other income.

Done arguing, you think you’re right and nobody else can have a say... crack on think what you want, at the end of the day there is money available and the figures are out there in the public domain to see. Financial restraints my arse, next bit of bullsh!t will be FFFP

Because we lost 34 million ffs you are reading it wrong ,we did not make a 8 million profit ,you are making it up how the f**k can you turn over 35 million in that you have to pay the wage bill and over costs and then pay 23 million out in bonuses you are totally wrong

who got these 23 mill in promotion bonuses..TWENTY THREE MILLION.